• ztwhixsemhwldvka@lemmy.world
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    That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer’s cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there.

    George Orwell

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      It’s changing its meaning. Once military robots become useful a rifle in the hand of the population becomes useless.

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        It’s as you say, it is changing its meaning. We don’t live in rural homesteads anymore. There is a rapid and professional response that will neutralise any armed unrest in its infancy.

        On the other hand, mass strikes will cripple industries and commerce, though the latest ruling class seems to be heavily insulated against the knock on effects of such strikes.

        I really don’t know what the way forward for progress is.

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          I really don’t know what the way forward for progress is.

          Sure you do. They didn’t go after Luigi so hard because they were scared of armed conflict. They did it because he clearly demonstrated (allegedly) that you don’t have to fight the whole system, just a few at the top.

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            Gated communities take care of the risks. Besides, the CEO is just a replacable employee. A risk of death just increases their pay a bit, but not by much, as soldiers show.

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            clearly demonstrated (allegedly) that you don’t have to fight the whole system, just a few at the top.

            He did no such thing and the statement is demonstrably wrong. The dead person on top will just be replaced with another person. These people are as replaceable as people on bottom.

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              If you go one at a time sure. It wasn’t the one thay freaked them out though. It was the idea of many following. The thing about the top is its significantly smaller than the bottom.

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                You are making an argument for me. They ARE scared they might be next in line. And that is all they are afraid for - their own skin. They don’t give a fuck about other people or “the system”

                When killed, they will just get replaced, it is not going to move “the system” an inch in any direction.

                Or was the system moved by luigi’s act? What exactly do you think have changed?

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                  I really don’t get how you are missing this. You just said it again. Act. Singular. I’m saying 10,000 such acts. A day.

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                    I suggest you go back and read what is being discussed.

                    They did it because he clearly demonstrated (allegedly) that you don’t have to fight the whole system, just a few at the top.

                    Skip over the “clearly allegedly” part of the joke and explain to me where do you see the line between fighting the whole system and just a few on top.

                    Then explain on which side of that line does “10 thousand acts a day” lie…

                    Or just say “oops, i didn’t think this through” and move on. Your choice.

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                The person i am talking to. If you want to enter conversation you are not part of, reading it before replying might be good start.

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          The real difference between left and right gun owners is visible in the amount of terrorism they are categorized in the USA. There’s some gun violence from left leaning individuals and then a mountain from right wing. As well, those robots, still can be destroyed with firearms. They also have human operators or support staff to keep them running. It’s like a tank, best way to disable it is to get at its support structure.