Reminder: Hyundai motor company donated $1 million to the orange MAGAt king’s inauguration.
name a car maker that has not contributed to MAGA. That’s how business is done in US.
Companies always have a choice, and the choices that we do know about should be highlighted.
Do you have a citation for this claim?
FEC Form 13 filing that lists all donors: https://docquery.fec.gov/cgi-bin/forms/C00894162/1889684/f132
“HYUNDAI MOTOR AMERICA” is listed as having donated “$1000000.00” on 2025-01-06.
There are a lot of other companies that donated similar amounts to which people should pay attention.
Ford, Toyota, Caterpiller, FCA, GM…so why focus on Hyundai? GM also donated $1M.
so why focus on Hyundai?
- From my comment that you replied to:
There are a lot of other companies that donated similar amounts to which people should pay attention.
- Highlighting a fact about Hyundai, to the crowd who is quite likely to care about such things, in a post about Hyundai.
worth noting, Hyundai is also classified as a war profiteer in both Ukraine and Palestine. you will find me in another comment praising the Ioniq 5. This is in contrast to Tesla, bear in mind
they don’t sell as well in Australia because, well, we have lots of competition I guess.
Their most recent OTA update also allows you to disable location sharing, presumably to conform to California law.
Any idea if this is true outside the US?
Just cover up the sharkfin with aluminum tape.
I would definitely have gone for an Ioniq 5 as well if money was not a question. But at the end of the day, the Ioniq 5 was overkill for my use case so I ended up going for a used Hyundai Kona. Still very happy with my choice, even if I would’ve loved an Ioniq 5. But it did save me like 60.000 DKK.
Same here. I tried a couple Ioniqs and some KIA’s. Went with a 2024 Kona. It’s been great!
I have an Ioniq 5. It’s great. Highly recommended.
I’ll look into it when they unfuck the interior.
Those are pretty sweet. Was looking at those before I bought its cousin the Kia EV6. Best vehicle I’ve ever owned.
Even with the iccu ?
They offer 15 years of warranty for that part, I wouldn’t worry about it.
Yeah. Only issue is waiting time. You can be without a car for a long time while waiting for replacement part.
You have to make sure to stick to the service intervals and that a used one had all services Döner in time, if you plan to buy one. A few hundred miles over the service and the guarantee will be void.
Hmm… kebab…
There shouldn’t be much to service, no?
I think this is what “want an EV, research it heavily” folks tend to end up with, where Teslas leans more “want an EV, don’t research it quite as heavily” crowd.
Not that either brand makes bad cars.
I just mean the Hyundai/Kia EVs are less “sexy” on the surface. Their charge and range is lower, but if you look into it, it’s an engineering compromise for faster charging. Hyundai isn’t a very “glamorous” brand, but their recent cars have been excellent, and if you actually look into Tesla, well… gestures at X. Lower end Teslas are priced somewhat attractively and tend to have better resale value than Hyundai at the moment, and it’s quite rational to assume “well, they’ve been making EVs longer.” But if you research it, Teslas have a more hidden costs over time, and even though some systems like the heatpumps are less refined than Teslas, Hyundai engineered the heck out of the car.
The only downside I know of with the Hyundai is that their single pedal driving controller interprets US law about braking strictly and does not turn on the brake lights unless you dump the pedal, engaging the brake rotors. So either just don’t use single pedal driving mode, or have faith that US drivers don’t drive distracted (this is an endorsement for not using Hyundai’s single pedal driving mode btw)
This is the snail pace of the NTHSA, made worse by Musk cuts. Also why headlights are dangerously blinding.
Motorcycles have a helmet brake light that works off a g-sensor.
I was behind a Tesla that stopped at a red light from ~40mph and the brake lights didn’t turn on until about 10 seconds after we had come to a complete stop. One pedal driving is broken in basically all of them.
It’s also not “necessary” for regen braking depending on your car. Early EVs (and AFAIK) current Teslas do not blend regen braking with the regular brakes, so you needed to use one pedal driving to get the most range. Modern, well made EVs blend the regen braking with conventional brakes on the same pedal, so you don’t have to use one pedal driving mode to get the most range.
noted!
My wife’s Ioniq 6 turns on the brake lights when it is doing regeneration braking, so you are misinformed (unless it is a recent change; hers is a 2025). I can’t imagine that your version has ever been true, though.
that’s great news! it looks like they started fixing this in 2023
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0YW7x9U5TQ
here’s some context
Also their failing ICCUs. They keep trying to fix it, but people keep reporting it’s not fully solved.
so let’s ignore the 15 year warranty in that comment. List of US manufacturers that give 15 year warranties on any part:
-End of list-
Do you want to go out on road trip or just have your car randomly die and be unavailable for days? The warranty is great, but its still a problem.
Edit: the warranty is there because it is a problem, not because they’re being a great company and deciding to offer 15y on a part.
This is a feature to maximize EV resale value by getting you a big cash settlement when someone rear ends you.
I bought one last year and it’s been a delight.
I have many complaints about it and they’re all incredibly petty.
Man I love mine but I do have a lot of complaints. Like a bunch of things that just don’t make any sense, like the doors unlock when you walk up but don’t lock when you walk away? You also can’t lock the doors using the door buttons if you want to lock and walk away, so fucking annoying. There’s a lot of small things, but it charges so fast and it’s so nice inside.
You can disable the “unlock on approach” in the settings. I did on mine because that annoyed me the same way.
I also turned off lock when walking away. Sometimes I just forget something and have to run back for it…
Car now only locks or unlocks if I push buttons on the fob. That’s what I prefer!
Hey bruh, you wanna skip forward a song on this playlist? Toggle down on the steering wheel control.
You. Dirty. Mother. Fucker.
This kinda makes sense because you’re going down in the playlist… But other cars use left and right 🤷
Yeah, the raining becomes for apartment when you’re in the SiriusXM channel list. Higher numbered channels are down the list.
This bugs me a bit too, but only that much.
I think what bugs me more is that the audio controls are on the right of the steering wheel. My older Kia, and my Mazda, have them on the left which makes more sense to me since you have audio control available with both hands (one on steering wheel and one on dash) instead of both on the right. But, again small potatoes.
Hyundais other cars use up. Even their other brands like Kia use up. It makes no sense.
Up makes less sense to me. If I’m going to the next item, why would I be going up? Next should be either down or right, consistent with how we read in English (to the right, then down) and consistent with playlists in media player apps (and YouTube, etc)
I guess using up for next is so it’s consistent with volume, where up actually makes sense?
Media players have always used left for previous track and right for next track, so it’s frustrating when UI designs try to change that.
These kind of little things, plus the iccu and driver awareness sensor on 2025+ is what made me buy a '25 Mach E instead. They each have their quirks and the I5 is a better car on paper, but the Mach E is better in practice. I’ll take a reliable ICCU, more sensical battery preconditioning, and driver profiles over the 800V architecture that DC charges slightly faster.
And it locks the doors when you walk away like you mentioned. It’s the little things.
Got a 23 MME with “Slower” fast charging. Still works great. I would not pay extra for even faster charging, since 99.99% of my charging happens on level 1 AC. Taking a 20-30 minute break after 2 hrs of driving is pretty nice. Battery mandated piss/lunch/walking breaks are not the hassle I thought they would be.
I want an EV and I like Hyundais (having owned one in the past), but reading comments like these reminds me that having a “modern” computerized car would drive me nuts. And that’s on top of the surveillance and lack of right to repair being deal-breakers.
I wish that all car manufacturers would start using UWB technology with their keys. It lets the car detect the physical location of the key, accurate to within 10 centimeters (4 inches).
This allows for very accurate automatic lock and unlock, and is essentially completely immune to relay and replay attacks. Even if the car receives an unlock signal, it won’t actually unlock unless the key is also physically close to the car.
It also lets you use your phone as a key with the same automatic lock and unlock features, as long as it supports UWB, like the Pixel Pro, Galaxy Plus and Ultra series, and iPhones excluding the SE.
Pretty sure the Ioniq does use uwb. You can use your phone to unlock in other countries. Idk why it doesn’t work here. And with the keyfob backup it does know where the key was.
Huh, I didn’t know that.
I’d like to see all cars use UWB though, even low-end ICE ones. Some people want a new car but can only afford low-end models, and they should be able to get the same security and key functionality as on higher-end models.
Or just bring back metal keys and drop the insta steal bullshit.
What do you mean you can’t lock using the door buttons and walk away? What happens?
They immediately unlock again. Or the button does nothing. I forget exactly. Basically, it’s impossible to lock the key in the car. I imagine that’s the logic.
As far as not locking when you walk away from the car, I have no idea. There is a 3rd party device to fix that though. I installed mine in about 20min, and I was being very carefully methodical with every step. It’s easy.
But you can still close the tailgate just fine with your keys in the truck. And guess what, the car will just unlock itself. So clearly they already have a solution.
So many contradictions in this damn car.
Also, doesn’t that device cause other issues? I’ve thought about getting it but didn’t like the compromises. Don’t remember what they were though.
I installed it in mine. What other issues? I have a 2025 N-Line and it’s been fine.
Never had any problems, been working perfectly. Close all the doors, walk away with the key, 10sec later the doors lock. Unlocks again as you’d expect.
What year and what country? USA versions are missing a ton of features from other countries.
I’m in the US. 2025
Was referring to the 3rd party doorlocker.
Or do you mean it messes with features other countries have, that we don’t?
That’s ridiculous! Mine doesn’t do that with either the fob or digital key. Once I lock it I need to walk a ways away before a proximity unlock. I have a 2026. If you yeet the keys away and use the door lock I assume it stays locked?
I’d removed at the dealership if mine did that!
Walk up to your car. Doors unlock. Open door and hit the lock button. Nothing with happen. The door lock buttons on the inside do absolutely nothing unless the key is inside of the car. It’s insanity. Like, what if I realize I didn’t lock my car and I’m outside without my keys. I have to go back into the house, get the keys, then come out and lock the car. You can’t just open the fucking die and hit the lock buttons. It’s fucking stupid.
…looks in rear view mirror at the lack of rear wiper…
I think they added it in the 2025 model. It’s definitely there on my 2026!
I have an EV6.
Those paddle shifters are so annoying! You want to accelerate slowly to drive your grandma around? You better hope she likes stiff braking! What’s that, you want sporty responsive acceleration? Better combine it with an anemic brake response! Who tf came up with this?
No complaints about the adaptive cruise control and lane centering, though. Best I’ve ever used.
No worry about the iccu?
It got an update in fall of 2024 that is supposed to fix it. Hasn’t been a problem so far.
Real Subaru ‘we fixed the head gaskets, for real this time’ vibes
Subaru never offered 15 year warranty on their head gaskets.
The update in this case was software. It reduces the charging rate and runs fans during charging to lower the temperature the ICCU has to endure. I bought my car in early 2025 with the update in place and never ran the ICCU at the older, higher temperature. I suspect that a fix like that wouldn’t help anyone who had already baked theirs for months or years.
I did too. Then my iccu failed 4 months later.
With 15 year warranty, you forgot that part.
I have no doubt that they’ll replace it every time it pops for the next 15 years.
Sure. It was at the dealer for 2+ months.
But I’ve also heard they take a long time to complete the repairs
Did you have the car before the update? Or did you buy it new with the update in place?
I nearly got an Ioniq 5 as our second car, but ended up getting a BMW i4 instead. I was very impressed with the Ioniq 5 - it’s a fantastic car. We already had an iX though, andI figured it’d be best to stick to something with the same UI. I’m mostly a frontend developer and UI quirks really get to me, so I’d rather just deal with one set of quirks.
over 4 years on a BMW is a bad time. Rental cars.
Getting a 2t 800v road trip adept EV as a “second car” is a massive flex holy fuck
How’s the i4 (and iX) been? Any complaints or issues?
They’re both very nice cars! No complaints.
The i4 is great because it looks like a regular car. It’s literally just a 4 series grand coupe with an electric drivetrain. No gimmicks, no “the car needs to look futuristic” approach that so many manufacturers take with their EVs. The door handles are regular mechanical door handles.
The iX is… not exactly the opposite, but close enough. My understanding it that it was a concept car that BMW ended up releasing publicly. It’s got an expensive electrochromic glass roof that you can switch between clear and frosted by pressing a button. It’s got flush, electronic door handles. It’s got a carbon fiber chassis. Things like that.
The iX is extremely comfortable for back seat passengers, as the back of the car is huge!
Everything the i4 can do, the iX can do at least a bit better. For example:
- i4 can do hands-free highway driving up to 40mph, whereas the iX does it up to 85mph.
- Both have options for parking and 360 cameras, but the cameras on the iX are noticeably higher resolution.
- i4 has air suspension for the back, whereas iX has air suspension for all four wheels.
- They’re both great to drive, but the iX is smoother and quieter. The cabin is extremely quiet even at highway speeds.
The i4 is a lot cheaper though. I’m leasing both, and the i4 is less than half the price of the iX. I’m in the USA and we’re paying $812/month plus tax for the iX, and $394/month plus tax for the i4, thanks to a combination of rebates, BMW loyalty discount (for the i4), and a 10% discount off MSRP.
We custom ordered the iX. It took a few months, but we could get exactly the options we wanted. It doesn’t cost any extra to get a custom-built one compared to getting one from a dealer’s lot.
Unfortunately, the iX has been discontinued in the USA. They cut off custom orders a few months ago, and dealers don’t have many left. Rumor is that tariffs made it cost too much to import into the USA. The iX5 is supposed to replace it, but it’s not coming out until next year.
This is a great response. Thanks for taking the time to write it. I too was more interested in the i4 since it’s “normal” looking as opposed to every other EV that someone decided need to look futuristic or like a spaceship, etc. Just wanted to make sure no real issues had cropped up, etc. All the reviews seem pretty positive overall of it. Driving it felt…mostly normal, though the B mode would take a long time to get used to.
I am surprised you got that price on an i4 too. If I could get that I’d debate going new but at this point it seems used is the best bet (and that is a stretch.)
Doesn’t the i4 have a footwell hump in the back? That’s my main complaint about cars that aren’t bottom up EVs.
It does, and the back is pretty small. I don’t usually have passengers though. We use the iX when travelling with passengers.
hands free at 85 is some scary shit
I don’t use it quite that fast, but it works very well. It has radar and ultrasonic sensors in addition to cameras, and you can only use it on routes they’ve mapped out (in the USA that’s most of the highways), so I’d trust it more than Tesla.
for sure better than tesla
probably better than most humans
but all code has bugs, still scary
Test-drove one when I was looking for an EV. Nice car but the turning radius is ridiculously large, which along with the general size of the car made me go for a Kia EV3 instead. I guess those points wouldn’t be much of an issue on American roads though.
We nearly bought one as well but went for an EV6 instead (which is basically the same car in a different shell), in the UK. The turning circle was definitely a concern but honestly has been fine.
It’s selling even better than Cybertruck?
is anyone that is not spacex actually buying cybertrucks?
I noticed the cybertrucks trucks disappearing in my area.
They are sitting on used lots not selling. Write-off vehicles.
Along with fellow humans giving CT drivers the bird and snarky notes under their one dumb windshield wiper, they’re also just… not very good vehicles. The steering is vague, the acceleration is ass because the vehicle is so heavy, and they get the gremlins if they get wet and they weren’t set to car wash mode. So some drivers are going to be quietly trying to trade them in for shame, and some are going to be perpetually in the shop getting fixes for problems they never should have been allowed to have in the first place
The N variant is a beast
too bad it’s got those LED headlights. zero interest in that shit
I mean that’s by far the coolest looking shit on the whole car but you do you boo.
incredibly dangerous and rude though.
