just to be a pedantic ass: the “end stage” of capitalism is still capitalism. it’s like the end stage of cancer is still called cancer; we need to continue to reference the fact that capitalism is destroying all it touches.
new phrases or labels only cleave attention spans in a world already designed (by capitalism) to have no focus.
I don’t think it still counts as capitalism when it’s no longer a market economy. We get all our goods from an oligopoly that fixes prices like a cartel, only for all goods and services that consumers buy.
It’s like when the body in question is more cancer than it is healthy tissue, the system doesn’t come close to behaving like its prior iterations.
The only step from here is collapse into war and famine.
no it wasn’t, at least according to marx, who they claimed to follow
the stage BEFORE communism was the dictatorship of the proletariat, which they decided was extended, and they were representing the will of the people
so it actually never got to communism
There is no “end stage” communism or capitalism that fits their own purity tests; they are both ideals that we haven’t managed to accomplish as a society, ever.
So, as far as humanity is concerned, what results in the attempt to reach that ideal is communism/capitalism as we know it (not as we imagine it will be at some point in future).
All forms of larger scale attempts at communism ends with dictatorship. There is no other practical way to enforce the “correct way” of existing within the human species. Correct according to who? Religion is pretty similar to communism in that way. There is either a God/king that expresses what you are allowed to do, or a written text that is followed at the moral guideline.
Aside from the deliberate efforts by the west to destabilize any socialist or communist movements, staged coups to overthrow democratically elected leaders, and rampant pro capitalist/anti communist propaganda, a much better large scale similarity would be to the wildly successful open source movement where the product/service is free to use (moneyless), contribute to (classless), and owned in commons (by and for the proletariat).
I do agree that web 1.0 and the 1960-80 computer science field was a great example of classless movements. But they didn’t come from communistic societies.
You are talking about capitalism, you mean… they are talking about communism. Nice attempt to control the conversation while admonishing another for attempting to control the conversation, that’s funny, you win a cookie.
p.s. this is not a one-topic-only discussion, even if you want it to be.
just to be a pedantic ass: the “end stage” of capitalism is still capitalism. it’s like the end stage of cancer is still called cancer; we need to continue to reference the fact that capitalism is destroying all it touches.
new phrases or labels only cleave attention spans in a world already designed (by capitalism) to have no focus.
It’s like the terrible “it’s not technically pedophilia, it’s…” arguments
I don’t think it still counts as capitalism when it’s no longer a market economy. We get all our goods from an oligopoly that fixes prices like a cartel, only for all goods and services that consumers buy.
It’s like when the body in question is more cancer than it is healthy tissue, the system doesn’t come close to behaving like its prior iterations.
The only step from here is collapse into war and famine.
Then the end stage of communism, is communism.
What Stalin did, is the end of communism. What followed was the decline and lack of innovation.
Yes, that’s why anarchism.
Thats just even more fucked up libertarianism.
Ah I see, you are American. Sorry for your circumstances.
Nope. Just blessed with the ability to summarize ideologies in a succinct fashion.
Pack it up, friends. Teslasaur has defeated hundreds of years of anarchist political theory, it’s all over for us.
If by " summarize ideologies in a succinct fashion" you mean “be completely wrong and lack any understanding of the ideology” the sure.
The shorthand of “libertarianism, but even more ludicrous” sums it up well.
Cool, so you’re just ignorant and proudly so. Gotcha.
no it wasn’t, at least according to marx, who they claimed to follow
the stage BEFORE communism was the dictatorship of the proletariat, which they decided was extended, and they were representing the will of the people
so it actually never got to communism
But it did… and that’s the joke.
There is no “end stage” communism or capitalism that fits their own purity tests; they are both ideals that we haven’t managed to accomplish as a society, ever.
So, as far as humanity is concerned, what results in the attempt to reach that ideal is communism/capitalism as we know it (not as we imagine it will be at some point in future).
All forms of larger scale attempts at communism ends with dictatorship. There is no other practical way to enforce the “correct way” of existing within the human species. Correct according to who? Religion is pretty similar to communism in that way. There is either a God/king that expresses what you are allowed to do, or a written text that is followed at the moral guideline.
Aside from the deliberate efforts by the west to destabilize any socialist or communist movements, staged coups to overthrow democratically elected leaders, and rampant pro capitalist/anti communist propaganda, a much better large scale similarity would be to the wildly successful open source movement where the product/service is free to use (moneyless), contribute to (classless), and owned in commons (by and for the proletariat).
There is no need to smear communistic movements. They manage so well on their own.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Leap_Forward
https://www.levandehistoria.se/english/learn-and-teach/crimes-against-humanity-under-communist-regimes-research-review
I do agree that web 1.0 and the 1960-80 computer science field was a great example of classless movements. But they didn’t come from communistic societies.
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No? Not even a little bit.
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You are talking about capitalism, you mean… they are talking about communism. Nice attempt to control the conversation while admonishing another for attempting to control the conversation, that’s funny, you win a cookie.
p.s. this is not a one-topic-only discussion, even if you want it to be.
Thanks for your incredibly valuable input of nothing.
sure. so why not call it what it is?