• woodenghost [comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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      You’re right, fascism is an unstable death cult, but she’s also right: the fascist phase of capitalism stabilizes the economy and the whole system. That’s the dialectics of it. Fascism isn’t stable, because it doesn’t solve the crisis tendencies like communism does. But it does have a mid term stabilizing effect by delaying the crisis:

      • A huge amount of value gets destroyed in fascists wars mitigating the crisis of overproduction. (That’s the main stabilizing factor)
      • Patriarchy gets reinforced in reaction to the crisis of reproduction of labor power.
      • Unions are destroyed, labor gets disciplined, burgoise democracy gets dismantled, enabling increased exploitation in reaction to the tendency of the rate of profit to fall. (That’s the main motivation for capitalists. They inevitably turn to fascism, when profits can’t be stabilized within burgoise democracy.)
      • All the crisis raise the consciousness of people, which, in combination with organizing, leads to the looming threat of communism. Fascism kills all communist sympathizers first thing after taking power, effectively neutralizing this threat. That’s stabilizing too.

      After fascism: the value is still destroyed, the economy booms from rebuilding, restrictive labor laws aren’t repealed, fascist officials remain in power, fascist values stay ingrained, communists stay dead.

      Just look at Germany. It all played out after the war. The “economic miracle” during rebuilding. General strikes and political strikes are still illegal, Germans are still incredibly racist, Nazis lived long, happy lives in positions of power, new Nazi parties are being build up by intelligence agencies, communist orgs had to start from zero and they are often illegalized, communists are continuously prosecuted from the party bans after the war to the employment bans in the 70s to the imperialist crack down on free speach now.

      Fascism needs to be fought and stamped out before it comes to power. If it’s already in power (like in the US) it needs to be fought all the more. China won’t save a people who aren’t willing to save themselves.

    • Literally every single Marxist theory of fascism emphasizes that it’s a reaction to capitalism in crisis. That the regimes themselves are obviously unstable does not change that they are invariably superseded by a capitalist successor state that utilizes the destruction wrought by fascism. The DDR was literally the only exception to that and that only happened due to direct occupation by the USSR.

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        What slice of America is too stupid to become anti-fascist by this point but will suddenly understand if Trump violates another election norm? Americans are constantly looking for an excuse to not do anything, there being a fascist government is likely going to get “can’t do anything; fascist government – maybe china or canada will save us”.

        The rhetorical advantage OP here thought the left in the USA would get would be completely nullified by the insane censorship that would soon follow. One is not going to be pwning the libs on Bluesky into becoming anti-fascist when elections get cancelled.

        Outside of the US, IDK. Seems like the only way for anyone outside the US to understand how evil it is isn’t by argument or evidence but by the on-going trumpian fascist spectacle playing out. So IDK, maybe countries like Spain, Mexico, France, Ireland, Australia, etc. might finally distance themselves from the US more solidly if Trump 3 happens.