The provenance sounds good but something about all the hype around watching this super closeup of a clearly ND person rubs me the wrong way.
Idk maybe that’s the “point” of the documentary but feels exploitative. Like afaik fielder is not a serious documentarian, he makes social commentary x comedy stuff. I’ll see what people say once the hype dies down but yeah… something about it just
I think my compassion is better spent on the thousands of people she medically defrauded with fake blood test results. To be honest, I think it’s condescending to other neurodivergent people to use that as any sort of a excuse for the shit she pulled.
Thankyou. As someone who has actually been actually diagnosed with actual autism and ADHD, it fucks me right off when people act like total cunts then claim it’s because of either of those conditions, just as much as it does when they claim it’s because of their starsign. Her acts were hers alone, not mine.
Not as an excuse. She’s going to prison for defrauding people. But like the entertainment aspect of it icks me. I just feel like if I go to the theatre I’m going to be sitting next to a person who just bought a ticket to watch the funny cringy lady twist under the gaze of the cameras.
watching this super closeup of a clearly ND person rubs me the wrong way.
It is fair game to expose the manner in which this neurodivergent person is dangerous to others, and warn the world about her, with specifics. Even if it hinges on an intimate look at the details.
Anyway, the story isn’t the point. It’s how it’s made so entertaining that irks me.
The cringe humor is completely intertwined with her methods of deception, though. The exact same way that neurotypicals will often self censor so as to not be rude or make things awkward turns into a vulnerability, a vector for her style of ultra-sincere deception.
So introducing a neurodivergent comedian who doesn’t have that self-censorship instinct turns the awkwardness on itself and shows us something genuinely new about the subject. And it’s funny in the same way that the most cringeworthy comedy is funny, but that still serves an important non-comedic purpose in this film.
I have. It was pretty gonzo, but that’s clearly a character. I meant serious as in like sincere, not on terms of the quality of the entertainment (which is very very high).
Oh I think Fielder was more sincere in season 2 of The Rehearsal than you might be attributing here.
I dunno, I think that he’s been getting more and more serious/sincere with each project he’s done. I can’t comment on this doc quite yet as I’m seeing it tomorrow, but I expect to be impressed either way.
Apparently the super close up thing is kind of the co-director’s calling card for all of his documentaries.
Also pretty sure Nathan Fielder is ND. If not he’s a hell of an actor. I don’t know if you saw The Curse or the Rehearsal, but he’s a lot deeper than just comedy.
I think that’s an incredibility compassionate take, and for that I instantly and unconditionally love you.
I think compassionate people tend to trip on something, and I think you’re tripping on it right now. I think other people trip in the opposite direction. Let me explain:
When you watch a nature doc where a lion hunts some poor baby antelope, maybe you’re rooting for the antelope. It just wants to live. But the lion has to eat. It’s incompatible. Just to be a dick I always say to my wife “think of the the baby lions that’ll starve if the lion doesn’t catch an antelope!”.
They’re fundamentally incompatible outcomes. You can accept that, choose who you’re going to root for (or neither), remain empathetic to both. It isn’t NECESSARY to reject empathy for one to root for the other. It’s your mind playing a trick on you to save you from feeling bad for whoever gets screwed. You can sit with something bittersweet.
Is this putting ND on blast? YEP. Is it providing a vehicle for people being abused by people with ND to recognize that? YEP.
Fundamentally incompatible outcomes. It’s completely reasonable to hold a position like “I hate that this puts ND on blast, but ultimately this leads to the better outcome”. I think “this is the better outcome… And people with a legitimate disorder can eat shit” is not.
The provenance sounds good but something about all the hype around watching this super closeup of a clearly ND person rubs me the wrong way.
Idk maybe that’s the “point” of the documentary but feels exploitative. Like afaik fielder is not a serious documentarian, he makes social commentary x comedy stuff. I’ll see what people say once the hype dies down but yeah… something about it just
I think my compassion is better spent on the thousands of people she medically defrauded with fake blood test results. To be honest, I think it’s condescending to other neurodivergent people to use that as any sort of a excuse for the shit she pulled.
Thankyou. As someone who has actually been actually diagnosed with actual autism and ADHD, it fucks me right off when people act like total cunts then claim it’s because of either of those conditions, just as much as it does when they claim it’s because of their starsign. Her acts were hers alone, not mine.
Not as an excuse. She’s going to prison for defrauding people. But like the entertainment aspect of it icks me. I just feel like if I go to the theatre I’m going to be sitting next to a person who just bought a ticket to watch the funny cringy lady twist under the gaze of the cameras.
It is fair game to expose the manner in which this neurodivergent person is dangerous to others, and warn the world about her, with specifics. Even if it hinges on an intimate look at the details.
I mean I was about her, she seems to believe in her own grift which has allowed her to defraud people for years.
Anyway, the story isn’t the point. It’s how it’s made so entertaining that irks me. Like people are vibrating with excitement over it. It’s… Weird.
She’s a manipulative psychopath. She had children to try and get a more lenient sentence.
But, Elon Musk has done worse and no one seems to care.
The cringe humor is completely intertwined with her methods of deception, though. The exact same way that neurotypicals will often self censor so as to not be rude or make things awkward turns into a vulnerability, a vector for her style of ultra-sincere deception.
So introducing a neurodivergent comedian who doesn’t have that self-censorship instinct turns the awkwardness on itself and shows us something genuinely new about the subject. And it’s funny in the same way that the most cringeworthy comedy is funny, but that still serves an important non-comedic purpose in this film.
…he kind of is though. Have you seen The Rehearsal?
I have. It was pretty gonzo, but that’s clearly a character. I meant serious as in like sincere, not on terms of the quality of the entertainment (which is very very high).
Is that what you meant?
Oh I think Fielder was more sincere in season 2 of The Rehearsal than you might be attributing here.
I dunno, I think that he’s been getting more and more serious/sincere with each project he’s done. I can’t comment on this doc quite yet as I’m seeing it tomorrow, but I expect to be impressed either way.
I do like his other stuff, but I guess I can’t tell the difference between him doing a bit and being sincere.
People do seem to love it. I hope you enjoy it.
Oh no the poor convicted fraudster.
Personally I put the ceiling of how much fraud you can play the ND card for at around $1,000.
It’s not like she’s getting off the hook just because I feel uncomfortable about a movie making entertainment out of her fucked up psyche.
note: scam skisnow for $999
I mean, afaik this was her idea.
Apparently the super close up thing is kind of the co-director’s calling card for all of his documentaries.
Also pretty sure Nathan Fielder is ND. If not he’s a hell of an actor. I don’t know if you saw The Curse or the Rehearsal, but he’s a lot deeper than just comedy.
I think that’s an incredibility compassionate take, and for that I instantly and unconditionally love you.
I think compassionate people tend to trip on something, and I think you’re tripping on it right now. I think other people trip in the opposite direction. Let me explain:
When you watch a nature doc where a lion hunts some poor baby antelope, maybe you’re rooting for the antelope. It just wants to live. But the lion has to eat. It’s incompatible. Just to be a dick I always say to my wife “think of the the baby lions that’ll starve if the lion doesn’t catch an antelope!”.
They’re fundamentally incompatible outcomes. You can accept that, choose who you’re going to root for (or neither), remain empathetic to both. It isn’t NECESSARY to reject empathy for one to root for the other. It’s your mind playing a trick on you to save you from feeling bad for whoever gets screwed. You can sit with something bittersweet.
Is this putting ND on blast? YEP. Is it providing a vehicle for people being abused by people with ND to recognize that? YEP.
Fundamentally incompatible outcomes. It’s completely reasonable to hold a position like “I hate that this puts ND on blast, but ultimately this leads to the better outcome”. I think “this is the better outcome… And people with a legitimate disorder can eat shit” is not.