I’ve spent the last 12 hours speaking to Israelis who were at the Supernova music festival. Their testimonies, as you would imagine, are very emotional. At least one broke down mid-conversation and wasn’t able to continue his recollection.
The attack on the festival outside of Re’im began around 7 a.m. The party was at its peak by then—which meant that by then most people were inebriated. At first, partygoers heard a loud explosion, which they took to be another sporadic rocket attack on southern Israel. But then the explosions grew louder and constant, and kept going for about five minutes. The music stopped, and the police protecting the 4,000 or 5,000 ravers began pushing everyone to leave.
By then, the terrorists were approaching in pickup trucks bearing Hamas military markings.
Shooting began. Many were executed on the spot. 260 bodies have been found, so far, on the site of the rave.
Many of the young men and women started running in the flat expanse of the western Negev desert. Faced with the spectacle of kids fleeing for their lives on a largely flat surface, the terrorists began rounding up the rest of their victims.
Others were captured and bound and kidnapped. “I saw videos with a male getting held by a group of Arab kids. Like, they’re like 16, 17,” one survivor recalled. “They’re kids, but they’re they’re young men already, and they’re holding this guy, and he looks as his girlfriend is being mounted on a bike and driven away from him. God knows what she’s going to experience… Women have been raped at the area of the rave next to their friends bodies, dead bodies.”
Several of these rape victims appear to have been later executed. Others were taken to Gaza. In photographs released online, you can see several paraded through the city’s streets, blood gushing from between their legs.
The only thing I want is a weapon. I want something to protect us.
One survivor who’d returned to the scene later in the day to look for his friends spoke, in a breaking voice, of what he’d seen. Of the bodies, mainly of young women, lying cold and mutilated. Of scantily clad corpses, many of whom appeared to have been shot at point blank. Of cars, perforated by bullets or blown up by grenades.
Some of the lucky ones ran to a nearby wadi, seeking shelter amid the shrubbery. “I felt like they were shooting right above our heads,” one survivor recalled. “I dove into a bush… It felt like the shooting was coming from 180 degrees, all around us. I understood we’re going to be there for at least a couple of hours. And I had nothing on me. And I was like, the only thing I want is a weapon. I want something to protect us.” Eventually, he and his friends, some of them barefoot, decided to risk it and try to reach safety, walking close enough to the road to see it but not so close so that they might be seen. “I said, if we see like army or police cars, we’re going to go to the road. Otherwise, we’re going to stay away. When we saw police and army cars, we knew that it’s a safe place.”
Later, when the gruesome attack was finally over and IDF soldiers managed to subdue the attackers, they searched these trucks and found RPG launchers, high-end communications devices, assorted AK-47s and other mostly Soviet-made weapons, along with numerous copies of the Quran.
Hamas are nasty terrorist clowns who hate everybody. This butchery put that on full display. They don’t represent anyone, and in fact are hated by quite a few Palestinian people.
The only people being punished by this conflict are the civilians on both sides…
Not the only ones, but mostly true of any war.
Didn’t the Palestinians vote for Hamas to be their government?
My impression is that the elected Fatah government does not have power in Gaza, which is held by Hamas as a dictatorship. Hamas refused to hold elections in 2021-2022.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_Palestine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021–22_Palestinian_local_electionsHamas won the last PA elections back in 2006. Fatah tried to prevent Hamas from taking power, and since then they’ve had Fatah in the West Bank (‘protected’ by Israel) and Hamas in Gaza. Because of the conflict between Fatah and Hamas, they’ve not had fully democratic elections since, as neither allows the other to campaign.
My understanding of Palestinian politics is that Fatah lost legitimacy by supporting negotiations with Israel, which Israel undermined. Corruption was also a part.
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.” JFK.
They don’t represent anyone, and in fact are hated by quite a few Palestinian people.
Hamas was voted into power by Gaza conservatives. They have been completely inept in their “leadership” for almost 20 years, as is to be expected of conservatives.
Conservatism is a plague of death long overdue for a cure.
Funny, it were the Palestinian women and children cheering the macabre display.
I am writing this not to undermine any witness testimonies. Yes, it’s extremely likely that women and men were raped in this situation. This is something we know happens in war, no point denying it.
I just want to point out that this particular site that this article is from is a right wing pro-Israeli nationalist site that also dabbles in conspiracy theories.
You can check the rating here: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/tablet-magazine/
Seems to mostly publish factual information, but it is good to know what the source is and what to look out for.
They are the only ones with any story about this now. I for one would rather wait until the investigation is done and we can understand what happened in that massacre. That being said, rape is a likely outcome.
They are the only ones with any story about this now. I for one would rather wait until the investigation is done and we can understand what happened in that massacre. That being said, rape is a likely outcome.
times of israel is ranked “high” and made a similar report . (very difficult description ahead, consider if you want to read this stuff).
Two videos in particular have raised concerns of sexual assault against women, one of which shows a woman apparently bleeding into her shorts being taken out of a vehicle in Gaza; the woman is alive. The other video shows a woman stripped down to her underwear lying face down in a truck.
I’m wondering how anyone could have witnessed these rapes and escaped to tell about it.
Several of these rape victims appear to have been later executed. Others were taken to Gaza. In photographs released online, you can see several paraded through the city’s streets, blood gushing from between their legs.
I thought I had seen the worst of what humanity has to offer.
This war will have no winners, only losers.
As is every war.
Faith in humanity: destroyed
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Congratulations on the stupidest comment in this thread
Techmaster, you’re usually a funny guy, what the hell?
Something happen with the family? Or just need to vent, I got an ear.
But you’re better then these lame jokes.
Do better than this.
Hexbear is up and down Lemmy trying to tell us that ISrAeL CaUsEd aLL tHiS aNd DeSeRvEs WhAt tHeY GeT. Why? Fuck if I know, but my best guess is they just hate anyone America supports, regardless of any nuances. BOTH Israel and Palestine-- and not ALL of them, obviously-- are wrong and evil in this war.
There’s a ton of users here who seem to be so blinded by “America bad” and trying to have the biggest brain contrarian take. Half the time it leads them to into a pants on head level argument that ignores basic, undeniable facts such as “intentionally targeting hundreds of civilians and proceeding to kill, rape and torture them is wrong”
Tankies and genocide apologia. Name a more iconic duo.
Tankies and genocide denial.
We are watching you, hexbear ;]
Israel did cause all this. But innocent civilians don’t deserve to be targeted. This is abhorrent on all fronts.
On the plus side, they made me figure out how to block their instance. I was so disgusted; it was either that or leave lemmy.
Share with everyone else.
Use Connect or Sync app.
Boost can mute instances as well.
Boost (and sync/connect apparently) can block at the instance level
it’s very interesting how different our lemmy experiences are. l.w blocked them awhile ago and if it wasn’t for your post i wouldn’t have been aware of it. thanks for sharing.
Im on lemm.ee, and roughly 90% of all the content I see is hexbear and lemmygrad nonsense. I can’t stand it.
This is gut wrenching.
Eagerly awaiting the people who are going to tell us that this is what decolonization and righteous resistance looks like.
No this is what results when that doesn’t happen and also what happens when you decide to fund extremists in the 80s and 90s so you can keep the moderate coalition out of power to keep this clusterfuck going.
Muhammad would be so proud
I mean he raped children himself so…
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When I read a story about Buddhists religiously motivated murdering Muslims in India a while back, I realized that was 100% the truth. I’m not Buddhist, but I thought maybe that religion was safe from radicalization. Nope!
There is no system in the world, religeous or otherwise, safe from the dangers of radicalization.
Absolutely the unfortunate truth…
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Yeah I learned about that a couple years ago as well… so sick…
Do they have russian soldiers in palestine?
or are they the same people from hebron and munich massacres?
A Ruzzia hacker group (basically just a front for the GRU) just declared that they’re attacking Israel, so same type of dickheads definitely, all supported by Ruzzia’s Allies, Iran and Syria.
Know which?
Likely APT28
It’s almost as if stuff like this is part of human nature. It all just depends on which environment one grows up in.
wtf is that font.
so we know where in the World Wagner PMC is now… and the whole thing is now obviously a Russian op…
That’s some serious reaching.
maybe your brain is short
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So was Hitler once. Even liked dogs. Still grew up to be a monster. Say, were any of the “victims” aspiring art students?
Funny you should bring up Hitler. The Nazis attempted to exterminate the Jewish people and killed millions of them in the process, which doesn’t justify Israel’s actions, as I’m sure you’ll agree. But then you turn around and say that Israel practicing an apartheid state does justify the rape and murder of Israeli civilians. So which is it? You can’t have both.
You are supporting the rape and murder of ordinary people. Nothing justifies this behaviour. Especially not with the pathetic “but what if any of these people could go on to become the new Hitler? Checkmate!” line.
I don’t know if you’re a troll who thinks this is funny, or something worse. Either way, it needs to stop.
Yes, and at that time even Hitler was innocent.
Read the room dude
Reading a lot of dirty zionists in here.
It is possible to both not support the behaviour of the Israeli state towards Palestinian civilians and not support the mass murder and worse of Hamas.
That’s pretty much where I am. I don’t support the violence against Israeli citizens at all, but Israel is also not the good guy in the situation as well given the history of their treatment of Palestinians and decades of illegal settlements.
Yes, dehumanize your ‘enemy’. This is a great moral strength of yours and surely won’t lead to you becoming exactly what you hate.
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You’re a vile piece of shit.
Scumbags like that are why Lemmygrad needs to be defederated.
Wtf mate
You sound almost as vile as the rapists
Your logic is weak. Do all Americans deserve to be raped and murdered because the country was stolen from natives?
You mean European Americans? Cause the real Americans were in fact already raped & murdered.
I don’t think natives called themselves “americans”. “America” was named after an Italian explorer.
And Germans don’t call themselves German, does that change what they are? Jackass
Are you okay?
As a native american who grew up on the res, it’s kind of a tempting idea ngl. Especially on indigenous people’s day.
Of course a commie approves of raping captives.
You are beyond disgusting
You’re an inhuman piece of shit. Fucking tankie. Just as fucked in the head as the Nazi comments here. You’re all the same, same goes for Hamas and all the other extremistic fuckheads. You’re the pieces of shit that make this planet such a hell hole.
Just gonna add my voice here that Lemmygrad really needs to be defederated from any remotely respectable instance.
If your response to rape and murder is “they were asking for it”, you have lost the right to participate in civil society.
I generally support Palestine, but lemme just say: People like you make the rest of us look bad.
This is why you far left asshats should be cast out from the more centrist left leaning groups.
You are as disgusting as the Nazi sympathizer.
