• quatschkopf34@feddit.de
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    39
    arrow-down
    10
    ·
    1 year ago

    Well, it‘s actually true that Hamas uses civil infrastructure and civilians as shields, you can’t deny that. Of course that doesn‘t mean that Israel can just bomb everything.

    • tryptaminev 🇵🇸 🇺🇦 🇪🇺@feddit.de
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      17
      arrow-down
      13
      ·
      1 year ago

      in an area where the population density is 5,300 people/km2 “human shields” is a quite weak argument. It is practically impossible to seperate civillian and military infrastructure in such densely populated areas.

      For comparision the Netherlands has about 500 people/km2 and it is one of the most densely populated countries in Europe.

      • quatschkopf34@feddit.de
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        23
        arrow-down
        7
        ·
        1 year ago

        There is a difference between the close proximity of military and civilian infrastructure because of a high population density and actively choosing hospitals as military bases.

        • Not_Alec_Baldwin@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          20
          arrow-down
          5
          ·
          1 year ago

          Another great way of not getting your civilians targeted is to wear identifying uniforms.

          It’s almost like Hamas doesn’t want to prevent civilian casualties.

            • Guydht@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              5
              arrow-down
              7
              ·
              1 year ago

              No, but it does justify telling all civilians to evacuate weeks before launching an actual full scale attack, increasing their odds of survival from 0% to 90%. War is ugly.

                • GoldenAxeDwarf@lemmy.world
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  4
                  arrow-down
                  3
                  ·
                  1 year ago

                  Most Israelis are non-Ashkenazi, so not “white”.

                  And considering there has been a continuous Jewish presence in Israel for thousands of years, your (lack of) logic is flawed.

                  Did you find some big words you’re trying to find a way to practice?

                  • masquenox@lemmy.world
                    link
                    fedilink
                    arrow-up
                    2
                    arrow-down
                    6
                    ·
                    1 year ago

                    Most Israelis are non-Ashkenazi, so not “white”.

                    Say it louder. Bellow it from the rooftops so that every Jewish person in occupied Palestine can hear you - they aren’t “white” enough for you… just like your European ancestors insisted when they massacred Jewish people and drove them from their homes due to their rabid antisemitism. Show them why you really enable them, right-winger.

                    Jewish presence in Israel

                    Yeah… that’s why there are Jewish Palestinians, Christian Palestinians and, of course, Muslim Palestinians. They have been there for centuries - long before Christian antisemites invented the ideology of Zionism.

        • tryptaminev 🇵🇸 🇺🇦 🇪🇺@feddit.de
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          8
          arrow-down
          4
          ·
          1 year ago

          You are right. Hamas is not acting responsible leave alone lawful in where they put military installations. But that is used by Israel to just bomb anything they feel like bombing, and for that it is a weak arguement. Especially since we have nothing but Israels pinky promise that there were military targets in whatever they bombed.

          Given how Israel extensively attacked civillian and ambulance convoys fleeing on the routes designated by Israel to flee to the south, as demanded by Israel, i cannot help the feeling that they are just shooting at random to instill more fear and destruction.

          For that again i find it weird, how Israel was entirely unprepared for the terror attacks of Hamas on the 7. October but immediately claimed to know exactly where Hamas is having what installations in Gaza. I remember how the Russian preparations for the Ukraine invasion have been discussed for months and the question remaining was, whether Putin is that insane or not. Now with Hamas that question was moot, so how the fuck did Israel both know exactly where all of Hamas is, but didnt notice any preparations for the attacks?

          I cannot shake the feeling that Israel has much less knowledge about Hamas positions than they claim.

          • Malfeasant@lemm.ee
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            3
            arrow-down
            2
            ·
            1 year ago

            Or, that they do know what’s going on, but let the attack happen because Israeli civilians are nearly as expendable as Palestinian civilians, at least to the people who profit from the war machine…

            • rchive@lemm.ee
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              2
              ·
              1 year ago

              Israel does appear to value its civilians a lot more than Hamas. There have been prisoner swaps where Hamas will hold out swapping one Israeli until Israel agrees to literally hundreds of Palestinians.

    • masquenox@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      5
      arrow-down
      8
      ·
      1 year ago

      it‘s actually true that Hamas uses civil infrastructure and civilians as shields

      Riiight… there’s a Hamas “terrorist” hiding behind every Palestinian child… and if you can’t see them, it just proves how sneaky they are, amirite?