The biggest tragedy of pet ownership is that they just don’t live long enough.
This is true, but there is no ‘long enough’ unless it is ‘from the moment you get it until you die.’ The pain of losing a dog is just an unfortunate part of having a dog and they just will never live long enough for you to not feel that pain.
My sister lost her dog this weekend in a freak accident and everyone in the family - not just her husband and kids - are devastated. He was such an essential part of every gathering.
He wasn’t just a dog, he was my friend.
I’m sorry for your loss. My dog is getting older and I don’t know what my family will do without her when she passes away.
There’s no good way to spin it, it simply sucks to lose a pet. Dogs are the best and they become such a strong force in your life.
I believe this is a part of what a dog does to help teach us about life. Giving us joy and companionship while also teaching us about grief and loss in the end.
I am so sorry for both you and your sister and her family. Thankfully, all of my dogs have lived a full life and when they end came, it wasn’t a surprise. It is so much sadder when it’s unexpected.
I’m sorry. I know your heart is broken and nothing but time can ease it. I lost my cat in January at 15 years old from hyperthyroid related kidney failure. We met when she was a feral kitten and ran out from under a food truck and tried to take me down by the ankle. We bonded instantly. It has me at a heightened state of awareness of the mortality of my two dogs and remaining cat. It hurts like hell and I’m so sorry you lost your friend.
I know what you are saying, but I don’t agree. I’d take one more year with my dog over no more years any day. Breeding all kinds of crazy types of dogs, but never for a longer life is nuts.
Would one more year really have been long enough though?
Longer would be better, sure, but would you have ever gotten to a point where you would have been okay to lose that dog?
Yes, it would have been better. A longer healthier life for a dog, who says you have to get to that point? Maybe we will bring a whole new meaning to the word family dog, passed down generations.
I didn’t ask if it would be better.
Of course it would be better.
Would it be long enough? I doubt it. At least I know that no matter how many years any of my dogs lived, even if it was 50 years, if I outlived, them it wouldn’t be long enough.
Long enough means you would be okay if they died.
It’s not about how much is enough, that is a weird way to think about it. Would I have liked to have another year with him? Absolutely, he died too early.
That’s literally what the article said, so blame the article. It says, “The biggest tragedy of pet ownership is that they just don’t live long enough.” It’s right there at the top of the post. That’s what I was commenting on.
Maybe this is being too cold-hearted, but we tend to choose pets that live a fraction of a human’s life. There are many animals which could make good pets except they live as long as humans (if not a lot longer).
I think what this article was something like,
The biggest tragedy of pet ownership is that sometimes those pets die far too soon due to illness.
I don’t know that many of them can have the symbiotic relationship we have with dogs.
Parrots.
I have parrots and I love them more than life itself but it’s not quite the same relationship that I have with my dog. Dogs are truly special.
I cannot with parrots.
Maybe with corvids? But their love is conditional, unlike a dog or cat.
We literally have a genetic bond with dogs. Nothing on earth is quite like it.
I think your family tree looks a little bit different than mine! Lol
Um, we don’t have a “genetic bond” with dogs unless you’re talking about LUCA…or a dog has learned how to comment on Lemmy…
https://www.discovermagazine.com/the-sciences/dogs-have-co-evolved-with-humans-like-no-other-species
a dog is literally a wolf bread to be a perfect human companion.
That has nothing to do with a genetic bond with humans.
From your linked article:
More likely, domestication happened slowly, in fits and starts. “This symbiotic or commensal relationship,” says Robert Quinlan, professor of anthropology at Washington State University, “probably initially happened accidentally."
Dogs and humans have a symbiotic bond, as the OP from your original reply said. We did not bond our genes with them, like that episode of Fullmetal Alchemist (I hope).
Sorry to be a “acktually”-type pedant about this, but terminology is important when discussing genetics, otherwise people get confused and end up like the ones that think we can’t be genetically related to chimps because they exist at the same time as we do.
I feel like messing with animals’ lifespans is playing God too much. Then again, we made the Chihuahua, and if anything was an affront to God it’d be that.
Life is short. There’s never enough time to be with your loved ones.
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I’m watching my dog get gray in the muzzle and struggling with this myself. Thank you.
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they just will never live long enough for you to not feel that pain.
Well, you can have a dog in your senior years.
Sure, but you will have lost all the others before that. Unless that is your first dog.
Could have used this two years ago
I’m sorry, friend.
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can’t afford to get my old man back fixed, but rich people dogs gonna live forever
In America, you can get free coverage if you are broke enough.
Where are you living? What kind of income?
And you think dog vaccines are bad because you have other problems? You should be embarrassed for letting your hurt turn into intentionally wishing more pain and death on others.
I’m sure your father would love to see your love for him turn into pointless hatred for dogs.
Backs are notoriously hard to fix. And low coverage often will not cover anything more than physical therapy and an opium addiction.
There are states where you can’t get medical coverage from the state unless you’re a child or disabled. Every state didn’t expand Medicaid eligibility and every state runs its healthcare system differently.
If you’re going to veer into such an intentionally bad faith reading of someone else’s comment you should at least be right about what you’re saying.
What states are you talking about? What bad faith discussion?
Projection. Yall just want to shit on a system ypu don’t understand. Definitively a bad faith dispute.
What kind of people defend shitting on cancer vaccinations of any type?
It’s easy to search it yourself, but there are 10 states that haven’t expanded Medicaid. People in these states who are “just” poor (not disabled or children) do not have access to low/no cost healthcare as you suggested.
Reading someone saying they wish they could get their back fixed and complaining about rich people’s pets having a better standard of healthcare than people, then jumping straight to “they hate dogs and want them to die of cancer” is bad faith. Their feelings about dogs are clearly not the subject of their comment. It’s a complaint about the system that has left them without adequate access to healthcare.
It’s obviously not that easy, seeing as how you have created a strawman and are arguing false information.
The claim wasn’t about the expansion of medicaid, it was that free coverage exists in all states.
Texas is one of your 10 listed states but has a “Charity Care” law for all non profit hospitals requiring they provide free aid to those that qualify.
https://www2.texasattorneygeneral.gov/faq/access-to-health-care-qa
People who pretend a topic is simple to dismiss the claims of others are typically wrong.
By National law, you are required to be provided any kind of emergency care needed, https://www.patientadvocate.org/explore-our-resources/preventing-medical-debt/uninsured-and-facing-an-emergency-know-your-rights/.
Seems like you are full of shit and want to strawman the topic to be about medicaid expansion.
The hate dogs portion is to address their actual comment which shits on a vaccine for dogs because of coverage not offered by their government. You’re just another shitty person looking to justify hating on modern medicine because you’re bitter.
It’s bad faith to pretend a direct address to his shitty comment is bad faith because it upsets you. I was holding my dog who is currently dying of cancer, while typing that portion, so I would love for you to have said this shit to my face. Fuck his and your shitty attitude on medicine for dogs. Would be pure poetry for the two of yall to taste cancer treatments to know what yall are wishing on people.
Seeing as how you can’t piece together a thought that isn’t 100% pieced together by bullshit, I’m going to move on from this convo. Have a good one.
In America, you can get free coverage if you are broke enough.
Can you tell me who gives broke people free coverage for chemo? How about physical therapy after a serious injury? Mental health care?
Medicaid has different income limits for different states. For a family of 3 in Michigan it’s about 2755 per month. If you make less (per household) you qualify for Medicaid. Search “Medicaid Requirements” plus your state. Everything is covered. The 2400ish we bring home a month barely covers our bills, but it’s worth it for Medicaid if you have a chronic health condition (or on our case my spouse, our child, and myself all have serious health conditions). My medication for my pituitary deficiency would cost me thousands a month. My spouse and child have a genetic vascular condition and they need scans every year to make sure they’re not about to die.
Another thing you can do is a Medicaid spend down. I’m not sure how it is for every other state. But let’s say your limit is 3000 for your family but your income is 4000 and your medical bills are 2000 a month. You pay the difference between your income and the limit (1000), and Medicaid covers the rest. I believe you have to have a serious health issue to qualify for a Medicaid spend down.
If you are low enough income to qualify for SSI, Medicaid is given automatically (I think in every state).
In our state of Michigan you apply for Medicaid at DHHS. They have a very easy to use website for a few years now (it was a big hassle before that). Let me know if you have more questions about this.
Hey, thanks for the detailed breakdown.
Cherrypicking.
The point is we are way better off than most nations on healthcare. You could be stuck in Russia where your medical options are get drafted to the front line and killed in your sleep by fellow soldiers over who gets the last soup.
Sorry… how am I cherrypicking by proving my point that being poor doesn’t necessarily get you chemo?
How does it prove your point that, “In America, you can get free coverage if you are broke enough?” Because it seems like it shows the exact opposite.
You didn’t prove that chemo isn’t provided coverage, you provided select times where coverage doesn’t sustain long term.
The claim was never all medical bills is covered in the USA.
And that has nothing to do with what the previous commenter said that you quoted your response too.
It’s nitpicking for holes in a statement made about the place where coverage is. Yall aren’t interested in solutions to “my old man’s back problems.” Yall are looking for a political point to removed about to justify shitting on a cancer vaccine.
Yeah! The world needs more good boys!
Yes, but also more homes for the good boys already in shelters waiting to be adopted.
Neutering and spaying dogs should be a requirement for ownership unless you are some sort of registered and certified breeder of some sort with a limited amount of licenses allowed to prevent over breeding.
A few thoughts: Yes, this is literally animal testing.
This study was published 2.5 years ago.
Overall survival at 1 year at 65 % vs 35-40 with standard of care.
No serious side effects.
The peptide sequence was carefully selected.
Original scientific article link for those interested. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8379704/
In humans a 12 month OS change from 35-40% to 65% is impressive. I would be super excited about a therapy for my pup that would add 6 months to my pup’s life. The median survival improvement from 307 days to 478 days is enough for me to ask for that therapy instead of chemo and amputation for my pup’s osteosarcoma or other HER2 driven cancers.
I think the treatment was in top of chemo and amputation. Anyhow, I agree with you.
