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Tolerance is a social contract. Those who abide by it are protected by it. Those who reject it are not
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You are agreeing with what he just said. It’s a social contract. Those who break the social contract, pedophiles, fascists, et al, are not protected by the social contract.
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Nazi punks fuck off! I’m not a huge Kennedys fan but I’ll blast that one any time.
I despise (the sound of) punk but you gotta respect the whole pro-working class, anti-nazi movement.
That same man said in the same song…
Punk ain’t no religious cult
Punk means thinking for yourself
Yeah. Respect.
I just wish punk wasn’t so grating on my ears so I could get into it more. It’s by far my least favorite genre lol
It’s not for everyone. And that’s ok.
I always liked “Master Race in Outer Space” by The Vandals. It’s about loading all of the nazis into rockets and launching them to the moon. Good stuff.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Sky
You want moon nazis? That’s how you get moon nazis.
Nobody ever said that the nazi moon rockets would have landing gear.
Good point. I think launching them at the sun would probably be more effective.
Nazi punks? fuck off.
Beating up nazis and other fascists is self defense.
Violence works. People don’t wanna hear it but it works and is a useful and effective tool.
Violence is never the answer.
It’s a question and the answer is “yes.”
Does EDM have a nazi problem? Gonna need an explanation on that
It’s 2024. I’m more surprised when a subculture doesn’t have a Nazi problem, sadly.
The oddest thing to me was: even Bronies. Even Bronies have/had a Nazi problem.
I present, ‘Aryanne’:
You’re surprised that 4chan dwelling furry losers have a Nazi problem?
Lol this looks like something the hacker 4chan created as a gatcha for good morning America
BetterHelp’s new social media sales tactics are pretty intense
I could have gone my whole life without seeing that.
I think; if you dig deep enough in any larger fandom, you are bound to find some neo-nazis. A very loud minority of bronies painted a very large target on the rest of us with these beliefs. Especially because the outrage-fueled media ran off with a half cocked story again…
I still haven’t found out whether Aryanne was originally created as a joke or not. Unfortunately it’s hard for a brony to really-really hate a cute fictional pone like that, and there are a couple of great stories with her as a character (on the bad guy’s team of course).
I of course hate nazis with a passion, but nazi characters in fiction can be a useful vehicle for storytelling under the right circumstances.
That still sounds like a Nazi problem to me.
A couple of nazis coincidentally being fans of a specific franchise does not constitute a “nazi-problem” within said fandom, in my opinion. I’m pretty sure bronies were quick to shun said individuals. It would only be a “nazi-problem” if that belief was a common trend in the group…
I always found it mind-boggling how some neo-nazis, could somehow identify with a show based around friendship and inclusion. There is some cognitive dissonance there…
If you don’t kick the Nazis out immediately, you’re a Nazi bar.
That anecdote is true, but it’s also a bad comparison. You can’t really kick someone out of the internet… Or really stop them from claiming association. And like I said they were shunned after their beliefs became clear…
Yeah maybe it’s changed recently with the growth in popularity but as someone who’s gone to raves and festivals for well over a decade it’s always been one of the most welcoming cultures.
I know the more major festivals have gotten less so over the years but it’s more just generic assholes not Nazis.
Similar situation with punk. There are still Nazi Punks, but they’re asking for trouble at most gigs or areas with that sort of influence. From Dead Kennedys to Chumba Wamba, folks make it known these days they’re not welcome. Shame about the few bands here and there still spreading the rhetorics, yet barking dogs will always be heard in the distance…
Indeed, the situation with punk is very similar to the situation with punk. Good point.
I was at a party in college & a young lady was having a not so great night. She passed out, horked up what apparently looked like Alice Springs Chicken from Outback, & one of her sorority sisters had drawn a swastika on her forehead.
My roommate & I knew where she lived. So I went to grab puke-a-potomous, she went to get her car.
By the time I got back to puke-a-potomous on the couch, someone had turned the swastika into a very crudely drawn Windows logo.
Now I kinda wanna see some NaziPunk get pinned down at a concert, while someone converts his offensive tattoos into corporate logos.
EDM has a nazi problem?
Not many groups out there I wish violence upon, but nazis sure as hell make that list.
My list is pretty short:
Nazis. Propagandists. Billionaires that affect society for their own benefit. People who hurt kids
Really it could just be two:
Propagandists and people who hurt kids.
Billionaires have no power without propaganda and Nazis aren’t made without propaganda.
the only* solution. ive been coming to understand talking them out of being fascists rarely works if they are that deep into it.
You cannot logic someone out of a position that they didn’t use logic to get to.
Only two options really, play on their emotional reasoning to make them feel the victim of their own beliefs, or you know, make their physical safety in question.
i’m familiar with option 2, violence is straightforward.
but how does option 1 work?
Manipulate them basically. Essentially weaponize the shift that conservatives have when they are personally affected by something. Think McCain turning around on gay marriage because his kid was gay or whatever.
If trump and maga can manipulate using emotion because these people only use emotional reasoning, surely a competent person can weaponize other grievances in the opposite direction.
Just make them more mad about something else that we can all agree on.
You can’t destroy Nazism with your mind. You have to use your body.
My mind controls my body. Checkmate Lemmy.
Mind/body dualism is a myth, your mind is your brain and your brain is a bodypart.
Uno reverse card, Lemming.
Your nerves extend beyond your brain and things like the state of your gut biome that is a complex mix of dozens of species of microorganisms strongly influences your emotions and thoughts.
Unless you want to consider those microorganisms as a body part too, it gets complicated.
I can’t believe this hasnt been taken down. This site is chock full of pussies who think this is advocating violence and you should just tolerate Nazi freedom of speech and try to win them over in the “marketplace of ideas.”
That sounds like a lemmy.world problem
Those same people get real salty about “tankies” who they think= anyone left of Biden and not a pacifist.
Oh no, tankies are those who believe that anybody to the right of Stalin needs to be sent to the gulag.
I still find it hard to not automatically assume a bald guy dressed in typical punk attire isn’t a neo-nazi skinhead, since almost every dude I’ve met that looks like that has been one.
Your assumptiom would most likely be wrong. The vast majority of punks in general are anti-racist and would gladly punch a Nazi. The ones that are most likely to actually deliver the punch are the bald guys in typical punk attire.
The original skinhead movement was very progressive, anti-racist, and there are plenty of skinhead punks still representing it in the exact same way. All of the skinhead punks in my area identify as SHARPS or Skinheads Against Racial Prejudice, and I don’t live in a super progressive place or anything.
Nazi skinhead punks aren’t seen in public much, nowadays, mostly thanks to the guaranteed violence from the people mentioned above. If they are brave enough to be in public, they will make it known with some sort of asshole patch, asshole tattoo, or doc marten boots with white laces, but I’ve never seen one at a normal punk show.
Source: Lifelong enjoyer of punk music and shows.
Surveillance states and mobile recording devices in everyone’s pocket, plus a media machine that portrays any violence done as barbarism means that the people delivering haymakers to skinhead fucks are no longer safe themselves
That dude who punched a Nazi in Seattle is fine I’m pretty sure. Punching Nazis is cool
Deliver haymakers to the police en masse.
This is why every anti-nazi protest needs to have everyone armed. Those bastards won’t show their faces around people who can and will fight back.
Protests in general should be heavily armed and (more importantly) well organized. Whether it’s the Nazis or the cops (insert ‘same picture’ meme here), they’re scared of an actual fight
Sometimes violence is the answer.
They spend billions to tell us otherwise for a reason!
