• Neato@ttrpg.network
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    6 months ago

    It’s a “no true scotsman” but those aren’t leftists. Leftists don’t praise and try to emulate autocrats. Those are people pretending to be leftists who are trying to co-opt, radicalize, or confuse leftists.

    Leftism by definition is opposed to authoritarians.

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      6 months ago

      Explain the absolute takes on the Russian war by Jeremy Corbin and Noam Chomsky. They have encouraged Ukraine to surrender, which is tacit approval of Russia’s invasion by giving Russia everything that they ever asked for

      Explain Hassan shilling for Hamas

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      6 months ago

      The modern definition of leftism is socialism and co. And socialism is inherently authoritarian.

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      Some are pretending to be leftists. But some just have a Manichean view of the world that they can’t shake. Some people change labels when they convert from fundamentalist religion or blind nationalism, but don’t change the framework of their views.

      No shit, I have seen people outright denying Houthi atrocities because “They wouldn’t do something like that!”

      Because the Houthis are opposed to The Great Satan™, they’re automatically rewritten in these people’s minds to be at least acceptable in every facet of their existence.

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      6 months ago

      You mean like Hamas? Leftists have this oppression totempole, and anyone being “oppressed” are automatically good.

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          6 months ago

          Sure. But at the same time, if you attempt to commit genocide, porportional self defense is fair. The question becomes what is porportional.

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            Proportional self-defense probably ended before November, though, when the Palestinian civilian death toll hopped up to over triple the Israeli civilian death toll from the Hamas attack.

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              Well, from that single attack on Oct 7th, but thats just one attack out of many. Its unclear just how many have been killed, and by who.

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                6 months ago

                Not really. Even the highest estimates of Israeli casualties for the entire year don’t come close.

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                  Maybe? Hamas clearly gives zero shits about civilians and theres so much propaganda coming out, I wouldnt be surprised to find out Hamas has a higher body count.

                  Hell, I wouldnt put it past Hamas to delibritly murder Gaza civilians in order to blame the IDF. Hell, didnt they hit a hospital with a rocket?

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            You yourself just cut a check for Hamas to indiscriminately slaughter 29k israelis as “proportional self defense” for how far in the red that ledger is over Oct 7th.

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              Considering they shot a rocket at a hospital and blamed the IDF, I wouldnt be surprised if we’re already there. Impossible to know for sure though