I love how this will gain traction, but when we talk about banning the Dutch guy who literally fucked a child, everyone is like, “But they can change…”
I’m all for banning the dutch guy.
also all for booing the dutch guy until he refuses to show his face again.
In some ways I feel bad for his volleyball partner, whose only other choice would have been to walk away from the Olympics.
I did. Then he opened his mouth.
yes the offenses are disproportionate, but the problem with doping is it directly undermines the integrity of the sport. same with gambling.
How many kids do you get to diddle before you undermine the sport?
How does diddling kids affect competitive integrity?
Being forced to compete on the same team with or against a convicted pedophile would certainly distract me, and would likely degrade the audience’s experience as well. Seems like a bad thing for sports.
We all get what you’re saying dude. Doesn’t mean there isn’t a distinction. What you’re describing is an indirect effect on competitive integrity, which might be an arbitrary difference for viewers but for the IOC it’s a legitimate distinction.
Great! There is a distinction.
I. Don’t. Care.
Ban the pedos.
I don’t get why this is an argument. Why are we even discussing this? I feel like it should be a given. Question 1 on your Olympic Entry Exam: Have you, as an adult, had sex with someone who did not or could not consent?
You can put every other question about doping and ethics after that one, because if they get hung up on Question 1, they shouldn’t be allowed to represent their country on a national stage. There are others that can answer that question in the negative that can take up the spot for their country.
It doesn’t matter what distinctions there are between doping and fucking kids, we need to, as a species, stop putting pedophiles on pedestals. Don’t buy their albums, don’t watch their movies, and don’t give them medals in the Olympics. They can work the fryer at McDonalds to support their wasted existence.
No one was arguing with you from the beginning. We’re just saying there’s a distinction and the IOC probably views it like that.
I will never understand the 8 downvotes you have. Ban the pedos shouldn’t be controversial.
that’s why I said “directly”. I agree other issues can indirectly undermine the sport as well.
Judging by the fact that smash is still popular, quite a lot, actually.
Who the fuck is this everyone you’re talking about here?
Everyone in all of the threads that were discussing the dutch pervert a few days ago. “He went to jail, he is reformed, etc…”
Phelps was actually so good that he needed to slow his performance down with bongloads and Subway sandos so people wouldn’t assume he was doping.
And Usain Bolt ate exclusively McDoods Nugs.
IIRC, the reason he gave is they’re consistent pretty much anywhere in the world. Last thing you want before an event is food poisoning.
with all the calories they’re burning they can afford it anyway. i vaguely remember phelps talking about his usual daily meals being like stacks of chocolate chip waffles, and not chicken breast with salad as you might expect.
It’s both, not one or the other. Dude was trying to get 8,000+ calories a day and also huge amounts of protein at the same time
it’s important that people understand you can’t mainline one type of intake when trying to both sustain the workouts/competition going on and preparing for a big meet. Not only does it get monotonous your body needs fats to refresh the digestive track and propel all that protein and carbs through the intestines. Trying that on a homogenous diet would be miserable.
Track Star Sha’Carri Richardson had to give up a gold medal after she tested positive for THC following a match.
What about things that may or may not constitute doping? Someone with some cold meds still in their system or who huffed oxygen before competition? Someone taking meds for a known condition that still had trace amounts in their system on the day?
There are many situations in which someone may have a foreign substance in their body that could provide advantage where they may be unaware that the substance is still lingering at competition time.
Not to mention, you’ll get people eliminating the competition by slipping them a mickey before the event….
Someone with some cold meds still in their system or who huffed oxygen before competition?
https://www.bbc.com/sport/winter-olympics/37703011 it’s already happened. She got some cold medicine from her doctor while in Italy.
you can also get therapeutic exceptions ahead of time.
How far ahead of time would you have to be, though? Colds and other common ailments are known for coming on quite suddenly and with little warning, after all…
yeah I was just saying it’s not all done after the fact. People with known conditions can get exceptions. And issues with colds etc are reviewed, it’s not like an automatic DSQ.
True. An example from another sport is road race cyclist Bo Hamburger who got an exemption because he had asthma.
Apparently the same inhaler that helps asthmatic people breathe helps non-asthmatic people breathe TOO well or something along those lines lol
IIRC all the norwegian xcountry skiers have asthma. Amazing that they can still dominate the sport, despite their illness.
Conclusion: cross country skiing excellence causes asthma.
As for Norwegians dominating cross country skiing, that’s as close to a natural law as you get in sports 🤷😄
I mean honestly if it can be proved someone cheated in any competition knowingly then they should be banned.
His hair looks like it’s on upsidedown.
But then there is no one left.
For a while
All we had to do to get rid of sports was to rigorously attempt to make them fair? Wow. Sports are DAF.
What a hypocrite
Weed is not a performance enhancing drug lol
Oh right I didn’t mean that I mean the PEDs that all top level athletes use
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This from the guy who might as well have been designed in a lab for swimming who argued that trans women should be banned from competing to ensure “a level playing field”.
If you look up the word “hypocrite” in the dictionary, there’s a picture of Michael Phelps.
If you look up the word “hypocrite” in the dictionary, there’s a picture of Michael Phelps.
I looked it up and found that dictionaries generally don’t contain pictures.
You must not have the hypothetical edition I got 🤔
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Nowhere in that article does it mention that he wants them banned, but go ahead and tell me I’m wrong somehow because level playing field equals being banned.
It sounds like he didn’t have an answer but thinks there should be some kind of system in include everyone.
Based on the first part of your comment I’m sure your response will be well thought out and free from derogatory terms.
Nowhere in that article does it mention that he wants them banned, but go ahead and tell me I’m wrong somehow because level playing field equals being banned.
How else do you think he wants a level playing field to be achieved? Hobbling? Strapping weights to trans swimmers? Giving cis women a head start?
Sometimes things are so obvious that they don’t need to be explicitly stated. This is one of those times.
It sounds like he didn’t have an answer but thinks there should be some kind of system in include everyone
So some kind of “separate but equal” bullshit that implicitly labels trans women as not women? Doesn’t sound much better than outright bans tbh…
Based on the first part of your comment I’m sure your response will be well thought out and free from derogatory terms.
Based on your evasive pedantry and unearned condescension, I’m sure you’re going to take anything I say contrary to your arguments into account and not dismiss them out of hand for not coddling bad faith arguments 🙄
He’s a genetic advantage, oh no. He was born tall and broad shoulders with a swimmer’s body. That’s obviously cheating. On a related note LeBron James shouldn’t be allowed to play basketball either. Usain Bolt’s legs were too long he was genetically cheating. Only short fat out of shape people should be allowed to compete.
Actually I’d probably watch that.
He’s a genetic advantage, oh no.
One of the problems with any competitive sport is the fixation on top performance, rather than the appeal of the sport itself. People dope to win, because winning is more important than simply playing well. People dope because they can’t afford to compete without being a top performer, and so we create a monetary incentive to cheat.
Only short fat out of shape people should be allowed to compete.
“Don’t bother even trying, you’re the wrong shape” is a very common and deeply disheartening trend in a whole host of sporting events.
Brother we’re talking about the Olympics. Top performance is the point. The best athletes in the whole world competing at the top of their Sports. Nobody here is under any illusions about why people cheat we all get it. That doesn’t mean it’s acceptable.
Top performance is the point
The point is to bring together an international community of athletes in a peaceful cultural exchange.
Handing out medals for ballroom dancing and table tennis is just an excuse to get everyone in the same room together.
Nobody here is under any illusions about why people cheat we all get it. That doesn’t mean it’s acceptable.
The enormous monetary incentives around medaling corrupt the spirit of an egalitarian international event.
I’m not saying he’s cheating or shouldn’t have been allowed to compete.
That’s what he’s saying about trans women in spite of he himself having much bigger advantages than any trans woman ever did.
BTW, the rest of your strawman argument aside, Bolt actually has a very atypical build for a sprinter. Most of the best sprinters ever have been of slightly below average height and compact of build.
A former trainer of his put it thusly: “he’s built less like a human sprinter and more like a thoroughbred racing horse” 😄
Oh he’s the only tall broad shoulder swimmer body man who competes in the olympics? I wasn’t aware. I guess all the people I saw this last week who had the exact same body type as him we’re mirages. What absolute nonsense your argument is.
Oh he’s the only tall broad shoulder swimmer body man who competes in the olympics
Obviously not. He has several genetic advantages that other top swimmers don’t, as detailed in the article you clearly didn’t read.
Here’s a short summary:
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He stands tall at 6’4″, which is the ideal height for swimming. The average height of an Olympic finalist in 2016 was 6’2″
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His arm span is 6’7″, 3 inches more than his height. Generally, a person’s arm span is equal to their height, but Phelps is not an ordinary person. This anomalous characteristic gives him an absurd amount of pulling power in the water. Basically, his arms work as powerful propulsive (boat) paddles in a more efficient way than his competitors.
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His upper body is that of a 6 ‘8 “man. With each stroke, he can have amazing reach, pulling him through the water ahead of the competition.
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his lower body is only 5 ’10 “long, which is beneficial as it reduces drag against water.
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Phelps has huge palms that support his paddling ability, essentially acting as flippers
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he also has abnormally large feet with extremely flexible ankles, basically functioning like the tail fin of a shark
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Phelps’s body produces half as much lactic acid as his rivals, significantly shortening his recovery time and allowing him to endure longer swims without slowing down.
Source: Science ABC
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