They’ve undoubtedly been preparing for this day in some capacity. If they didn’t and collapse then yes they chose a stupid business model. But until that happens I think this is a premature statement.
It is shocking to me how many people on Lemmy hate Firefox, which is basically the only real non-chromium alternative that most people can use with minimal compromises. So many people hate Google here yet y’all seem to hate the only viable competitor even more. It’s bizarre to me.
It is shocking to me how many people on Lemmy hate Firefox
Although some people are Google fanbois or reactionary dumbasses, I think most of what you’re misinterpreting as “Firefox hate” is actually love for Firefox and hate for what Mozilla has done to it.
Most Firefox-critics’ feelings towards it are more like this:
Consider that many of the same people think of Arch as a viable daily driver distro for the everyman. Some folks are more accepting of jank than others.
Those are just people who forgot what it was like to not be confident/super knowledgeable with computers and have lost the ability to talk about how to help “the average” user.
this does mystify me. only time I nearly dropped firefox was when they did the big change that broke add ons but firefox with the addons I like is the best browser for me. nothing they have done has been consequentially bad. philosophically maybe but the actual effect is not bad compared to any other options.
I think people make a way too big of a deal out of the “Google is the default search engine” thing. If you are worried about that, you can turn it off with like two clicks. For the money they are (were I guess) handed to set that it’s clearly worth it and I would’ve done the same exact thing.
Besides that I just don’t think there is enough reason to be so anti-Firefox. Especially given our current internet climate. And for those who really are that adamant, there are plenty of forks.
For the money they are (were I guess) handed to set that it’s clearly worth it.
Not disagreeing with you. I just want to point out that Google is probably deliberately “overpaying” on this Mozilla deal, because they want to keep Firefox afloat, because they don’t want to catch a court ruling that they are monopolizing the browser market too.
Dirty tricks with web browsers is the antitrust charge that actually caught Microsoft in the 90s.
I mean let Google play their stupid game and cash the checks. I understand the moral question here but in reality we make compromises, and that compromise didn’t fundamentally break Firefox or make it suddenly untrustworthy. This has always been out in the open and with clear, simple consequences. Mozilla/Firefox get money, Google is default (but easily changeable) search engine.
I always got the opposite impression: people here love Firefox. But it seems that’s part of why they’re critical of its shortcomings.
At least for me, if I’m criticizing something, it probably means I care at least a little bit about whatever I’m criticizing. Not worth time talking about things I actually dislike.
I’d like you to show me how Mozilla is operating on the same evil level as Google. There’s no way you can make that argument. And yes “less bad” by orders of magnitude is way better and enough for me to use Firefox over Chrome.
Don’t you think they dabbled on stupid projects and acquired some companies like pocket precisely because just a browser wasn’t enough to pay the bills?
Mozilla chose a stupid business model. 🤷
They’ve undoubtedly been preparing for this day in some capacity. If they didn’t and collapse then yes they chose a stupid business model. But until that happens I think this is a premature statement.
It is shocking to me how many people on Lemmy hate Firefox, which is basically the only real non-chromium alternative that most people can use with minimal compromises. So many people hate Google here yet y’all seem to hate the only viable competitor even more. It’s bizarre to me.
Although some people are Google fanbois or reactionary dumbasses, I think most of what you’re misinterpreting as “Firefox hate” is actually love for Firefox and hate for what Mozilla has done to it.
Most Firefox-critics’ feelings towards it are more like this:
Love the browser, hate the corpos desperately trying to fuck it up because that’s the cool thing to do to your software now days.
I remember building Phoenix from source when it was basically still an experiment to decouple it from the suite. Good times.
Yes. 😢
Consider that many of the same people think of Arch as a viable daily driver distro for the everyman. Some folks are more accepting of jank than others.
Those are just people who forgot what it was like to not be confident/super knowledgeable with computers and have lost the ability to talk about how to help “the average” user.
this does mystify me. only time I nearly dropped firefox was when they did the big change that broke add ons but firefox with the addons I like is the best browser for me. nothing they have done has been consequentially bad. philosophically maybe but the actual effect is not bad compared to any other options.
I think people make a way too big of a deal out of the “Google is the default search engine” thing. If you are worried about that, you can turn it off with like two clicks. For the money they are (were I guess) handed to set that it’s clearly worth it and I would’ve done the same exact thing.
Besides that I just don’t think there is enough reason to be so anti-Firefox. Especially given our current internet climate. And for those who really are that adamant, there are plenty of forks.
oh yeah. duck duck go is for my firefox. duck duck go is another one with a lot of drama that amounts to nothing. have tried a few alts but went back.
Same. DDG is fine/flawed, google is terrible (morally and otherwise) and the results are actively getting worse.
Not disagreeing with you. I just want to point out that Google is probably deliberately “overpaying” on this Mozilla deal, because they want to keep Firefox afloat, because they don’t want to catch a court ruling that they are monopolizing the browser market too.
Dirty tricks with web browsers is the antitrust charge that actually caught Microsoft in the 90s.
I mean let Google play their stupid game and cash the checks. I understand the moral question here but in reality we make compromises, and that compromise didn’t fundamentally break Firefox or make it suddenly untrustworthy. This has always been out in the open and with clear, simple consequences. Mozilla/Firefox get money, Google is default (but easily changeable) search engine.
I always got the opposite impression: people here love Firefox. But it seems that’s part of why they’re critical of its shortcomings.
At least for me, if I’m criticizing something, it probably means I care at least a little bit about whatever I’m criticizing. Not worth time talking about things I actually dislike.
I don’t think people hate Firefox as much as people hate Mozilla and what they’re doing with Firefox.
its an emotional reaction. google has always been bad, them doing a bad thing is just business as usual. who cares
but when mozilla does something bad? mozilla is supposed to be the good guy! they betrayed us!
I’d like you to show me how Mozilla is operating on the same evil level as Google. There’s no way you can make that argument. And yes “less bad” by orders of magnitude is way better and enough for me to use Firefox over Chrome.
its an emotional reaction, not a rational one. i know mozilla, despite its problems, is faaaar from being as bad as google
to be clear i don’t hate mozilla, i do hate google, and i feel like the hate mozilla gets is way overblown, even if their actions are disappointing
Only viable competitor is a bizarre thing to drop when browsers like Opera exist.
Built on chromium.
Don’t you think they dabbled on stupid projects and acquired some companies like pocket precisely because just a browser wasn’t enough to pay the bills?
That’s why Mozilla Foundation shouldn’t have created Mozilla Corporation in first place.