Truly a pretty terrible place for any kind of social activity.
People here are super self righteous and unwavering in their beliefs, quick to insult others and be generally removed, pedantic and quick to dogpile. Worst of all while still usually slightly wrong about a thing, but unwilling to hear it.
It’s basically the worst parts of reddit users where we have boiled it down to the most affluent or socially insecure.
Even if it’s as simple as a question people jump to defend their position with insults rather than answer it cause they get worried the person might be confused and it’s best to just make sure it’s a closed community as quick as possible.
This isn’t an open community it’s a private gated one where everyone jumped the fence and is scared that the wrong person might have come in with them.
Condescending is not welcoming.
Upvoting cause they are your in group isn’t community.
Berating outcasts cause you at least don’t feel like them is still bullying.
You forgot where their feelings about a subject hold more weight that your facts. Its usually over some childish pearlclutching.
I have a different experience. I have not blocked anyone or amt instance. I am om lemmy.world, so that might be it?
It has some crazy, but I’ve found it refreshingly with it in many ways. People here generally understand that getting paid enough money instead of ripped off by a billionaire is good. The stuff you shouldn’t have to filter for.
Yeah the topics aren’t necessarily the problem it’s how it’s not a conversation most of the time it’s just snarky fighting to be the most right or up voted cause they act like they are right.
I would hope it’s not these topics making people shutty or else that doesn’t bode well for them.
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I can see why you hate everyone here. 🫠
What? If you got stuff say it.
Well that’s piqued my interest so I glanced over your comments. I have to point out that yes, people respond badly to you sometimes, reminding me of reddit.
You should know that you seem unaware that your comments occasionally have a pugnacious or even bellicose tone, not necessarily intentionally mind you, but noticeable. Sometimes dismissive or contemptuous attitudes leak out and hostile replies state they are responding to that. It’s not simple bullying, it’s buttons being pushed.
Thank you! I actually appreciate the honesty. That’s something I can work with.
Maybe, hopefully.
I don’t think it is far different from the snark I see but I don’t think I should emulate that I guess if I hate it when done to me. I just don’t like having to take the high road just cause I apparently invite it.
Twitter made me hate people. FB made me realize just how dumb people are. Reddit made me realize that there are no good guys in positions of power. Bluesky is actually pretty chill. But I prefer this format. A forum style.
One thing I noticed is alot of people on Lemmy think that everything on the internet should be free and have no ads. In a perfect world this would be great but most of the sites people regularly use are expensive to operate and wouldn’t exist. I do use as blocker and pirate stuff sometimes but I also pay for YouTube premium and a couple other services. Plus I go to movie theaters whenever there is a movie I really want to see and support.
I see your instance is federated with both Hexbear and Lemmygrad. Going to gesture vaguely at that being the root of your problem (or at least > 90% of it).
Blocking instances helps, but you’ll still see users from there in the comments and in other communities (not on the blocked instance). Some UIs will hide users from blocked instances. I know Tesseract does (I wrote it to do that), but others might as well.
My experience here has been pretty great after getting my blocklist and feed curated.
Yeah I am also federated with lemmy.world and blocking that would silence the feed a whole lots more while being just as helpful to my psyche.
The commies are at least consistent and up to date on things. Which is insane since they insist on a economic system from 200 years ago.I think the problem I have is that those outside of grad and hexbear also think their shit doesn’t stink but I literally have seen people openly mocking a user for nothing because he made a comment elsewhere that means they keep going after him to punish him for his opinion on anything. It’s cruel and fucking inhuman. It lacks all empathy and it’s not hexbear that was doing it.
I also don’t want to block people just for existing with other opinions. I couldnt do it in real life. I can choose to not interact.
Blocking feels like a bandaid for having a terrible community where everyone wants to be alone and right.Am a mod of a few smaller communities but I think I speak for a lot of us. We aren’t in every thread, but if you see rule breaking, report it. That’s what we’re there for. I know that sort of behavior is against the rules in my subs.
Yeah I think I’ve realized I’m really only seeing the basic big theads on lemmy.world and the moderation there is kill or be killed and whatever the mods giggle at is allowed. Which means they let dogpiling happen if it seems deserved.
I’m apparently in a rather small instance.
The benefit of the smaller instances IMO, you definitely get more control over your feed. Mods are still helpful, but reports do go to admins of your instance too.
I think the problem I have is that those outside of grad and hexbear also think their shit doesn’t stink but I literally have seen people openly mocking a user for nothing because he made a comment elsewhere that means they keep going after him to punish him for his opinion on anything. It’s cruel and fucking inhuman. It lacks all empathy and it’s not hexbear that was doing it.
Feel free to report this. This should not be tolerated.
Hahahahahahaha ohhhh… Yeah like that does anything. I’ve seen mods joke about it just being the person they all gang up on as if it was the thing to do.
I’ve had some good interactions with mods, but that… Was 1 person actually. Same mod basically.The mods are a lot of the same people and someone from “outside” telling them they are horrified just brands you as another target for them to ignore as you get silenced out. The big communities are absolutely the worst offenders.
If they are mods, then you can shame them on !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com
You can have a look, nobody hesitates to call out crappy mod behaviour
Edit: seems like your instance is not federated, this is what it looks like: https://sopuli.xyz/c/yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com
There are instances federating with hexbear and not dbo? Shits wack.
No, it’s more than as their instance is quite small, nobody federated with that precise community
I mean, it’s an active choice by the instance admins at that point. Hexbear and lemmygrad are both well known for being what they are, and db0 is about as well known as a community in general and is one of the generally recommended federation choices.
Hahaha oh my God that’s kinda fun. Sorta a go scream on a mountain top style solution but a fun one at least.
I filed a few of these reports myself, it’s nice.
And you can use them to send to people posting to a community held by a powertripper. They help making a change.
Wait until someone tells this guy how old capitalism is
I know that just fine. So what would knowing that matter or do for me? Or my comment?
Which is insane since they insist on a economic system from 200 years ago.
I think it’s just that your argument against communism seemed to be based on its age, i.e. it “being old and out dated.”
(Agree communism is not great FWIW)
Yeah i thought it was a clever dig against it and also fun turn since I think I have had better conversations about modern day pop culture on hexbear.
I just wasn’t exactly in favor of capitalism anyways just wasn’t the point.
Thanks for being my sanity check on that.
I question what your criteria for a good pop culture discussion is if you enjoy discussions with a bunch of angry neckbeards
They like to watch modern movies and shows that aren’t marvel, usually have good takes on influencera in here and have the right hate for vtubers.
Plus I think they are just closer to my age and social awkward nerds that are easy to call neckbeards. I’m not gonna get pop culture references of Gen X who seem to make a majority in here.
+1 for unpopular. I think planet earth is worse platform.
Yeah well you try implementing physics to prevent activity from being contrived!
Yeah I’m starting to think it’s just nature of people to be shitty.
Any subject at all and if someone thinks themselves better than you (and they will) then it’s practically pointless. They just like the high of feeling right more than anything else.
Edit: also near 50/50 split so I guess this was an unpopular opinion
Get a instance that doesn’t federate with .ml instances or hexbear, block the Lemmy.world political communities and you can enjoy Lemmy mostly without assholes.
Must be a different Lemmy you’re talking about. My experience has been nothing like that and generally quite positive.
Ok. Thanks for chiming in.
Have a specific community you like to interact with or are you a Linux user?
There’s more than Linux for nice communities
Lol I’m in basically all of those already except houseplants and inktober
At this point, i’m having a decent time here but I also have a decent block list, an instance blocked, and another mostly blocked.
I don’t mind the commies too much, since I’m an ancom, though I have argued with them on my previous main account a lot, and it did get exhausting since some communities dogmatically support specific arguments that have been proven wrong a hundred years ago or are based on strawmen, or fundamental misunderstandings, or on viewpoints that haven’t been mainstream since the 1800s.
Lemmy has changed a bit since I joined when reddit announced their api changes. It used to be more radical, but I’ve seen a lot more centrists and center left folks join, and I think the mixing of that has caused a fuckton of drama.
Though I don’t see a lot of insults anymore. I’ve been insulted a million different ways, but since march or april I’ve seen a reduction in people calling me a slur or people calling me a fascist or trumper even though my position is to the left of theirs. I remember being insulted incessantly after October of last year.
I tend to be careful where I reply with political talk (AKA not on .world or most hexbear communities) but the non political communities are wonderful. I fucking love the queer communities here (even on hexbear) and the open source communities are also great.
I just hope the toxicity drops to what I remember around June or July of last year once elections end.
Nice.
I actually think I agree with a lot of your points but just got called a “shitheed” like 20 minutes ago by someone that clearly doesn’t agree on dictionary definitions.
But I also make the mistake of trying to bring a rational take I hope in the big communities and that is not welcomed.But I think your block list is just better at covering those people as well cause I could give pretty specific names for people that have come at me and gone through my other comments to further insult me.
I’m thinking it’s real world stress and isolation torrenting in and the anonymous nature makes it easy to treat people on the other side like garbage cause “what does it matter”
Maybe should ban those people but I see a lot of agreement with that kind of treatment of others and it’s like being bullied in school all over again.
But I also make the mistake of trying to bring a rational take I hope in the big communities and that is not welcomed
I think the best way to avoid getting insulted just to conduct yourself carefully.
What you said sounds haughty. It implies that everyone else is irrational and you are the sole voice of reason, and that you are ultimately right and that’s why people are taking issue with you. Things like that is what leads to insults flying. Even if you didn’t intend that, it is impossible to know that from the text alone.
If you are talking online to “be right” rather than to discuss and debate, it will come through. And this is true even if you are literally correct in a case and have a dictionary definition as proof. People would rather talk to someone who isn’t trying to “be right” even if they are arguing on which view is correct. It’s about how you say things, and why you are bothering to engage.
Part of why I rarely get insulted is because I’m careful with my conduct. Even when I doubt the person on the other side of the screen is being genuine, act as if they are. Those feelings have been wrong a few times, and if I used that feeling as a way to be rude and say “you are a disingenuous person” I can skip saying that and counter the disingenuous bit.
How I approach responses is usually done in such a way that I try and prevent escalation. I’m not perfect, I often get on lemmy when I’m drunk and on the train ride home, or waiting for alcohol to wear off after drinking with friends online before going to bed. And usually I don’t have much of a filter then.
The only time I ever get insulted anymore is when I’m dealing with zionists or people on the right, since we are diametrically opposed in our views. Specifically in the case of Zionists, I have a hard time being respectful though I try initially. Plus, they will always be incredibly demeaning and go “BuT YoU ArE QqUeEr tHaT meAnS tHeY wOuLd KilL YoU OvEr ThErE” while not even considering the fact that, at this point, Israel has very likely killed more queers than any Palestinian vigilante or governmental system that they are imagining. Hard to keep your cool when things like that happen, though I usually drop a meme that points out how horrid that position is and block em, since it isn’t worth continuing.
As for my thoughts about why people are dicks online, i think it’s the lack of face to face communication leads people to be less respectful which over a few comments will escalate. And I think that people will often take something that would obviously not be seen as an attack in a face to face conversation as an attack online, where there is less context from tone or body language. I think that some people are socialized to be shitty to their political opponents due to the current media ecosystem. And most importantly, there are much fewer consequences. But i don’t think anonymity is a factor.
I protest a lot, and in most cases I opt to maintain anonymity. But I don’t always. I’ve been at pride marches far enough from home that I don’t feel the need to make any effort to remain anonymous, and even at those I’ve seen people be shitty to my face, or to other people/the crowd. I’ll never see those folks again once I leave.
Hell, I remember a fuckton of name calling and bullying at school when there was no anonymity.
Finally, as for my blocklist, the point of a blocklist is to separate you from people you won’t get along with. If someone is going through your history to downvote you or insult you, that is what it is for. Blocklists have to be tuned and maintained by design in order to work.
Asking the bullied to conduct themselves carefully is exactly my point why I don’t like this place.
You are assuming the conversations that I’m upset about but it’s ones where I ask a question and get told I’m trolling and a liar for not knowing something or a liar for knowing something.
I shared details about physics of material fabrication in space once in a thread had a person just “nuh-uh” me and call me names and then people all agreed with him despite the fact that I tried to point I had a dual major in theoretical astrophysics and Astro xenobiology.
Like whoever gets the people laughing and speaks like they have a big enough dick around here is still right by default. That isn’t a community it’s a cesspit.
I just hate the idea of blocking people for one time being a jerk. I’ve disagreed with people then agreed with them later.
I dunno I seem to want something that might not exist? It sure as heck feels lonely.
I find that if you avoid the political and news forums and some of the meme forums, you avoid 90% of the assholery that exists on Lemmy. But that’s true for Reddit as well and I think is probably just a truism about the internet in general.
It’s not really the people, I think, that is the problem; it’s that people feel strongly about politics and when they have the anonymity and disconnection of the internet to free them from true social accountability, we express ourselves in increasingly overconfident and arrogant ways, which obviously pisses other people off and creates arguments. In other words, the internet is ideal for festering toxic debating environments. Our psychology just wasn’t meant for it.
Someone argued with me and called me a lot of rude things cause I called them privileged for them saying everyone should just buy an extra computer that they can use to run linux.
Like when I called them out on it and said it’s a lot for people to just buy multiple devices for the sake of being both on Linux and Windows if people don’t have a purpose for Linux he called me a troll and spoke down to me as if his existence and level of life was what everyone else lives.
It’s not just politics. It’s not even the politics that upsets me it’s the condescending self righteous know it all attitude that’s everywhere in this platform. That their life is objectively the way to be. It’s pompous and that’s absolutely the users.
cause I called them privileged
I mean, if you cast the first stone, don’t be surprised if people pelt you back, dude.
Third message after they told me to “get gud” for not being able to buy another PC and then treating me like a toddler for saying it didn’t make sense to own multiple PCs just to have one we don’t use for Linux and he asked if he “held my little hand long enough”
I ain’t casting many stones first unless you consider the questions and the follows up an invitation to attack.
Some Linux users can be so toxic it’s cringe.
And I use Linux.
Any link to that thread?
Hm, they still said
If you weren’t trying to be rude and it came off that way by mistake, my bad
But yeah, not the best interaction indeed
Yeah I was already upset by that point and they started by still doubting that I just wanted to ask a question and called me a bullshitter…
But it’s my point. It makes conversations a fight to be right more than a conversation with no backing off. And by the end it just becomes 2 people being awful to each other for spectators.
It feels bad from my perspective and I don’t learn anything.I think the platform inspires snark and winner takes all mentality.
I think the platform inspires snark and winner takes all mentality.
It’s really community dependant. As I said, tech communities can be quite toxic
Like most people say if you want more pleasant experience, it’d be better to avoid politics.
Dank memes is also tangled with politics and crudeness anymore and outlived their days.
Also you don’t need to feel obligated to respond to rude or unpleasant people, just block em’ and go about your own interest.
Lastly treat others how you would like to be treated. If you just go around trying to counterpoint argue and call everyone terrible then you might suffer some backlash.
There are two keys to success for an internet community:
- limit the conversation to a circumscribed subject
- have decent moderation
This has not changed since the 90s. It’s the reason that any community devoted to “world news” or “politics”, whether it be here or on the R-site or anywhere else, is destined be a train wreck whereas one on “gardening” or “classic BMWs” or whatever will generally be pleasant.
Fair-minded moderation is what turns a cesspool into a merely unpleasant hangout, or a decent community into a great one.
IMO the gold standard for a successful community is clearly Hacker News, which (logically) combines a well-defined purpose with top-notch moderation. Rather than just deleting comments and handing out bans, the moderator there intervenes in discussions to push them back on course, often in a plaintive manner that appeals to people’s good sides. The positive results of this approach were even the subject of a feature article in the New Yorker.
This is a not a technical problem as much as a human one. Restrict the bounds of conversation, then take a smart approach to moderation. Success will follow.
Sorry to hear.
I see you from time to time on !movies@lemm.ee, hopefully you don’t hate people there, we try to keep it nice.
Feel free to join !casualconversation@lemm.ee if you want a more laid-back experience.
Nah I love the movies community. I was able to talk about the weirdest thing I’ve seen all year Megalopolis over there. Literally just wrote a comment about it.
Rough day elsewhere on the platform. Rough month really.
But thank you maybe I will check it out!
After I finally get to watch it I’ll be over there with my thoughts. I can’t wait to see it.
The middle is a rough spot but make it through and I think Coppola tries to reward you in the best ways.
Thank you for that comment, happy that you like the community
Sure, see you around!
