• Grassgrowz@lemmy.worldEnglish
    51·
    7 days ago

    Ever since I stopped gaming as much, linux has become infinitely more fitting to me. My main driver is Mint 21.3, it does everything i want it to. Its fun, and a great learning experience. Though obviously you gotta want to learn how to fix things if things go wrong, which they still do, but mostly at the beginning. After installing the right graphics drivers, and fixing touchpad scroll speed, everythings smooth sailing.

  • nerv@lemmynsfw.com
    3·
    7 days ago

    Linux has been ready for the last twenty and I am not afraid to say it. Before moving over, I used to be the biggest Window$ fanboy you could find. I would literally preach at the smallest opportunity available and make everyone in a 10 meters radius around me groan and roll their eyeball so hard they would fall off their skull.

    Then I go and buy a new laptop that I was told didn’t have a pre-installed OS after paying for it. Because I had zero extra money to go and buy a copy of Window$, I ask a coworker to hook me up with something and in the time it took me to go from the store to my job, I had a SUSE Linux disk waiting for me. Back in 2005.

    I unpack the laptop, we boot it to have access to the CD drive and the damn thing starts to boot into an unannounced Window$ Vi$ta. Apparently there was a Window$, unfortunately it was the wrong version, because at this point in time, for me, it was either Window$ XP or nothing. My coworker shows me how to setup up SUSE, which took all of two hours to achieve, including mannually configuring sound and graphics card. The machine is now dual booting.

    Out of morbid curiosity, I play a bit on Vi$ta. It’s slow, clunky, things are not where they should be. The machine burns through the battery in under 2 hours, under conservative energy settings, while under an OS I was previously completely unfamilliar with I feel more at ease, using GNOME as my desktop and the battery management is good enough that those two hours of battery life get stretched closer to three. This is roughly a 50% increase.

    Remember I was this big fanboy? No M$Office, no WinAmp, no WinZip, no nothing. I’m lost. Right? Wrong. With zero effort, I get all the software I require for my daily life and then some. And it comes pre-installed. No need to rely on shady websites to get software. No hassle. No headaches. It just works.

    Fast forward today.

    I have zero machines in my home with Window$. I don’t use it. I still know how to but I don’t. I don’t recommend it. I only advise using FOSS, if the person is a terminal locked-in Window$ user.

    So… Linux is ready.

  • Other@lemmy.ca
    1·
    7 days ago

    I wish I could use linux, most (not all) of the apps I use regularly are better on a linux distro. I self host a lot of services on linux machines, and god I would love to rid myself of Microsoft. But my main computer OS? still stuck with Windows.

    I just (a few years ago) upgraded my graphics card and at that time NVidia had a better deal then AMD… I’m not sst to upgrade for at least 5 years still. Every distro I’ve tested have weird problems that cannot be solved by a few lines of code, all seem to point to Nvidia, but it’s hard to say without testing without.

    My main computer is working as is with Windows, until there is a linux distro that just works with nvidia, I’ll stick to it and the many tools I have to keep my things as private from Microsoft as I can. One of the many problems I’ve had is the task bar/desktop/windows hang/freezes, have to go in the terminal to reboot or force a shutdown. If I have to reboot everytime I want to use the computer and reset all my apps, when the only times it happens now is when windows forces it : not for me thanks.

    • cygnus@lemmy.ca
      491·
      9 days ago

      I really, REALLY wish the Affinity suite would work on Linux. They are the only ones even remotely comparable to Adobe.

      • MudMan@fedia.io
        7·
        9 days ago

        Yeah, it’s what I use these days and yeah, that’d be nice. It isn’t the all-in-one package you get with PS, but for casual use in photo editing it’s decent and there are alternatives for some of the other use cases of PS that are closer while still being a fraction of the cost when stacked on top of Affinity.

    • SmokeyDope@lemmy.worldEnglish
      321·
      9 days ago

      I use gimp for pixel art for game textures and to make memes. It has tons of features that nobody knows about becuase they’re fucked by horrendous UI. But theres never been anything I needed to to but couldnt after looking up a tutorial on the internet. Valid points against gimp but lets not pretend people used to photoshop arent also kind of stuck in their old workflow habits and unwilling to relearn new software UI.

      Theres photogimp but it hasn’t been worked on in a while.

      Also also, most people who use gimp on linux probably did so on a stable distro like Mint installing with default package manager. This means their experience with gimp is from a terribly old outdated version. Flatpaks have some issues but being able to easily install the most current version of software like gimp or kdenlive is night and day difference.

      • uis@lemm.ee
        51·
        8 days ago

        Also also, most people who use gimp on linux probably did so on a stable distro like Mint installing with default package manager. This means their experience with gimp is from a terribly old outdated version. Flatpaks have some issues but being able to easily install the most current version of software like gimp or kdenlive is night and day difference.

        Another reason to use Gentoo: https://packages.gentoo.org/packages/media-gfx/gimp

        You can install 3.0.0rc2 or even git version.

        • SmokeyDope@lemmy.worldEnglish
          6·
          8 days ago

          Oh cool! Let me just spend three weeks crawling through wiki articles, setting flags in the config files, and patching out 15 different issues with various drivers then installing 20 dependencies compiling them all from source.

          Hyperbole, but yeah no thanks I’ll take the L on some optimization and 2gb of storage space and some wierd file system locations for files to load a flatpak if old stable doesn’t cut it. you might want to be careful recommending gentoo to people they might not know better. Most Linux nerds don’t want to open that can of worms, but good for you if it works.

          • umbrella@lemmy.ml
            3·
            8 days ago

            also goes for arch. its fun, it helps you learn, ive used it before but if you are a newbie you will break stuff. things will break too, depending on your setup. use it if you are ok with that.

    • dangling_cat@lemmy.blahaj.zone
      22·
      9 days ago

      Photopea was written by a single college grad, and it’s miles better than gimp. While gimp has more resources and manpowers. Something is seriously wrong with their team.

      • NotSteve_@lemmy.ca
        12·
        8 days ago

        Photopea blows me away. You can actually follow along in a lot of PS tutorials just using Photopea. It’s got so many features implemented

      • uis@lemm.ee
        3·
        8 days ago

        Photopea uses rendering by browser. And probably doesn’t have plugin system.

        • zelnix@lemmy.ml
          61·
          8 days ago

          And? so what? It doesn’t matter if GIMP has a plugin system. The UI is so shit you have to google everything to figure out how to use it and even then it’s still complicated.

    • verdigris@lemmy.ml
      8·
      9 days ago

      Gimp has a few weak spots but it’s an incredibly capable tool and if you think phone apps can do things it can’t then I don’t think you know how to use it.

    • Hackworth@lemmy.worldEnglish
      51·
      9 days ago

      To run Resolve properly, you apparently have to run DaVinci’s flavor of Rocky Linux 8.6. If you’re doing other things with that machine, this may be undesirable. And as far as I know, there’s no equivalent for After Effects.

    • UprisingVoltage@feddit.it
      3·
      8 days ago

      Even for hobbyist needs the feature set is basically a decade behind.

      I mean, Gimp 3 ia looking pretty good to me. Maybe it’s not fit for a workplace (even though it depends on the workplace imo) but it’s definitely more than enough for hobbyists.

      Would you mind citing some example of fundamental missing features?

      Not trying to be a smartass, just genuinely curious

    • _carmin@lemm.eeOPEnglish
      2523·
      9 days ago

      You’re telling me this free, volunteer-run feature full software isn’t almost as good as the multi-million dollar product from a multi-billion dollar company?

      If this dude can edit his videos and images on Linux so can you Mr Van Gogh. https://youtu.be/lm51xZHZI6g

      • BradleyUffner@lemmy.worldEnglish
        357·
        9 days ago

        Yes, that’s what we’re saying. It’s fine though, I don’t expect developers to work miracles for free, they are doing an amazing job, but In the context of “Linux being ready” it’s important to recognize some honest truths.

        • MudMan@fedia.io
          101·
          9 days ago

          But also, whenever someone pulls that card I just point at Blender until they go away.

          Hell, there is such a widespread appetite for a PS alternative you’d think it’d be easier for Gimp than Blender at this point.

          • tritonium@midwest.social
            10·
            8 days ago

            Or OBS. Or VLC. Or Kodi. Or Home Assistant. I can lists tons of FOSS apps that are better than alternatives developed by large companies.

        • wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          91·
          9 days ago

          Thank you. All of this libre software is amazing, and impressive as hell, but that doesn’t exempt it from having usability issues and other valid points of criticism.

          Calling that out isn’t inherently anti-Linux or anti open source. I want all of these tools to improve to the point that there’s no fucking contest and they are the de facto standard (like blender is), but shit is going to have a harder time improving if people have blinders to valid criticism.

      • Feathercrown@lemmy.worldEnglish
        235·
        9 days ago

        Users do not care about how hard the devs are working for free. If the software doesn’t have the features, it’s not ready.

        Really think about this. You’re saying two entirely contradictory things:

        1. Linux software is ready to compete with Windows

        2. Users cannot expect Linux software to have comparable features to Windows

        How will it compete without comparable features? Passion and morals aren’t valued over effectiveness by most users.

        • tritonium@midwest.social
          41·
          8 days ago

          Lmao. Windows does not have comparable features to Linux. I have to use Windows for work… it’s waaay behind Linux.

        • Captain Aggravated@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          41·
          9 days ago

          GIMP’s engine is very good. It’s UI is cuntpuke.

          Somebody write a QT front end for Imagemagick and you’ll probably see Linux adoption jump.

      • TrickDacy@lemmy.world
        83·
        9 days ago

        You’re telling me this free, volunteer-run feature full software isn’t almost as good as the multi-million dollar product from a multi-billion dollar company?

        You’re describing the truth about Linux vs windows, except many Linux oses are better than anything ms makes.

        • _____@lemm.eeEnglish
          62·
          9 days ago

          I think Windows could be a far better OS than Linux if Microsoft gave a single shit. Instead they want to add AI and recall and various invasive updates.

          The only thing windows has going is the market share.

          • TrickDacy@lemmy.world
            2·
            9 days ago

            Could, true, but never has, never will. As long as it uses a janky non-standard kernel underneath, I’m gonna be hating on it.

            • _____@lemm.eeEnglish
              62·
              9 days ago

              Yeah. it’s dogshit but they certainly have the capacity to improve. it’s clear where their priorities are: milk users for profit

          • tritonium@midwest.social
            1·
            8 days ago

            Nope. The way you interact with your computer, the DE, is way behind in Windows. Every major Linux DE runs circles around Windows. Every time I have to use Windows it feels like I’m wading through 3ft of shit in slow motion. Because I know how much faster I could do the same things in Linux.

    • Richard@lemmy.worldEnglish
      75·
      9 days ago

      I can guarantee you that no app on or for your phone can do a fraction of what GIMP is capable of.

    • SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world
      1016·
      9 days ago

      I’ve been using the Gimp for decades to great effect. Git gud (pin intended). Also, all phone photo editors are garbage.

  • flop_leash_973@lemmy.world
    661·
    9 days ago

    Thanks to the likes of Proton, gaming on Linux is a hell of a lot better than it was ~5 years ago. You can actually do it now for the most part without to much fuss in my experience as long as you stick to Steam.

    But once you leave Steam or get something brand new made by an EA type and have to lean on third party implementations of Proton or raw Wine to get things working it gets a lot worse.

      • Natanox@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
        10·
        8 days ago

        Lutris is also a great option, actively contributing to it. Got a slightly different focus than Heroic, but a lot more features as well. Basically a one-stop shop once you got familiar with it. Really needs more people that can contribute though given the huge amount of platforms and launchers it attempts to cover (literally all of them).

    • JackbyDev@programming.devEnglish
      222·
      9 days ago

      Also, for folks out of the loop, let me explain what this entails. I installed Steam. I clicked install on a game. I clicked play in Steam. That was it. Proton isn’t some sort of thing you need to install or launch separately. It really does “just work”.

      I’m able to play Deep Rock Galactic, Helldivers 2, and even Marvel Rivals online just fine. All of these are online multiplayer games, the types that generally seem to have the most trouble on Linux.

      • snowe@programming.dev
        102·
        9 days ago

        that is most definitely not the process. You have to explicitly go into Steam’s settings > Compatibility > “Enable Steam Play for all other titles” (what in the world, it’s called Steam Play, not Proton?) and then additionally select which Proton version you want. If you don’t know this, or don’t google it with the right keywords, you won’t understand why literally 90% of your library isn’t available (in my case it was 99% of my library, I think I only had 3 games available on linux natively). Also if you select the wrong Proton version some games won’t run, so you have to know that and switch it for those games only.

        • FauxLiving@lemmy.world
          91·
          9 days ago

          They’re likely using a gaming distro that has those settings enabled by default.

          It isn’t perfectly seamless but enabling Steam Play or changing proton versions isn’t any more of an advanced task than verifying game files (something that Windows users are asked to do the moment that they have a problem).

          It has come a long way from the days of manually creating wine environments and writing custom launch files.

          If you can install Skyrim or Minecraft mods (not using Steam Workshop) then you’re sophisticated enough to game on gaming distros like Pop and Bazzite.

          If you can use cheat engine without a guide and write your own mods then you’re ready for Arch.

    • YarHarSuperstar@lemmy.worldEnglish
      181·
      9 days ago

      Agreed, but I think it’s important to note that that isn’t because of a shortcoming of Linux, it’s because those companies are incentivized to support platforms that are more suitable for enabling massive profits, that’s what it seems like to me anyways.

          • Kecessa@sh.itjust.works
            17·
            9 days ago

            It’s not important to note something that is speculative.

            “It’s important to note that YarHarSuperstar probably doesn’t even run Linux.”

            See?

            • YarHarSuperstar@lemmy.worldEnglish
              21·
              8 days ago

              That’s your opinion and you have the right to express it. I disagree obviously, that’s why if you’ll pay very close attention to the words I used, it says “I think” before I said that.

              • Kecessa@sh.itjust.works
                13·
                8 days ago

                You start by presenting it as a fact “keep in mind that it’s not because of X, but because of Y” then specify that’s it’s what “it seems like” but don’t provide any proof of, therefore there’s nothing important to note about what you said because you can’t back it with a source.

      • valkyre09@lemmy.world
        5·
        9 days ago

        Can confirm, bought my son a FIFA game on pc that caused so much trouble and confusion on windows with their activation bullshit that I ended up buying him an xbox

    • neidu3@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      16·
      9 days ago

      I know NVIDIA gets a lot of shit, but I’ve honestly never encountered a problem after using nvidia + Linux for well over a decade. Sure, it can be picky when it comes to kernel version, but deciding on a kernel that works well for you and the rest of the system is part of initial setup of a proper system anyway.

      • AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world
        6·
        9 days ago

        Same here. I really don’t know what people do with their machines. I’ve had numerous nvidia gpus for ages without trouble (and litteraly decades of linux).

        Never on laptops though, maybe that’s where problems arise.

          • Natanox@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
            5·
            8 days ago

            There may be a lot of reasons why the problems don’t apply to you guys. Perhaps you just use nouveau. Perhaps you prefer to not use cutting edge hardware. You might stuck to a distro that did an exceptional job. Perhaps it’s also a little bit of selective perception (you might fix something that appears tiny to you, but is a system breaker for others who intimately familiar with Linux).

            What I can say is, after using both desktops and laptops with many different distros for about a decade and now helping my family at moving over to Linux, that there absolutely are a thousand ways for the Nvidia driver to break. On one machine it decided to stop working with Wayland after a kernel upgrade after working fine with it beforehand. On another one the driver utility of Mint failed to install the driver. And on my laptop the driver failed due to Nvidia screwing up their repo for Tumbleweed with faulty dependencies. Also, does “Nvidia repo went offline for half a day, preventing setting up a new system” count? (It’s hosted by Nvidia)

            It’s good to hear you lucked out, however for many users and distro maintainers those drivers are an absolute pain. Assumingly also for Nvidia given they began working on a completely new driver.

        • Russ@bitforged.spaceEnglish
          2·
          8 days ago

          For me, my crime was trying to use Wayland with an Nvidia card before the explicit sync support was added in.

      • xttweaponttx@sh.itjust.works
        2·
        8 days ago

        For real?? 😓 I was rockin a 3080ti on a 4k panel for a bit there and Wayland was impossible to run on Debian-KDE. Like as soon as I got to desktop everything stuttered in slow motion, dpi was janky as hell, and wouldn’t respond to DPI config changes… And that was on a fresh install from Debian’s KDE installation media! 🤔 did ya’ll have to do any tinkering or was Wayland cruising for ya outta the box?

        Had to sell that card as I got tf outta the US anyways (been maining my steam Deck on a dock, which has been fun!), but I’m thinking I’ll go AMD for my next build. VR & Wayland are way better on an AMD GPU, from what I hear!

  • LucidNightmare@lemm.ee
    10754·
    9 days ago

    If the average person can not use your OS, it is not ready. Period.

    For example:

    Windows - Open File Explorer > Add Network Drive > Find/plug it in > Enter creds > Bam. Ready to go and will automatically log you in at boot. Very nice, very intuitive UI.

    Linux - Open Dolphin (or whatever) > Network > Add Network Folder/Find it > Enter creds > Does not automatically mount the drive when booting the computer back up > Must go into fstab to get it to automount > Stop, because that is ridiculous

    In my own experience, I was able to get the hang of Windows with no one showing me how a computer ever worked, at the age of 10! Intuitive enough a child can do it.

    On Linux, you have to read manuals/documentation, ask random (mostly rude) people on the internet, or give up because why the fuck would I want to go and enter 5 commands just to have something as simple as auto mount a network share? Not intuitive, therefore not easy to learn as you go.

    I get it, Linux people like knowing how their computers operate, they like ensuring everything is working the way THEY want to, and that’s awesome! What’s not awesome is recommending Linux to the general populace and then getting upset at them for asking why they can’t do something or why don’t they just do these steps to do whatever it is they are having issues with. Then, you have a person who doesn’t even know what a terminal is confused as hell because they were told Linux is so much better than Windows.

    Until we get a more intuitive (GUI focused) way of doing what I would consider normal computer tasks, it will not ever be ready. That’s just the way I see it.

  • HeckGazer@programming.dev
    35·
    9 days ago

    It certainly sounds like wayland is just about ripe. Any DE recommendations for a lifelong XFCE enjoyer like myself?

    • Hubi@feddit.org
      621·
      9 days ago

      KDE. It’s working very well with Wayland. I’ve been using both on my daily driver for a year now and it’s come a long way since then. It was still a bit rough in the beginning but now I can’t see myself going back. It’s pretty polished.

      • Da Bald Eagul@feddit.nl
        24·
        9 days ago

        I’ve been using KDE Plasma with Wayland for a couple of months and it’s been really good. The apps that don’t support it properly open as an X11 window inside Wayland, which is perfectly fine. I’m not switching back to X11 either haha

      • Yppm@lemy.lolEnglish
        92·
        9 days ago

        I’m not a Linux noob, but I’ve been out of the scene for a few years.

        Recently tried debian with KDE and Wayland on a modern PC with a 3060. Just a default install.

        My mouse could barely track across the screen, it was very choppy and stuttered like crazy.

        This was in the last 6 months. I got it fixed by switching to a different compositor, but I shouldn’t have had to do that. Even then I found YouTube to be super laggy.

        It’s just not ready.

          • wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
            52·
            9 days ago

            I’m glad there are ways to get it working, and thank you for sharing it, but this doesn’t qualify as “it just works, why are you idiots not switching from Windows when Linux just works”.

            This is directly why a lot of people don’t take the arguments that Linux is ready for the average user seriously.

            • Yppm@lemy.lolEnglish
              2·
              8 days ago

              Yea like I said I’m not a total noob. I have built my own Linux From Scratch distro which is something I think most of the users on here would struggle with. All I’m saying is that it’s not a totally smooth and hiccup free experience for normal people. I’m a grown man now and sometimes I just want shit to work cause I only have like an hour to game in the evening.

              I will try Linux again for my daily driver once Win10 support is gone but I will likely try something other than Debian as others have suggested. Something more gaming centric.

        • Hubi@feddit.org
          6·
          9 days ago

          I had the exact same experience with Debian. The thing is, Debian is so many versions behind, it’s really no surprise that you thought it wasn’t ready yet. Try a less “stable” distro, you’ll be surprised.

        • swag_money@lemmy.world
          41·
          9 days ago

          i am a Linux noob. i installed debian KDE wayland with an Nvidia card just like you.

          i experienced similar issues. i couldn’t set my refresh rate above 60Hz, my screen was really dim and stuttering, and video playback was lagging. worst of all my Minecraft framerate was abysmal! (<20fps default settings)

          i read the dang wiki and got everything running smoothly in an afternoon

          it’s ready as fuck

          • Yppm@lemy.lolEnglish
            1·
            8 days ago

            Yes I’m also capable of reading the wiki but it did nothing to help me.

            My point stands that it’s not “ready” for the average person. This is a Linux community of course people here know how to troubleshoot and get shit working.

          • snowe@programming.dev
            32·
            9 days ago

            i read the dang wiki and got everything running smoothly in an afternoon

            that means it’s not ready…

    • BassTurd@lemmy.world
      6·
      9 days ago

      I’m jumping on the kde train. The experience has been solid since plasma 6 and the Wayland jump last year, especially if you are already stuck in the Nvidia family.