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Fuck off every other post is criticizing Democrats
I wish the Democrats were not being complicit with the Nazis and had half as much of the obstruction the right uses when not in power
You get two options with a history of nepotism and complacency. Independent parties stand no chance due to the funding.
Yes, democrats suck, but it’s still better than voting for soulless fascists.
As in criticizing Democrats on their merits or criticizing Democrats as equally bad as Republicans? Big difference between the two.
I think this is a fair POV. No one is perfect. Thinking that you cannot criticise something you are part of, you like, or are somehow related to, is just childish.
All you guys suck, democrats enabled the rise of fascism by being impotent cowards trying to get the scraps left behind by the republicunts.
Everyone should still vote for them becuase they are better than the only other option in your dogshit political system.
Vote as far left as possible all the way up, if it ends up as trump v clinton then it should be the lefter of the two.
I like that one “republicunts”, that goes in to the swearing arsenal.
There are a low of flaws in the American ‘democratic’ system, but one of the biggest is that it devolved in an effectively two party system.
If they think their only recourse in all of this is to vote differently next time, they’re more fucked than we think. It’s not about D v R. It’s haves and have-nots. Always was. The sports teams are to distract and divide.
Voting gets so much attention not because it’s super effective, but because it’s super easy. It’s the absolute most efficient change/effort available to us.
Everyone should vote, just as a first step. Even if you don’t like DvR there are third parties, write-ins, plus there is municipal and local voting, and issues you can vote on directly on the ballot.
And then after you’re done voting, get involved in your local community.
If you’re a defeatist/“enlightened centrist”, you are a part of the system of oppression.
The bigger issue is people thinking that voting is the only way to influence anything. Reality is that it is the absolute bare minimum you can and should do. People need to be getting involved in their local communities, their unions, the campaigns for local politicians… you cannot change the whole country and you need to stop trying. Change your immediate area, and let those changes become the new base voters are starting from when making decisions.
Vote as far left as possible all the way up, if it ends up as trump v clinton then it should be the lefter of the two.
And Democrats will always take advantage of that. They supported genocide last election. How much further to the right are they going to go? Because they will never move one Planck length to the left.
Push the party left and then vote for them. I would personally rathwr have useless weasels in power over soulless ghouls intent on stripping the country bare
Push the party left and then vote for them.
Yeah, that was the line about Biden. He supported genocide instead of moving left.
I would personally rathwr have useless weasels in power over soulless ghouls intent on stripping the country bare
Or anyone interested in fixing anything.
Push the party left and then vote for them.
That’s what many leftists tried to do: push Democrats at least left enough to stop actively committing genocide before they’d vote for them. The Democrats refused to budge.
okay so what’s your next step? because letting the right win has to be the stupidest ever way to influence change to the left
because letting the right win has to be the stupidest ever way to influence change to the left
Maybe the party shouldn’t have done it then. There will never be anything that will get Democrats to move to the left. You know it. You love it. It’s why you’re gloating with your spoiled milk analogy.
No, he asked for a next step. Because leftists can’t get a win.
Because leftists can’t get a win.
Oh, you gonna gloat too? Ok, hows about the party hold honest primaries for fucking once. Or primaries at all? How’s that for step 2? Then again, since you love your sour milk, that’s a nonstarter too.
You’re a bit weird, I’m still not talking about Democrats, I’m talking about leftists.
What can leftists do to get a win?
Well, they could take over the green party. They’re a small party with even smaller primaries. The left could just saunter in and take it. From there, they could extract concessions from Democrats in exchange for not running. Or run. If Democrats don’t want to split the vote, they don’t have to field a candidate. It’s not like they’re interested in winning in the first place.
But if they consistently win it still alter the political landscape such that someone else will have a better chance of enacting actual change in the future.
The two party system is garbage, but if one of the two current parties lost its ability to win entirely then a different second option could appear.
Agree. Within legal means, this is the only way to shift the Overton Window back left. When Democrats are secured from Republicans, then we should be pushing for more progressive options. Democrats would not be expanding the concentration camps like the Republicans are.
Fuck legal means, this is yer problem its all pride and democracy this until its dismantled in front of ye. Taking the high road has given ye a petulant removed as a leader. Maybe throw “legal” out the window, they did.
I know what I said. A human knows how to interpret it.
RPing on an open forum will only get you a visit from the FBI.
You can’t “push for more progressive options” when you’ve already ceded all power.
Democrats would not be expanding the concentration camps like the Republicans are.
History suggests otherwise.
How far back? I’m pissed Obama and Biden didn’t close Gitmo, but they didn’t expand it either.
Spamming as a conservative on multiple posts? This is the same type of posts you see on conservative reddit, always pointing out both sides, when there’s almost none of the same type of opinionated posts when referring to Republicans. I know you like to blame Dems, but Republicans are the ones actually promoting and using racism , and fascism right? Where’s the criticism against them with such vigor as your post. Your the reason why Reddit has been so aggressive with their banning. Also because your barely mention Rs in good faith. Yes dema has their problems, but Republicans are far worst people.
Where’s the criticism against them with such vigor as your post.
It’s not needed, OP and everyone here knows they’re horrible. There’s no point in adding a redundant “death to Republicans” after every critique of the Democrats who enabled them.
Yes dema has their problems
Genocide trivialization
acknowledging that both sides support a genocide and moving past that because there’s nothing you can do to change it isn’t trivialising it; it’s being realistic about a whole lot of horrendous options… sticking your head in the sand doesn’t magically make the genocide go away
You must be on some weird ass instance. I see tons of reasonable anger at democrats and Republicans alike. I don’t see upvotes for baseless tribal click bait like this tho
Nah, post something to /c/memes saying the US is a fascist nation and has been so for decades, it’s upvotes galore.
Imply the democrats have anything to do with it, and suddenly what’s the time in Moscow, how does Xi’s dick taste like, yadda yadda
and suddenly what’s the time in Moscow
ah, now I get the Hexbear sidebar clock joke
Oof sounds bad
Everyone here that defends democrats knows they’re not the best people.
Still immensely better than the alternative.
Classic failed thought, that. We are seeing the results of the Dems’ hard work right now, my friend.
Yup, cause democrats made sure to bring Zelensky in front of the media to just yell at him and renounce our support to save lives.
Democrats were saving lives by bombing children in Gaza.
blueMAGA liberals would personally dismember every child in Gaza to keep the war in Ukraine going another six months
Genocidal fascists are indeed “not the best people”
Oh, and the anti immigrant, anti education, anti living wage, anti trans, super genocidal facists are sooooo much better, right?
Or were you talking about the fucking nobody who had literally ZERO chance of winning? There were really going to win it all and save everybody, what happened?
Anti-immigrant: Democrats adopted Republican immigration policy.
Anti-education: Democrats wanted to expel students who weren’t pro-genocide enough.
Anti-living wage: Democrats’ last word on raising the federal minimum wage was Sinema’s thumbs down.
Anti-trans: Democrats ran hateful Republican anti-trans talking points in their own ads.
Super genocidal: Democrats have spent the past year shoveling weapons to Netanyahu to be used to murder Palestinians.
are sooooo much better, right?
Democrats seem to think so since they keep emulating them.
You loved every last one of the past SUCCESSES of the Democratic Party to move themselves closer to the fascism you will never even think of opposing.
Oh, and the anti immigrant, anti education, anti living wage, anti trans, super genocidal facists are sooooo much better, right?
You were the one saying genocidal fascists are merely “not the best people”.
Umm… Even us on .world agree that Dems are controlled opposition and useless if we want any actual change.
Not on the .world I’ve seen
Yes but only democrats can say that.
Can you criticize Israel here or is it full of pro genecide bots trying to run a narrative?
The Zionist Regime must fall. From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free. Organize in your community to raise awareness of your country’s complicity (e.g. weapons manufacture, university/college affiliations) and organize in your workplace to use your power as a worker to sabotage the conflict, especially if you are in ports or manufacture.
You can indeed. This isn’t .world.
You can on lemmy.ml, lemmygrad.ml and hexbear.net
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We see how that turned out for Gaza.
Better than under the Democrats, so far. But let me guess, you were denying the severity of the genocide when it was the Democrats doing it.
This place is pretty far left dude lol. You wont find anyone pro israel here.
Fuck both sides of the shitbird
I suppose “both wings of the shitbird” works too.
Well everybody already knows that. Like… The power dynamics of “vote lesser evil, vote for minority candidate, vote for a compromising pseudo-progressive party because it’s still something, abstain and stay pure, better face true fascists than traitors, etc.” has been around since representative regimes emerged. Yet everyone has to find his/her political and moral stance in this shitshow. And answers will differ, sometimes for legitimate reasons, sometimes because of total bs. That’s all there is to it and it’s not exactly news.
As a trans person i am currently eating shit for breakfast every day to protect myself, my friends, and humanity. Lesser evil is starting to look like “not being murdered” sometimes
Running a feckless campaign that refused to break with Biden’s admin on genocide is why we got this living hell. And running the most unlikeable woman in the country in 2016 is what made 2024 even a possibility.
Dems have fucked up terribly.
You’re absolutely right
That about sums it up.
I’ll vote Democrat as long as the alternative is fascism.
But fuck me, I’d love to vote for something else. And I’ll be honest, I have no idea how we get anything better.
I hear people saying to organize, but I can’t even imagine what that takes. I wonder if most Americans feel as helpless as I do in the face of this absolute bullshit.
The hard fact is that what the population votes for is what the population gets. They have completely given up their agency and just accept this impotent logic of “we’ll take whatever the most obvious/most apparently easy option is, that isn’t a Republican”. It’s a cyclical problem, the voters don’t care enough to force politicians to be good, and the politicians don’t care enough to court voters.
The hard fact is that what the population votes for is what the population gets.
It really isn’t, study after study has shown that popularity has basically no effect on policy.
At the same time, “what the population votes for is what the population gets” ignores that we are often only presented with crappy options to start with.
Perhaps it would be more accurate to say “you get what you fight for, and if you don’t fight you get what you get.”
I… haven’t really fought for anything. I believed the right things. I voted as best I could. But that clearly didn’t stop this.
I want to protect my ego and say I’m not a coward. Is there a distinction to be made between cowardice and simply not knowing what to do? I don’t know. I just know I’m trying my best, but maybe that’s just not enough.
At the same time, “what the population votes for is what the population gets” ignores that we are often only presented with crappy options to start with.
It does not ignore that, rather it explicitly takes that into account.
The caveat to my statement would ONLY be “so long as we’re using this system.”
Please focus more on accurate logic.
I’ll vote Democrat as long as the alternative is fascism.
Unfortunately, much of what the Democrats represent is fascism.
Depends on what you mean by “much”? I’d argue the Democrats, on the whole, are liberals, not fascists.
I’d certainly prefer progressives and leftists though.
The support for Israel whole they genocide Palestine, thought… ugh. That can certainly be viewed as fascism, although where you draw the distinction between fascism and imperialism is up for debate. Not that imperialism is good either, just saying.
Liberals are the only people in history to vote for fascists to prevent class solidarity, and they’ve done it every time.
If you scratch a liberal, a fascist bleeds.
So conservatives are… what? Not a group of people? Or in your view, are conservatives just fascists already?
Conservative liberals have the same ideology as liberals, just the pace is different. American politics have fucked too many people’s brains.
Yeah, I don’t buy that. Liberalism and Conservatism have different ideological foundations, philosophical traditions, and political histories.
If you don’t know the difference, that’s on you.
I have to make a lot of leaps to guess what you mean by “conservative liberal”. Do you mean a modern “social liberal economic conservative”? Aka a neoliberal?
Cuz yeah US Dems and Repubs are almost all economically neoliberal, sure. Is that what you mean?
I’ll keep saying it, the DNC is a sunk cost. You will keep trying to get them to stand up for you; get them to care; get them to fight. They will keep taking your energy; taking your money; and taking your vote and do nothing with it.
Big donors have recognized it. It’s time for the people to recognize it too. That means you.
