I have bad news for you brown guy, you are a middle ground between conservatives and fascists. Almost all of your takes are aggressive and repressive. People don’t work like that, we are all different and we should account for all diversity. You think “uneducated low earning people” should not get free shit but because they can be bribed. So you understand that desperate people would do anything, so why not help them? Why are they desperate? You remove the freebies but you keep the poverty.
You can step into fascism when you realise that “removing DEI” it’s a lot of bureaucracy and wasted time. Bullets are much cheaper.
I know it’s a mixed side. But I’m definitely not a fascist nor do I support fascism
So you understand that desperate people would do anything, so why not help them?
I don’t know if you don’t understand the situation but in india shit is complex. There have been interviews of people living in slums, they say they are making more children to get a little more money from the govt (from the scheme which was made for educational purposes of lower income households), some of them are regularly caught to be begging instead of doing some work (specially the ones who are fully fit and fine).
You know why it’s like that? Because most of them got the bread and circus and they don’t want anything more.
The govt doesn’t even care about the poor and handicapped people tbh, because they get less seats from the affirmative actions. The so called oppressed groups “STs/SCs” get it.
Recently I gave an exam, the cutoff for general category is 94%ile but for ST it is 49%ile. Just look at the difference
That’s why affirmative actions should be income based only for the ones who are in the BPL (below poverty line) list
I have some very superficial knowledge of Indian system casts etc… but regardless, people are people, fundamentally they act the same.
most of them got the bread and circus and they don’t want anything more.
Let’s start from here: they don’t want anything else. Are you sure? Would you believe in a system where you are confined in your cast (or for any other countries, general poverty), where you need to slave just to survive? If you live in a slum, yes your first issue is bread, second issue is bread tomorrow. You are not drinking grass smoothies dreaming a lambo. Why? Because you know, you see it everyday, that no matter what you do the probability are against you.
So why anyone living in a slum would even try to game the system? “Nobody expects me to make it… why not make as many kids as possible and get the money, at least my first son will survive. “
We need to stop thinking about people in terms of good vs. evil. We are surviving machines, we do what profit us and make us last long, good or bad doesn’t matter. Governments should account for that and give everyone the same OPPORTUNITIES and bridge differences with empathy and understanding.
Talk to homeless people, listen to their stories. You will realise it’s an unlucky, unsupported, discarded version of you.
That’s what I used to think before. But now when I’m in the age where I have to compete, I see everyone getting what I deserve (seats in universities) just because I’m a i) general category (the ones without any affirmative actions), ii) male, iii) middle/upper middle class.
You know who bad does that feel? It’s not a first world country where I can choose a mid profession and expect to go for vacations abroad… NO!!. In these countries there is blood bath in competitions, in which I would say I was just good but unlucky too because of those three things
For equality to exist in India, the govt has to cut the freebies and make the education system better and teach civic sense to the country people.
In this country, I have to pay 30% tax and I don’t get shit. That’s the worst part, on top of that you’ll be generalized as a bad guy everywhere because of the media. The govt isn’t making laws gender neutral due to which the younger generation are scared to marry.
There are thousands of problems in this country. Giving out freebies and affirmative actions won’t help at all
I didn’t know my caste until I was 16 because in cities that shit doesn’t exist
I’m kayastha. The community which never followed caste system in the 1900s… but now I have face affirmative actions because my ancestors were rich in general and had an history of being jamindars (land owners)
Do you think the fact that you were unaware of your caste might be an indicator of privilege? Do you think your Dalit neighbors (if you have any) grew up ignorant of their caste?
Do you think your Dalit neighbors (if you have any) grew up ignorant of their caste?
Ohh yes they did
I’m from the NE part of india. There are more ST people in here, most of my ST friends are richer than me. They usually have Jordans and 2-3 iPhones (iPhones are expensive in india) but they enjoy the perks of freebies and affirmative actions while earning more than the average indian
Bro I would say one thing for you. Everything you see about india in the news channels isn’t real. Neither every people look and speak the same nor everyone gets into arranged marriages
Do you think the fact that you were unaware of your caste might be an indicator of privilege?
People may say I’m playing the victim card but I didn’t get a single privilege for that
As I understand you, you’re in favor of abolishing quotas for SC/ST persons, for example. In view of the large and rising income inequality and wealth inequality across the Indian population (stats), would you be open to an ambitious ‘caste-blind’ social security system, financed by taxing the rich? Or to income-based educational support programs?
For some context, I am from India too, and even rabid right wingers in my family (mostly men, for obvious reasons) don’t have a problem with reservations. The only people who tend to have a problem with those are upper caste people, who are about 30% of the population. This is a truly elitist position. I have faced casteism even in one of the most urban, educated and wealthy cities in India where I lived for a while (Bangalore) and I am not even a Dalit (the ‘untouchables’, i.e., SC/ST people). This is a hilariously out of touch position in real life, it’s more common on the internet because of the dominance of UCs and their generational privilege.
I am thinking of a social security system (or welfare system, or redistribution scheme, or tax scheme) which does not take caste into consideration, but only factors such as income, wealth, parental income and wealth, illnesses and disabilities, …
In Europe and other Western countries, discontent about immigrants (and their descendants) is on the rise because people who struggle give them the blame for their own hardships, and a lot of politicians gain power by appealing to these sentiments, yet the policies that they then enact just make the rich richer and the poor even poorer.
Could something analogous be going on in India (with the lower castes in the place of immigrants), in that the ultra-rich people manage to avoid paying taxes commensurate to their wealth by making public policy debate focus on DEI or affirmative action programs?
Could something analogous be going on in India (with the lower castes in the place of immigrants), in that the ultra-rich people manage to avoid paying taxes commensurate to their wealth by making public policy debate focus on DEI or affirmative action programs?
Yes that’s what happens in here
The kind of social security system you’re talking about would be the best for India. But that would take 3-4 decades to be fully functional considering the usual rise in communal riots
But neither of the parties (BJP or Congress) would do that because they just want to make the votebank happy who are mostly the uneducated ones in towns, slums and villages
The politics in this country is fkn cinema atp! They wouldn’t spend a single penny for the ones who think rationally before voting someone
You can’t please greek and trojans and politics are always a dividing subject but, in my opinion, nobody has the reason by themselves. Usually, everyone has a good idea that everyone should support.
I’m a centrist. Am I allowed anywhere in this cruel world?
Edit- What’s the downvotes for?
“If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice”
When I say I’m a centrist that means for some stuff I’m liberal and for other I’m conservative
Centrist isn’t someone who is not into politics. They classify themselves as “non politicals”
You got the difference?
It means your convictions are meaningless & you will become a tool of the Fascists eventually.
Check my other comment in this comment thread and tell me if I’m wrong
Nah.
See that’s what
But people in this comment section already thought I would be a fascist
What conservative positions do you support?
Don’t make up stuff about him.
Use his own shitty opinions to bash him in the comments just below.
Stop hating and check my other comment
I’m from india so I can tell my perspective only for my country
I want
Edit - Damn!! People are even downvoting this
I have bad news for you brown guy, you are a middle ground between conservatives and fascists. Almost all of your takes are aggressive and repressive. People don’t work like that, we are all different and we should account for all diversity. You think “uneducated low earning people” should not get free shit but because they can be bribed. So you understand that desperate people would do anything, so why not help them? Why are they desperate? You remove the freebies but you keep the poverty.
You can step into fascism when you realise that “removing DEI” it’s a lot of bureaucracy and wasted time. Bullets are much cheaper.
I know it’s a mixed side. But I’m definitely not a fascist nor do I support fascism
I don’t know if you don’t understand the situation but in india shit is complex. There have been interviews of people living in slums, they say they are making more children to get a little more money from the govt (from the scheme which was made for educational purposes of lower income households), some of them are regularly caught to be begging instead of doing some work (specially the ones who are fully fit and fine).
You know why it’s like that? Because most of them got the bread and circus and they don’t want anything more.
The govt doesn’t even care about the poor and handicapped people tbh, because they get less seats from the affirmative actions. The so called oppressed groups “STs/SCs” get it.
Recently I gave an exam, the cutoff for general category is 94%ile but for ST it is 49%ile. Just look at the difference
That’s why affirmative actions should be income based only for the ones who are in the BPL (below poverty line) list
I have some very superficial knowledge of Indian system casts etc… but regardless, people are people, fundamentally they act the same.
Let’s start from here: they don’t want anything else. Are you sure? Would you believe in a system where you are confined in your cast (or for any other countries, general poverty), where you need to slave just to survive? If you live in a slum, yes your first issue is bread, second issue is bread tomorrow. You are not drinking grass smoothies dreaming a lambo. Why? Because you know, you see it everyday, that no matter what you do the probability are against you.
So why anyone living in a slum would even try to game the system? “Nobody expects me to make it… why not make as many kids as possible and get the money, at least my first son will survive. “
We need to stop thinking about people in terms of good vs. evil. We are surviving machines, we do what profit us and make us last long, good or bad doesn’t matter. Governments should account for that and give everyone the same OPPORTUNITIES and bridge differences with empathy and understanding.
Talk to homeless people, listen to their stories. You will realise it’s an unlucky, unsupported, discarded version of you.
That’s what I used to think before. But now when I’m in the age where I have to compete, I see everyone getting what I deserve (seats in universities) just because I’m a i) general category (the ones without any affirmative actions), ii) male, iii) middle/upper middle class.
You know who bad does that feel? It’s not a first world country where I can choose a mid profession and expect to go for vacations abroad… NO!!. In these countries there is blood bath in competitions, in which I would say I was just good but unlucky too because of those three things
For equality to exist in India, the govt has to cut the freebies and make the education system better and teach civic sense to the country people.
In this country, I have to pay 30% tax and I don’t get shit. That’s the worst part, on top of that you’ll be generalized as a bad guy everywhere because of the media. The govt isn’t making laws gender neutral due to which the younger generation are scared to marry.
There are thousands of problems in this country. Giving out freebies and affirmative actions won’t help at all
What caste are you friendo?
Rupees to rotis that you aren’t Dalit.
I didn’t know my caste until I was 16 because in cities that shit doesn’t exist
I’m kayastha. The community which never followed caste system in the 1900s… but now I have face affirmative actions because my ancestors were rich in general and had an history of being jamindars (land owners)
Do you think the fact that you were unaware of your caste might be an indicator of privilege? Do you think your Dalit neighbors (if you have any) grew up ignorant of their caste?
Ohh yes they did
I’m from the NE part of india. There are more ST people in here, most of my ST friends are richer than me. They usually have Jordans and 2-3 iPhones (iPhones are expensive in india) but they enjoy the perks of freebies and affirmative actions while earning more than the average indian
Bro I would say one thing for you. Everything you see about india in the news channels isn’t real. Neither every people look and speak the same nor everyone gets into arranged marriages
People may say I’m playing the victim card but I didn’t get a single privilege for that
As I understand you, you’re in favor of abolishing quotas for SC/ST persons, for example. In view of the large and rising income inequality and wealth inequality across the Indian population (stats), would you be open to an ambitious ‘caste-blind’ social security system, financed by taxing the rich? Or to income-based educational support programs?
For some context, I am from India too, and even rabid right wingers in my family (mostly men, for obvious reasons) don’t have a problem with reservations. The only people who tend to have a problem with those are upper caste people, who are about 30% of the population. This is a truly elitist position. I have faced casteism even in one of the most urban, educated and wealthy cities in India where I lived for a while (Bangalore) and I am not even a Dalit (the ‘untouchables’, i.e., SC/ST people). This is a hilariously out of touch position in real life, it’s more common on the internet because of the dominance of UCs and their generational privilege.
What’s caste blind social security system?
There should income based affirmative actions, for the ones who comes in BPL (below poverty line) list and for the specially abled people
If more than half a century of affirmative actions wasn’t able to give jobs to certain communities, then it’s a skill issue not a society issue
Casteism doesn’t exists except in some villages, left extremists would say otherwise
I am thinking of a social security system (or welfare system, or redistribution scheme, or tax scheme) which does not take caste into consideration, but only factors such as income, wealth, parental income and wealth, illnesses and disabilities, …
In Europe and other Western countries, discontent about immigrants (and their descendants) is on the rise because people who struggle give them the blame for their own hardships, and a lot of politicians gain power by appealing to these sentiments, yet the policies that they then enact just make the rich richer and the poor even poorer.
Could something analogous be going on in India (with the lower castes in the place of immigrants), in that the ultra-rich people manage to avoid paying taxes commensurate to their wealth by making public policy debate focus on DEI or affirmative action programs?
Yes that’s what happens in here
The kind of social security system you’re talking about would be the best for India. But that would take 3-4 decades to be fully functional considering the usual rise in communal riots
But neither of the parties (BJP or Congress) would do that because they just want to make the votebank happy who are mostly the uneducated ones in towns, slums and villages
The politics in this country is fkn cinema atp! They wouldn’t spend a single penny for the ones who think rationally before voting someone
With the rest of the performers.
“I only oppress people when they deseve it.”
Well I don’t deserve 6 downvotes 💢
Balancing on the knife’s edge is always a dangerous act.
Share your thoughts, be cordial, question politely, answer in kind.
I always answer politely unless the other person fcs around
Still you’ll targetted everywhere id you’re a centrist. Just look at the down votes😂
You can’t please greek and trojans and politics are always a dividing subject but, in my opinion, nobody has the reason by themselves. Usually, everyone has a good idea that everyone should support.