By seeking to “liberate” Germans from a globalized world order, the Nazi government sent the national economy careening backwards—and drove up the price of eggs 600 percent.
I think the majority of supporters “don’t like what Hitler did” in that they understand that liking Hitler is socially intolerable, and not much else. They either literally can’t make the connections because they’re dumber than dogshit, or they’re deliberately misrepresenting themselves to avoid criticism and shame.
In my opinion it’s that they don’t believe the people Hitler persecuted were the right people and that’s why he was wrong. They were the kind of people who bought into the fascist and nazi propaganda from back then except now they’re buying into it about a loosely defined “immigrant criminal” and LGBTQ+ people in general.
I also think they’e mostly against the idea of concentration camps now but are slowly being groomed to support them. Given enough time they’ll fully believe death camps are necessary for the USA to be “great again”
I don’t love “dumber than dogshit” to describe a group of people, even Trump supporters. It places blame and denigrates those people while giving a pass to the environment they grew up in that gave them indoctrination instead of real education.
I wrestled with this myself, but no longer. Some of them, a lot of them, are really that dumb. Yes, some were indocrinated and have environmental factors, but they may have inherited the brain cell count as well.
At this point, what will wake them up? They’re fine with the racism and evilness, what will make them take a look at themselves to make them wonder if the person they worship is a conman?
Was reading the asmondgold reddit and felt a strong desire to make a reddit account to destroy every broken ass argument these people barf out. Its not worth it and would probably get banned making it all wasted effort. Fact remains these people use such lazy logic and can’t even be bothered to be consistent. It’s not like they’re beating the fascist drum but they are honestly indifferent to it.
I am tired of acting like “placing blame” is the worst thing you can do upon someone, and that it needs to be highly deliberate and laser-guided like those switchblade “bombs” they drop on people. We’ve all become so sensitive to criticism that we avoid it like slugs avoid salt.
Fuck them. It is their fucking fault. And they’ll be lucky if being blamed is the worst thing that happens to them.
I don’t think I was totally clear. It’s not that I think they have no fault in the matter, but I don’t think they’re the root of the problem. Nor do I think that being mad at them does anything to address our current situation. My point is, direct the blame at those most responsible. The oligarchs and the right wing politicians have earned at least 99% of the blame for where we’re at. I don’t see any point in attacking the victims of propaganda, even if you think you wouldn’t have fallen for it.
My theory is cowardice. Born from constantly being pummelled with fear mongering and propaganda, mind you. But cowardice nonetheless.
Would directly explain the desperation for a “strong” leader no matter the cost. As well as pave the road to deeper bigotry, misogyny, and plain old fashioned racism; there must be a pretty deep cognitive dissonance to internalize all that fear, but still attempt to maintain that they care about “doing the right thing”. Anyway, that psychological torment has to be someone’s fault.
Worst though, is to witness all the evil and suffering coming from this faction and their leaders, but to at the same time know that if I cannot find some level of honest compassion for these individuals, then I have no chance of getting through to them (with some of them, that might not even be possible anymore). Forgive the sinner, not the sin, sure makes it sound simple. Hint: it’s not. It’s, well, fucked up and awful, to say the least.
But our options are running out, and without solidarity there will be no viable path forward. The only path left will go in the wrong direction for a terrible distance, involving untold violence and death before there will be any chance to start moving forward again. Even the best of our options sadly will almost certainly involve widespread suffering and loss of life.
I will do everything I can to hold onto hope. But I will not deny that we all need to do whatever we can to ready ourselves for the worst, and that I cannot let my hope blind me to the truth.
It feels like the time for doing is already passed in terms of being able to “win.” …And probably by decades. Honesty human beings would be slaughtered.
I think the majority of supporters “don’t like what Hitler did” in that they understand that liking Hitler is socially intolerable, and not much else. They either literally can’t make the connections because they’re dumber than dogshit, or they’re deliberately misrepresenting themselves to avoid criticism and shame.
In my opinion it’s that they don’t believe the people Hitler persecuted were the right people and that’s why he was wrong. They were the kind of people who bought into the fascist and nazi propaganda from back then except now they’re buying into it about a loosely defined “immigrant criminal” and LGBTQ+ people in general.
I also think they’e mostly against the idea of concentration camps now but are slowly being groomed to support them. Given enough time they’ll fully believe death camps are necessary for the USA to be “great again”
I don’t love “dumber than dogshit” to describe a group of people, even Trump supporters. It places blame and denigrates those people while giving a pass to the environment they grew up in that gave them indoctrination instead of real education.
I wrestled with this myself, but no longer. Some of them, a lot of them, are really that dumb. Yes, some were indocrinated and have environmental factors, but they may have inherited the brain cell count as well.
At this point, what will wake them up? They’re fine with the racism and evilness, what will make them take a look at themselves to make them wonder if the person they worship is a conman?
Economic ruin seems to help change minds.
But the world-view/sunk cost fallacy is a hard thing to counter.
Was reading the asmondgold reddit and felt a strong desire to make a reddit account to destroy every broken ass argument these people barf out. Its not worth it and would probably get banned making it all wasted effort. Fact remains these people use such lazy logic and can’t even be bothered to be consistent. It’s not like they’re beating the fascist drum but they are honestly indifferent to it.
That’s how reddit gets you, I’m glad you resisted.
I am tired of acting like “placing blame” is the worst thing you can do upon someone, and that it needs to be highly deliberate and laser-guided like those switchblade “bombs” they drop on people. We’ve all become so sensitive to criticism that we avoid it like slugs avoid salt.
Fuck them. It is their fucking fault. And they’ll be lucky if being blamed is the worst thing that happens to them.
I don’t think I was totally clear. It’s not that I think they have no fault in the matter, but I don’t think they’re the root of the problem. Nor do I think that being mad at them does anything to address our current situation. My point is, direct the blame at those most responsible. The oligarchs and the right wing politicians have earned at least 99% of the blame for where we’re at. I don’t see any point in attacking the victims of propaganda, even if you think you wouldn’t have fallen for it.
My theory is cowardice. Born from constantly being pummelled with fear mongering and propaganda, mind you. But cowardice nonetheless.
Would directly explain the desperation for a “strong” leader no matter the cost. As well as pave the road to deeper bigotry, misogyny, and plain old fashioned racism; there must be a pretty deep cognitive dissonance to internalize all that fear, but still attempt to maintain that they care about “doing the right thing”. Anyway, that psychological torment has to be someone’s fault.
Worst though, is to witness all the evil and suffering coming from this faction and their leaders, but to at the same time know that if I cannot find some level of honest compassion for these individuals, then I have no chance of getting through to them (with some of them, that might not even be possible anymore). Forgive the sinner, not the sin, sure makes it sound simple. Hint: it’s not. It’s, well, fucked up and awful, to say the least.
But our options are running out, and without solidarity there will be no viable path forward. The only path left will go in the wrong direction for a terrible distance, involving untold violence and death before there will be any chance to start moving forward again. Even the best of our options sadly will almost certainly involve widespread suffering and loss of life.
I will do everything I can to hold onto hope. But I will not deny that we all need to do whatever we can to ready ourselves for the worst, and that I cannot let my hope blind me to the truth.
It feels like the time for doing is already passed in terms of being able to “win.” …And probably by decades. Honesty human beings would be slaughtered.
Even if you get a substandard, indoctrination based education, you have to be dumber than dogshit to never question it.
Also, dog shit can actually be useful
As someone who must dodge it on the sidewalks daily, I’d like to hear how it can be actually useful please.
Fertilizer
Cognitive dissonance, sunk cost fallacy, modern tribalism, etc. bunch of psychological stuff going on with this mess.
I figure if they can deny hitlers holocaust they certainly seem ready to deny trumps.