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Nnno. No. See, as much as I agree that they’re wildly mislead and that does absolve them of some of the malice, the only way they’ll ever change is to face the reality of what their actions result in.
What about their families? Their children? People who had nothing to do with any of this and are just along for the ride? Wishing harm on red states and counties is cringe.
What about my family, my children? Why is the onus of acceptance on me, a member of the group they revile, and not on the people who vocally want to put me in a camp? Sure I’m better than them, for example I don’t on a personal level wish most of them any ill, but “wanting them to see the result of their actions” isn’t exactly round them up and deport them!
Nobody was unwillingly unaware of what the GOP wants/does. They chose to insulate themselves in right wing media, they chose to ignore the literal millions of people telling them what Trump wants to do, they chose to ignore Trump saying what he wants to do, they chose to ignore Project 2025 which was plastered everywhere for months prior to the election.
There is no more benefit of the doubt for these people until they fucking admit what theyve done, and they don’t seem to be willing to do so. So fuck them.
If you want to bend over and accept the consequences of the idiots that don’t give a shit about anyone but themselves, then that’s fine, but don’t lump the rest of us in.
They’re the ones that voted for it. It’s also much more than just uninformed. Many of these people enjoy the suffering and plight of “liberals” or anyone who isn’t in their cult. Many are unapologetic bigots.
I do wish harm on them, because they deserve it. They have all the info they need to not be cruel. Many of them choose to be cruel because they enjoy it. I’ve seen it firsthand, many many many times.
I hope you don’t feel you’re any better than them, then. Because hate begets hate. You should attack bigotry, you should attack the hateful ideology, but you can’t assume that every Trump voter even understood the impact of what they chose. The entire media ecosystem and education system in this country are explicitly designed to keep us from understanding how things work. The vitriol isn’t going to solve anything.
Yikes. Evangelizing about tolerance towards a group that itself preaches the value in your wholesale slaughter is… not great. We can at the same time understand that they’ve been victims of a massive propaganda campaign and revile them for wanting us dead. Wishing for someone to face the consequences of their actions isn’t intolerant, it’s fair.
You don’t get one without the other. Hate is what they feed on. Attention. Anger. Deprive them of that. Any harm done to them hurts their neighbors, their kids, other locals who didn’t vote, or voted against it, and it’s just… a bad take. Wishing harm on others is just shit-slinging, and I’m sick of it. Reject the hate in your heart.
That’s not the same thing. I’m saying, “don’t wish harm on people just because they live in a red state or voted Republican”. You’re saying that means I’m advocating for the tolerance of hate. I am not advocating for that. I’m saying that wishing harm on people is shitty. Of course we should ban bigoted speech from online spaces.
Paradox of tolerance applies here. Your “argument” amounts to nothing but the usual right wing lies of “so much for the tolerant left”. A tolerant society requires intolerance towards the intolerant. It is not that difficult to grasp.
I’ve always disliked that this is called a “paradox”. It’s more of a linguistic issue more than logic. The statement is just as well “we dislike malice”. No paradox there.
Not necessarily harm, it is just wishing them the consequences of their actions, and for those chuds having consequences happen to themselves seems to be the only wake up call possible.
So you can slink right back in your hole with that disingenous nonsense.
I’m wishing harm on them because they’re racist, sexist idiots that not only vote against my self interest for child predators and murderers but against mine. Being an idiot isn’t an excuse anymore, they need to get out of the way of progress or be moved, permanently.
I think you’re attacking the wrong people. You want to attack racists, bigots, and abusers. People vote for all sorts of reasons, and while you and I know just how wrong they are, you’ve got another thing coming if you think the average American knows the first thing about politics. Most people vote solely on name recognition alone.
I know plenty of these people they vote based on the three headlines. But what I’ve learned from trying to educate these people is that most of them are ignorant by choice. I’ll let them know the bad things that are happening and who is responsible and they are shocked and outraged, but then they go back to not paying any attention and just assume it got resolved. Or search for whatever evidence they can find that will tell them it’s not real so they can continue to live in their fantasy world where everything is okay. That might have flown in the past but when democracy is being dismantled infront of us and people are dying because of the actions of our politicians you being ignorant doesn’t make you innocent, it makes you complicit. Most of them have the entirety of human knowledge available at the click of a button but they choose ignorance. They are shown evidence of what’s happening but they choose ignorance. I’m done accepting that excuse and you should be too.
Also though I know this may come across as angry know none of this frustration is towards you. I agree that the oligarchs and pundits are more responsible but we can’t excuse their sycophants for their behavior because of willful ignorance. They all need to be held to account. You’re free to disagree, and I hold nothing against you if you do. We’re all together in our fight against these new wave fascists and we can argue how far to go once they’ve been beaten.
I just think it’s very important to draw a distinction between voters and politicians and propagandists. There are absolutely people deserving of ire, ridicule, rejection, hate. I am here to argue that the vast majority of people who voted for Trump did so genuinely believing it was the right thing for the world and that it would help make things better for everyone.
Obviously, bigotry and the like are common among that group and we should be pushing back against that, but wishing harm on people in red states is a really bad take and I think it just begets more cruelty overall. We are better than this.
I drew a line for years. I gave them sympathy and understanding and tried to help them understand for years. If somebody genuinely voted for Trump believing he would make the world a better place then either they’re too stupid to be trusted having input on the rest of us or their values are so far apart from ours that their “better world” is one of the most disgusting things I can imagine. Either way I’m done pretending we’re all citizens of the same country. I love America, land of the free, a cultural melting pot that stands for progress and peace. Whether that’s the reality of its history or not. As long as they’re in this country we will never be that. Kamala ran on love and she lost. Because we can’t olive branch these invertebrates.
I love my country, I love the good people of this country, I believe in helping the less fortunate, I love equality between all people, I love those who have actual principles and will stand by them even if I disagree with them. They want to destroy nearly every single one of those things. So let’s stop pretending we can share a country with them because they’ve long since stopped pretending they want to share it with us.
Some day the other shoe is going to drop and we’re going to have to continue sharing a country with these people. There is a reason this ideology has spread, and wishing harm on them does less than nothing to change that. You clearly have a strong sense of justice and love in your heart. Why is it a good use of time to wish harm on others?
Because no amount of love from me is going to make the same difference for good in the world that them being gone forever would. The only way I will ever go back to the way things were before is when their hearts are broken, their beliefs are shattered and they remain as husks like Wilson in 1984. Forced to live in the hellscape of checks notes equality, liberty and justice for all. I don’t know why everybody has just accepted living with the disease that is these people. It doesn’t have to be this way. There can be a light at the end of the tunnel and the republicans themselves are ironically showing us the way there.
How exactly do you imagine that shoe is going to drop? It isn’t going to drop itself, fascists will not relinquish power voluntarily. You seem to be either completely delusional about the severity of the current situation, or a disingenous liar.
Wishing harm on your fellow struggling working class people just because they’re uninformed voters is pretty cringe.
Being uninformed at this point feels like a choice.
To you. To them, it’s normal.
Nnno. No. See, as much as I agree that they’re wildly mislead and that does absolve them of some of the malice, the only way they’ll ever change is to face the reality of what their actions result in.
What about their families? Their children? People who had nothing to do with any of this and are just along for the ride? Wishing harm on red states and counties is cringe.
What about my family, my children? Why is the onus of acceptance on me, a member of the group they revile, and not on the people who vocally want to put me in a camp? Sure I’m better than them, for example I don’t on a personal level wish most of them any ill, but “wanting them to see the result of their actions” isn’t exactly round them up and deport them!
Fuck’s sake, get some perspective.
You’re the one missing perspective, friend. Go outside.
… Wait, why is your perspective the singularly true one?
You are the cringe here with your disingenous concern trolling.
No, it’s genuine.
You realize that makes it even more embarrassing, right…?
The embarrassing thing is wishing harm on working class people instead of building solidarity
I’m simply glad they’re getting exactly what they asked for. “Less harm” was an option, and they knew that. They chose otherwise.
They did not know that, obviously, or they would have voted differently.
Nobody was unwillingly unaware of what the GOP wants/does. They chose to insulate themselves in right wing media, they chose to ignore the literal millions of people telling them what Trump wants to do, they chose to ignore Trump saying what he wants to do, they chose to ignore Project 2025 which was plastered everywhere for months prior to the election.
There is no more benefit of the doubt for these people until they fucking admit what theyve done, and they don’t seem to be willing to do so. So fuck them.
If you want to bend over and accept the consequences of the idiots that don’t give a shit about anyone but themselves, then that’s fine, but don’t lump the rest of us in.
This comment is not addressing anything I said at all and can therefore be discarded
They’re the ones that voted for it. It’s also much more than just uninformed. Many of these people enjoy the suffering and plight of “liberals” or anyone who isn’t in their cult. Many are unapologetic bigots.
I do wish harm on them, because they deserve it. They have all the info they need to not be cruel. Many of them choose to be cruel because they enjoy it. I’ve seen it firsthand, many many many times.
I hope you don’t feel you’re any better than them, then. Because hate begets hate. You should attack bigotry, you should attack the hateful ideology, but you can’t assume that every Trump voter even understood the impact of what they chose. The entire media ecosystem and education system in this country are explicitly designed to keep us from understanding how things work. The vitriol isn’t going to solve anything.
Yikes. Evangelizing about tolerance towards a group that itself preaches the value in your wholesale slaughter is… not great. We can at the same time understand that they’ve been victims of a massive propaganda campaign and revile them for wanting us dead. Wishing for someone to face the consequences of their actions isn’t intolerant, it’s fair.
You don’t get one without the other. Hate is what they feed on. Attention. Anger. Deprive them of that. Any harm done to them hurts their neighbors, their kids, other locals who didn’t vote, or voted against it, and it’s just… a bad take. Wishing harm on others is just shit-slinging, and I’m sick of it. Reject the hate in your heart.
You are actually philosophically in the wrong here- you should take a look at the paradox of tolerance.
A tolerant, just person MUST NOT tolerate intolerance.
That’s not the same thing. I’m saying, “don’t wish harm on people just because they live in a red state or voted Republican”. You’re saying that means I’m advocating for the tolerance of hate. I am not advocating for that. I’m saying that wishing harm on people is shitty. Of course we should ban bigoted speech from online spaces.
Intolerance towards the intolerant. That is absolutely what the paradox of tolerance implies.
It’s absolutely the same thing, you’re just not paying attention to what you’re actually saying.
I think you live in a bubble.
Paradox of tolerance applies here. Your “argument” amounts to nothing but the usual right wing lies of “so much for the tolerant left”. A tolerant society requires intolerance towards the intolerant. It is not that difficult to grasp.
I’ve always disliked that this is called a “paradox”. It’s more of a linguistic issue more than logic. The statement is just as well “we dislike malice”. No paradox there.
Not necessarily harm, it is just wishing them the consequences of their actions, and for those chuds having consequences happen to themselves seems to be the only wake up call possible.
So you can slink right back in your hole with that disingenous nonsense.
I’m wishing harm on them because they’re racist, sexist idiots that not only vote against my self interest for child predators and murderers but against mine. Being an idiot isn’t an excuse anymore, they need to get out of the way of progress or be moved, permanently.
I think you’re attacking the wrong people. You want to attack racists, bigots, and abusers. People vote for all sorts of reasons, and while you and I know just how wrong they are, you’ve got another thing coming if you think the average American knows the first thing about politics. Most people vote solely on name recognition alone.
I know plenty of these people they vote based on the three headlines. But what I’ve learned from trying to educate these people is that most of them are ignorant by choice. I’ll let them know the bad things that are happening and who is responsible and they are shocked and outraged, but then they go back to not paying any attention and just assume it got resolved. Or search for whatever evidence they can find that will tell them it’s not real so they can continue to live in their fantasy world where everything is okay. That might have flown in the past but when democracy is being dismantled infront of us and people are dying because of the actions of our politicians you being ignorant doesn’t make you innocent, it makes you complicit. Most of them have the entirety of human knowledge available at the click of a button but they choose ignorance. They are shown evidence of what’s happening but they choose ignorance. I’m done accepting that excuse and you should be too.
Also though I know this may come across as angry know none of this frustration is towards you. I agree that the oligarchs and pundits are more responsible but we can’t excuse their sycophants for their behavior because of willful ignorance. They all need to be held to account. You’re free to disagree, and I hold nothing against you if you do. We’re all together in our fight against these new wave fascists and we can argue how far to go once they’ve been beaten.
I just think it’s very important to draw a distinction between voters and politicians and propagandists. There are absolutely people deserving of ire, ridicule, rejection, hate. I am here to argue that the vast majority of people who voted for Trump did so genuinely believing it was the right thing for the world and that it would help make things better for everyone.
Obviously, bigotry and the like are common among that group and we should be pushing back against that, but wishing harm on people in red states is a really bad take and I think it just begets more cruelty overall. We are better than this.
I drew a line for years. I gave them sympathy and understanding and tried to help them understand for years. If somebody genuinely voted for Trump believing he would make the world a better place then either they’re too stupid to be trusted having input on the rest of us or their values are so far apart from ours that their “better world” is one of the most disgusting things I can imagine. Either way I’m done pretending we’re all citizens of the same country. I love America, land of the free, a cultural melting pot that stands for progress and peace. Whether that’s the reality of its history or not. As long as they’re in this country we will never be that. Kamala ran on love and she lost. Because we can’t olive branch these invertebrates.
I love my country, I love the good people of this country, I believe in helping the less fortunate, I love equality between all people, I love those who have actual principles and will stand by them even if I disagree with them. They want to destroy nearly every single one of those things. So let’s stop pretending we can share a country with them because they’ve long since stopped pretending they want to share it with us.
Some day the other shoe is going to drop and we’re going to have to continue sharing a country with these people. There is a reason this ideology has spread, and wishing harm on them does less than nothing to change that. You clearly have a strong sense of justice and love in your heart. Why is it a good use of time to wish harm on others?
Because no amount of love from me is going to make the same difference for good in the world that them being gone forever would. The only way I will ever go back to the way things were before is when their hearts are broken, their beliefs are shattered and they remain as husks like Wilson in 1984. Forced to live in the hellscape of checks notes equality, liberty and justice for all. I don’t know why everybody has just accepted living with the disease that is these people. It doesn’t have to be this way. There can be a light at the end of the tunnel and the republicans themselves are ironically showing us the way there.
Wishing harm on them does less than nothing to help the situation we’re in. It only makes you a worse person.
How exactly do you imagine that shoe is going to drop? It isn’t going to drop itself, fascists will not relinquish power voluntarily. You seem to be either completely delusional about the severity of the current situation, or a disingenous liar.
You have nothing good to say left, obviously, because you’re just attacking my character instead of my point. This conversation is over.