• IninewCrow@lemmy.ca
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    Another example of the Scots fighting for freedom … they’ve been doing it successfully for thousands of years and they’re still doing it!

    I will never in my life ever understand the fight against gay, lesbian, bi, queer, LGBTQ+

    They are a fraction of the population yet the majority causes them immeasurable harm simply because they exist. The louder they persecute, the more prominent LGBTQ+ movement becomes … it’s contradictory. If conservatives had just left them alone, there would almost be no issue about any of this at all.

    There are far more important debates and fights to be had in our society … namely the fight to preserve the survivability of our species in the coming centuries … yet here we are fighting about who gets to show or not show their tits!!!

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      I will never in my life ever understand the fight against gay, lesbian, bi, queer, LGBTQ+

      One argument is that any (fictional) male can just put on a wig and a dress and enter any “women designated” area.

      The people making this argument are usually men and rarely has an actual incident occurred.

      (This opinion is based on trying to give Graham Linehan a benefit of doubt)

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      Conservatives need a demographic to hate. This one is perfect because they will never be Conservatives, and most hardcore Conservatives can’t stand to see homosexual PDA.

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        they will never be Conservatives

        I wish that were true, but I have family that is deeply conservative and so is her wife.

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          Same. I used to work with a lesbian who was a born-again Christian who thinks gay people shouldn’t kiss or hold hands in public becuase it could indoctrinate children (she literally used the word indoctrinate when talking about this with me). They do exist.

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        If they let up on hating an outside groups for a moment, people might notice that they have no policies that anyone wants.

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        I just had a look at the global demographics

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_sexual_orientation

        Those identifying as a different sexual identity from heterosexuality averages less than 10% of the overall population … it could be argued that LGBTQ+ people who are stigmatized would be less likely to report their actual identities in these surveys … but in progressive countries like Canada, Australia and most developed European countries who are supposedly more progressive and open still show a minority of the population identifying as such.

        It will forever be a stupid reason to fight over identity of any gender or identity in anyone … especially at this point in our history when so much more should be more important to all of us … we’re facing an existential crisis right now as a species and instead we are spending a lot of time and energy debating our sexual morals and preferences?

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        Disgust is a powerful motivator and influencer. It’s an evolutionary survival trait we’re wired to feel it easily and pick up on others felling it. Eww, this ham is awful. Everyone does a double-take, and many will perceive it as bad and consider throwing it out simply because someone else’s judgment passed it as nasty.

        It’s VERY easy to get many to feel disgust against something simply by pointing at it and saying it’s disgusting. You point out a few things and make a face, neanderthal brain says you know they’re likely onto something.

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      There’s nothing to understand. It’s about hate and fear. Conservatives, specifically the alt-right, uses pre-existing prejudices to whip fear into their followers so that they get distracted.

      “If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.”

      You can change this to whatever out-group they have chosen:

      • Trans-people
      • autistic people specifically
      • LGBT people
      • neurodivergent people
      • gay people specifically
      • muslims
      • non-white people
      • black people specifically
      • Catholics (if you’re protestant)
      • Protestant (if your Catholic)
      • left handed people

      The list literally goes on. All so that their followers get distracted from the people who are picking their pockets.

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        As far as I’m concerned, the only minority group of people we should all actively persecute is the ultra wealthy class of people who represent a small fraction of the global population yet control overwhelmingly all the wealth in our civilization. They would rather watch the world burn than in allowing anyone to create any kind of equitable society to share even a fraction of the wealth in our world.

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      When gay marriage was being debated here in Australia my sister (who is gay) was super upset the whole time. She talked about how much the fight affected her and wished that people who were against would just understand.

      I told her I was a complete supporter of gay marriage for a whole bunch of reasons including:

      • human decency
      • equality
      • people who don’t like gay marriage can just… Not get married to another person of the same gender.
      • people should just mind their own fucking business

      However I did also point out that a lot of the loudest voices against gay marriage literally did not give a flying fuck about the issue, it was a convenient wedge and distraction for them, the people who need a group to vilify for political reasons would have to find another target for persecution as soon as they lost this particular convenient red rag to a bull.

      Today in Australia, I believe, the usual suspects who use fear and hatred as the bedrock of their politics have been able to tap into a deeper vein of ignorance to make Trans people that target.

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        that whole time was fucked… our lgbt community experienced drastically higher suicide rates, mental health support services were begging for temporary volunteers to help with the load

        and then tony fucking abbot - whose electorate voted the highest yes in the country - abstained from voting

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      One of the reasons LGBTQ+ people get so much hate is because of male insecurity and the global crisis increasing feelings of helplessness and despair.

      It’s also got to do with the haters projecting the things they deny themselves (to be manly or whatever) onto LGBTQ+ persons - and then hating them for allegedly having those freedoms.

      Nothing is wrong with being LGBTQ+. It’s the people who hate them for not fitting their norm who need help.

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      Lol it’s because when you start digging in intellectually/philosophically, it starts raising some pretty serious questions about the state of society and free will and rights and autonomy and capitalism and slavery copyrights and gender and biology and religion and stuff.

      We, quite literally, are their antichrist.

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      it’s because it’s not a fraction of the population… it’s all of us. it’s a threat to one’s own identity to hear someone challenge the little delusional box we place ourselves in