The truth:
For the love of Pete, not this again.
Many flavors of Linux are more simple and user friendly than Windows or Mac.
Mac is unix-based and very similar to Linux in many ways.
Windows is like that car that Homer Simpson designed.
I’m gonna say windows is more like a cybertruck truck. Full of bloat, spyware, and half the features are not like to slice a finger off than do what it’s supposed to- and definitely not bullet proof.
windows is the one that should be the toy wheel here.
macos is unix, and quite solid
and im a big apple hater.
Lol, call me back when they support bsd jails. Or a five button mouse. Or a decent amount of RAM. Or a package manager. Or more than 2 ports. Or an SDCard slot
My 2022 macbook pro has a charging port, four USB-C ports (one of which can be used for charging as well), an HDMI port, a minijack port, and an SD card slot.
I use homebrew for package management, and have yet to be dissatisfied with that.
This machine also happens to have 32 GB of RAM.
I don’t know about mouse-support, but I mostly use my keyboard for everything, and have yet to miss having more than two buttons and a scroll wheel on my mouse. With my previous (2012) macbook however, I used a five-button mouse sometimes.
Really don’t know where you get your info on macs, but you it seems you missed the phone when you were called back sometime around 2010.
Brew is shit. I’ve had to use it, and wouldn’t chose to ever again. 32gig of RAM? For professional work? What is this, 2009? 4 ports is good, and good to hear about the sd-card finally. And you’re supporting the mac mouse? With the charging port on the bottom?
You may think it fine. But for the money I think Macs are vastly inferior to a decent thinkpad, dell, or even HP
What are you smoking that 32gb of RAM is 09? 32gb is more than enough for most users in 2025, hell 16gb is still quite enough for most use cases.
Most mac users I’ve known either use the touchpad or MX Master, very few use the magic mouse. And build quality is much better than the equivalent plastic garbage from HP or Dell.
If you need more than 32 GB of RAM, I’m pretty sure you’re no longer looking for a laptop. I mean sure, you can get up to 128 GB on a macbook, but if you need that kind of volume you’re doing professional work on something that is specifically extremely RAM-intensive.
I didn’t support the apple-mouse, in fact I don’t like it at all, primarily because I don’t like the feel of it. Personally, I use a completely ordinary, cheap mouse with two buttons and a scroll wheel.
i mean, its obviously no linux…
wait, it doesn’t support five button mice?
no way this has to exist 😂
I’m not sure this is necessary, my five button mouse worked just fine on the mbp my work forced me to use in 2020. The only issue was pointer speed is wonky, and the scroll wheel is intentionally stupid.
But the buttons work like Linux uses them, not like windows uses them. Which is fine, but I can see how the uninitiated would have a problem with that.
I have always hated Apple the company… the products are way too overpriced and nerfd but Ok overall
As an engineer, I would rather develop on Mac than any other OS. I have shit to do and need to work in a POSIX compliant OS without bloat, while also not worrying about my OS install getting borked arbitrarily because I looked at it wrong.
Weird, I’ve been forced to use a Mac for work, never liked it. I prefer Debian or other non-rolling-release distros with long term support, and haven’t had a Linux install get messed up in many years (since I used Arch, and something went wrong with my proprietary Nvidia drivers after an update).
As another engineer, I won’t touch another Mac until it allows me to upgrade memory and disk without buying a whole other unit.
Never had to upgrade memory or disk in the lifespan of the machine. What really makes a difference though is 20 hours of battery life. You can run around the office without worrying about staying plugged in.
Also, AMD is also going towards the SoC approach.its only a matter of time before you can’t upgrade memory on PCs too.
I enjoyed using a MBP for a few years, mostly for the trackpad. I eventually grew too annoyed with the desktop crashes and iCloud bloat though. I built a new Linux workstation last year, and it just feels like home 🐧.
It’s interesting to see a modern, POSIX compliant, Unix implementation characterized as a children’s toy. These arguments are simple minded. I develop on a Mac, and deploy it to Linux in most cases. And yes I do understand that this is also possible on widows now - but not my preference.
From your comment I’m going to guess that like most in this community, and lemmy as a whole, you know a lot more about this than your average user.
From the perspective of a reasonably tech savvy person that doesn’t like to be told how to do things and is willing to put in a little effort, the question I ask is this; is this hardware I bought actually mine to do with as I please out of the box with a minimum amount of guardrails to stop me from doing something really stupid unless I know what I’m doing as opposed to just licensing it from a nanny?
Linux - yes, maybe too much, at least for me.
Windows - yeah, usually.
Mac - lmao no, stfu and take your sippy cup.
And there is nothing wrong with someone who is just a user saying “I don’t ever want to deal with any of this shit, I’ll take the sippy cup.” But it’s still a sippy cup.
I really don’t see backing for this take like… anywhere?
Sure: Linux gives you absolute control, I won’t debate that. I work on a Mac however, and haven’t yet found any guard rails that a simple
sudo !!won’t get me passed.Windows on the other hand requires you to do all sorts of arcane shit if you want to do anything at all outside of checking boxes in a shitty GUI to enable/disable features.
You know macOS ships with a terminal ootb, right? There’s a reason it’s a massively popular option for devs.
Lies. I see no cameras and keyloggers on the windows side.
I was going to say that to make this accurate they need to show the complete car for windows.
There is a copilot in the passenger seat writing down everything you do and making suggestions left and right, and the screen has to have ad’s on it.
The back seats are empty and the rear doors are locked because you don’t havn’t licensed them.
My 97yo grandma uses Linux without even being aware what OS she’s on. Web sites open the same. Telegram works the same.
Anyone saying Linux isn’t user friendly hasn’t used it in decades or ever.
Most Windows/macos users wouldn’t be able to install those either so that’s a non argument.
What distro does she use? Mint?
OpenSuse
Your grandma is one of the cool ones.
Linux is user-friendly, but it is way more customisable than either Windows or MacOs
That’s true, but I’ve been using it for 25+ years and prefer stock kde experience. Daily driver for work and play. Fewer issues than windows for sure. I can’t figure out macos so I try to avoid it.
And she does all of her own updates and compiles when libraries shit the bed. Right. What’s her favorite cmd line function.
None of that happens though and cli is not needed for most users. Updates are automatically pulled and installed whenever she restarts. Worst case scenario she knows to press down once during boot to select previous snapshot.
Bullshit. You guys live in fantasies.
Pretty much every rolling distro works this way. Nothing fantastical about it.
If you want even more set-it-and-forget-it setup you can use any immutable distro. OpenSuse MicroOS in my grandma’s case.
You realize you can set up commands that get ran on start up, right?
Including one to update apt or whatever package manager and then upgrade.
Most versions of Linux can handle installation with no user input, or leaving the session. Kernel updates require a restart, but the update is already installed.
(Whether you should or not is an entirely different matter.)
Mac is in this weird bubble where it can be the kid with a toy wheel or the airplane cockpit.
Mostly people using it are using it like a baby toy though
That’s my phone choice. Lol can you imagine the amount of tasks needed to complete to accept/deny incoming/outgoing transactions…
Jeepers. These comments. I agree with you. I love Linux, but, unless you’re lucky enough to have perfect hardware, Linux is still a bit hard to use. Mac and Windows are heading that way too. Macs require a Mac, and new Windows PCs have hardware requirements as well. I’m on my third distro for one of my Linux PCs because of hardware issues. I love Linux, but sometimes it’s a pain.
MacOS is so much better than Windows in every way. The amount of software available is crazy. So many nice apps, menubar tools, finder alternatives etc. And they’re generally nicely designed and updated, which very much isn’t the case for Windows. Using Windows has been a horrible experience for the past 20 years, and it wasn’t great before that. Want some basic simple app for a specific thing? It’s either some heavily bloated shit that costs money and takes up way more system resources than it needs to or it’s a several-decades-old thing that just doesn’t work anymore.
The better metaphor for the Mac would be a bicycle.
Downvotes? Don’t bicycles have a far cleaner and more intuitive interface while elegantly reaching their destination?
You can’t compare velocity, Linux is not that much faster on the same hardware that that property of the plane would be relevant.
It’s a walled garden, so maybe more like those rideshare e bikes or scooters.
I dunno. I won’t mock a person for using Mac.
Microsoft would be more like a cybertruck. Complete with the catching fire bits.
I use Mac and Linux. I just want my shit to work without having to fuck around. Mac is good for that.
Maybe decades ago, but not now.
Yeah, Mac stuff is white or silver now. They stopped doing the colourful stuff 20-odd years ago.
Mac osx has unix command prompts built in and the ability to containerize out of the gate. Windows requires WSL and a bunch of other shit to achieve a substantially worse effect.
The out of the box containerization is still pretty new though — it’s like a month old
Exactly. Modern Windows is like Tesla - shiny exterior built on top of garbage cobbled together with paperclips and duct tape. No visible knobs, no easy to access features, everything hidden behind layers of needless menus and abstraction with the express goal to extract maximum value from their ‘customers’.
I’m not an Apple fanboy by any means but I feel like the two ecosystems are much closer now than they were 10-15 years ago.
Kids use Chromebooks everywhere I’ve seen the past 5+ years.
Not even decades ago. ResEdit was one way we hacked old Macs back in the day.
