As a South Carolinian, let me confirm that we do not deserve a positive rating. I love my state, but its government is run by rich idiots.
To be clear, that is still less than 50% approval rating. The only state apparently to get over 50% is Hawaii and not by much.
Every state is positive! score is favourable - unfavourable. Hawaii would have been 76.5 vs 23.5.
Oh you’re right! My bad I didn’t read the fine print.
Lol, give me a break and show me the data sources.
I’m surprised that people are surprised by this.
West Virginia somehow scores higher than california?? Has anyone actually been to west virginia?
I’m guessing the survey responder pool was “whoever is at this Midwest bingo hall at 2pm on a Tuesday.”
Yeah, this seems wrong. Tennessee definitely isn’t that good.
It must be because of the smoky mountains… only thing cool about this place.
Oklahoma has way better meth labs than California 👍
That’s a wild score for Florida. Do people just like Walt Disney World that much?
I don’t believe this at all. Who did they ask?
clearly not me, I couldn’t get out of N Carolina fast enough
As a lifelong southerner, NC is my favorite southern state. I’ve lived in SC, FL, NC, VA, TN. I absolutely love Asheville. Granted, I lived there as a youngin, and have only visited Asheville and a few other places as an adult. But my God don’t I love Asheville.
Asheville is basically anti NC. I agree that mountain hippies are great, but as you move east you go from fucked up tobacco shit, to Fuck Duke, to fucked up military industrial complex, to tourist hellscape. Charlotte is ok, but it’s like if you took a real city and made it optimized for 7’ tall pickup trucks.
How in the hell does Oregon and Washington get mid like that? What’d we ever do to you but enjoy our trees and rain?
How do you like a big dumb desert and deserts little cousin more than us???
I think people just don’t know much about the PNW. Seattle produced some rock bands and companies in the '90s and Portland got a TV show that ended years ago, but that’s about it. We just don’t make much noise right now.
They both had a ton of popular bands and companies.
I think the rating might be a easily of national politics.
But both Oregon and Washington are mostly big dumb desert. They’ve got everything!
NC let’s fucking gooooo!
RAISE UP
Recently returned to my ancestral homeland of SC, and cheer wine (and actually decent barbecue) have been the local highlights.
So who was the sample group? And what what the size? Also what was the criteria? This just seems weirdly subjective.
Sample group: 2073 adult citizens Question was just “do you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion of the following states”
Yeah I’m not particularly impressed, but also NC LETS GO
Alaska makes sense as the most popular in perception I suppose
Edit: I didn’t even see Hawaii there! Just popular due to tropical features judging by comparison to other politically aligned states, and those with similarly extremely racist backgrounds
Hawaii is racist?
You’re saying that the existence of Hawaii as a state is racist, or Hawaiian people are racist? I’m confused.
It’s a state because white people betrayed the native people pretty badly, I suppose
The collective South Loud enough for the people in the back, y’all: Thank GOD for Mississippi!
Alabama I get but what did Mississippi do?
I mean there’s a saying in the south, thank God for Mississippi. Because no matter how bad your state is at something, Mississippi’s worse.
Ferguson for one. And that was just a symptom
The police stuff a couple years ago? That was Missouri.
interesting that the scale is positive everywhere.
This is actually one of the best maps on here in a while. If you know the US discourse, you can clearly read the stereotypes, political bubbles and straight-up ignorance of the various different people that were surveyed.
Illinois gets dinged because of racist narrative around Chicago. Montana does better than the rest of the midwest because it’s romaticised. The people who hate California are a different bunch than the ones who hate Illinois or, for the most part, Alabama. NJ is mainly known from jokes at their expense by media-powerhouse New York. Few people know enough about South Dakota to care. DC just absorbs opinions of the feds.
I don’t get the love-on for North Carolina and Pennsylvania, I guess.
I *don’t* get the love-on for North Carolina and Pennsylvania, I guess.
Not sure about Pennsylvania, but I think North Carolina is rated so favorably because conservatives like it because it’s part of the South, and liberals like it because it sucks less than most of the rest of the South due to the Research Triangle. (Georgia gets a similar boost because of Atlanta, but lesser because it gets extra hate from conservatives because of civil rights / Black culture.)
Montana does better than the rest of the midwest because it’s romaticised.
So, folks, are we just gonna gloss over this guy calling Montana “Midwest?”
Midwest, at least culturally, can spread from the slopes of the Rockies to the slopes of Appalachia.
I am of the strong opinion that Aurora is Midwest and Denver is west.
Yeah, that’s what I thought. Although I did know there’s a great deal of controversy over how far east if goes, and people laugh at New Yorkers for thinking of Cleveland as basically the same as Kansas.
In Canada, the Prairies go from the Rockies to the Shield region where things get stony and boggy. And extend north until it’s too forested for the descriptor to apply, maybe a quarter of the way to the Arctic coast on average (so it’s mostly taiga nd tundra with just a little bit of farmable area).
Is it not? What would you call it? It doesn’t even end at the Canadian border, really, although we start calling it “prairies” to be distinct.
Source: Live here, have seen that border.
In the US, the “Midwest” means the area from Ohio to the Dakotas (and with a southern limit along the Ohio river and southern border of Missouri and Kansas).
Montana is full-blown “West” (or sometimes “Mountain West” or a member of the “Mountain States,” if you want to distinguish it from the “West Coast” or “Pacific Northwest.”)
If you can grow wheat there, it’s the prairie. Therefore the Midwest. Just how the eastern parts of Colorado are the furthest west parts of the mid west. Unless you want to exclude the prairie states entirely from the mid west, which i wouldn’t do.
That has never been the definition of the Midwest. If you want to go by the census definition, you are wrong.
If you approach if from a cultural or demographic standpoint, you are still wrong.
I would argue that the Midwest ends at the banks of the Mississippi river and maybe carries halfway into the western states. Past that it is a whole nother place.
Montana is mountain west or west. Always has been.
Is West what the census calls it, too?
How many people do you know from the great plains states?
I have family from Kansas and Colorado, who worked the wheat harvests going from north Texas through to the Dakotas and eastern Montana. Eastern Colorado and western Kansas are not very different at all. I don’t see why you would want to say a cultural definition is incorrect when it’s people’s self identity.
“How many people do you know from the great plains states?”
All of them. It’s where I live. It’s where I have lived the majority of my life. But I’m also well traveled and can assure you, there are cultural differences between the regions you are conflating.
Once again, you are wrong. Thank you.
¯\_ (ツ)_/¯ Take it up with the U.S. Census Bureau. It’s their definition, not mine.
The census bureau did not invent the term, nor are they in charge of it.
Lemmy user sem didn’t invent the term, nor are they in charge of it either. But the census bureau has way more precidence than you have ever managed. Take the loss and move on bud.
I’ve never seen or heard Montana called Midwest. It’s more Rockies or Northwest. Eastern half could be considered Great Plains-ish.
I can say for sure none of it’s very Northwestern; even eastern Washington is more like Idaho than the coast.
Rockies is fair, for the part that they actually run through, which seems to be more like a third of the area and inevitably less populated. I guess that’s the part they like to advertise, though, and clearly it has worked.
What are the chances Washington gets dinged for having the same name as DC?
To give them some credit, Americans know basic facts about their own geography, at least. Washington ends up with roughly the same favourability as Oregon here, and the two states do seem awfully similar.
Now, knowing that DC is actually full of ordinary, mostly black people, or that Montana isn’t very different from North Dakota? Maybe not. That’s beyond just map facts.
Seattle and Portland do make up the PNW hippie culture, which I’m sure plenty of respondents find unfavorable
People like the outer banks and It’s Always Sunny. Midwesterners also HATE Chicago/Illinois since that’s the biggest city in the area.
My biggest ahock is that Texas polls so high. Most people who don’t live there absolutely despise Texas in my experience.
What about the Twin Cities? They’re also a major center, and in a “more” midwestern area in some sense, although Chicago is probably bigger.
Chicago is about 3 times the size of the Twin Cities and is generally more well known and payed attention to. The Twin Cities mostly get ignored by the rest of the country, unless something like the murder of George Floyd happens, so that doesn’t move the needle against Minnesota. The only people who really hate them are people in rural Minnesota, but most of them have a lot of state pride so still have a favorable view of Minnesota.
Not sure on Pennsylvania. But for North Carolina, my guess would be the research triangle helping boost it?
Probably more OBX and the mountains. The “research triangle” is boring af and is just cookie cutter neighborhoods and chain restaurants
The Pennsylvania part is really mystifying. Is it riding on the popularity of cheese steaks?
The scenery is the only thing keeping TN green i assure yall
and Dolly Parton
Dolly Parton is a national treasure.
Dolly Parton is a gift to humanity.
Midwesterners absolutely love Nashville for some reason. It’s where everyone wants to have the bachelorette parties these days
Charleston get too expensive?
Finally a map that isn’t just a population distribution.
