I was just perusing the modlog when I noticed something interesting. Apparently posting news about Gaza/Palestine is not allowed on !worldnews@sh.itjust.works. I decided to check the side bar and didn’t see anything. The only pinned post also does not indicate that this is not allowed
edit: the mod in question is @Eyekaytee@aussie.zone . sorry for not originally tagging. i hadn’t realized it was a rule that this must be done. i thought it seemed inappropriate since i was trying to initiate a conversation about a community’s rules and culture rather than start drama about an individual
That a scummy move from the mod. I made a new community where both siding occupation and genocide comments get removed !apologiafreenews@lemmy.world
The two mods are too very known genocide supporters so no surprise here.
Oh of course it’s another goat comm
Goat just keep revealing themselves and acts like everyone else is the weird one.
well yeah, you’re larping that it was me lol
you are the weird one
What’s a goat comm?
Goat from ShitJustWorks, someone who is “highly interested in extremism” to use their own words. MeanwhileOnGrad is their main claim to fame here, which is an attempt to document the things Tankies talk about.
It has been a host to users using Nazi dog whistles. Goat was on Voat, the Nazi clone of reddit made when Reddit banned some alt-rignt community, and got banned from it twice.
Also tried to force guro (gore art for sexual stimulation/pleasure) onto some communities.
So goat is a person. A shite person, but… I see.
Very.
I’m not a bad person, Eugene lies about me a lot, I don’t know why.
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Oh shit, didn’t know about the guro thing. Unsurprising though.
Wrong again. As I explained earlier, it was going to be a medical community for surgeries and trauma
I see you make lots of claims about this, but have yet to see any receipts about these “Dog whistles” on MWoG
Why would they post the dog whistles on the terrible mwog comm?
The Claim: “There’s Nazi/Racist dog whistles posted on MWoG”
Me: “I have yet to see the evidence of The Claim, despite seeing The Claim numerous times, please provide your evidence”
You: trolling attempt
Meanwhile the person I asked for evidence of their claim: crickets
Oh we’re going this way, got it.
You saying you are not seeing it both does not mean it isn’t there and slightly tells on yourself
The Claim: “There’s Nazi/Racist dog whistles posted on MWoG”
Me: “I have yet to see the evidence of The Claim, despite seeing The Claim numerous times, please provide your evidence”
There have been no nazi dog whistles. But there has been antisemitism, one of which comes from a user active in this community.
In this screenshot the user deleted their account of one-to-two years after I questioned why their response to antisemitism and holocaust denialism from Hamas was to shout zionist.
I moderate !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works very strictly when it comes to dogwhistles and hate speech.
What about that one user for months kept saying “degenerate roaches” for months on end?
He was banned for a week, with the condition he does not use that term
Now, a personal request, can you stop calling me a nazi? And my community nazis? It’s extremely hurtful. I have spent years challenging extremists of all kinds, from nazis to tankies to QAnons to religious fundamentalists. I have been banned from many far-right sites and communities for speaking against them. I helped shut down Ruqqus and /r/uncensorednews, which were crawling with neo-nazis. To then be called a nazi myself is deeply hurtful and untrue
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No I don’t
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How do you shamelessly lie about the meaning of zio. Anti zionism is not antisemitism no matter how much you try to say the opposite
Did you not read the screenshot?
The user was insisting on using specifically “zio” – I offered them a chance that they didn’t know about “zio”, gave them a chance to use zionist or any other phrase, but they insisted on using the term coined by David Duke, leader of the KKK.
Zio is simply an abbreviation of Zionist . Just because kkk used the same term wrongly doesn’t mean that people saying zio support the KKK. Even the term antisemite was corned by someone who hated jews and conservatives hijacked the term woke so should we also stop using them. What a ridiculous claim you are saying
I’m not the one using the exact same terminology that the KKK uses. I even said you can use zionazi, zionist, or whatever you want, but don’t specifically use ‘zio’
I recall that this community was upset when a user used the word ‘degenerate’. If we can’t use degenerate, we most certainly cannot use zio, or exclusive phrases that racists and white supremacists use.
I moderate !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works, the largest anti-tankie community across all of Lemmy.
This makes Tankies very upset, and they often lie about posts, such as this one, saying that I was the one removing these things.
There have been no nazi dog whistles; that’s a lie. I moderate the community very strictly. There was also no guro art posted, no idea where that claim came from.
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This is antiyanks, a troll who follows me around all the time. Antiyanks regularly harasses random people for random reasons, he’s unfortunately mentally ill. He’s made a few hundred accounts and all admins and moderators have had their own stories of him. The dead children refers to the posts he’s made where he DMs me pictures of dead children.
The gore community was going to be something like medical gore, an educational community about surgery and how healthcare workers handle trauma
damn, there’s like a whole lore to learn here with this shit. wack
thats lemmy for you
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You should be consistent and oppose Zionism which is the ideology behind the occupation of Palestine. I oppose both Russia and Israel because they are the colonial powers
i do
We literally has a discussion about Zionism where I quoted Herzl writings that show that he supported displacing people to be able to create the state and you shamelessly say that he had no influence while Israel declaration of independence mentioned him as the spiritual father of the Jewish State and allowed other zinoists to spread their propaganda in your community
I was quoting you when you said the Grand Mufti, Amin al-Husseini, meeting with Adolf Hitler had little influence and is insignificant
I explained to you why the Mufti has limited influence. I never said he has no influence at all. I told you that most arabs sided with the allies despite the mufti trying to make them supporting nazis. So he couldn’t have all the influence you and the big fraud Netanyahu.
lmao classic
I didn’t do this, I gave the community up months ago
Which is definitely obvious when still the top mod in said comm.
Modlog is public and you can see I no longer moderate or even comment in that community, I don’t care for it.
why do you want me to leave the position and give it to ikt?
Pointing out how I never said you did anything but that it’s your comm, and that would be what most people think has been done when said I gave it up
You seem to not care at all about it but don’t want to give it up, odd
alright, i checked and i don’t even have the option to leave lol
the only thing i can do is demote ikt or delete the community.
“No I don’t care about it at all, but I will keep it up and not do anything else. I will however spend hours defending how much I don’t care.”
Oh you’re that nutcase raging we didn’t ban someone for having an opinion you didn’t like? You literally claimed their post was a crime against humanity…
Oh you’re that nutcase who consider victim blaming an opinion that should be respected
Context for any other person interested : someone justified the mistreatment of the flotilla activists getting abused by saying the activists knew what would happen to them and that they are only doing a publicity stunt and the mods refused to remove it
Here’s the real context.
Op thinks this comment constitutes a literal human rights abuse and that the user should be banned.
They also feel that telling this user to go kill themselves is fine and that the death threat should not have been removed
Have some shame. I said that it is victim blaming the people who got abused by Israel and that Israel did human right abuses.
I never said that kill themselves is fine. either. Show the comment where I explicitly said it
I’m gonna side with the other guy here. You know we can see the modlog right? All I gotta say is wow.
My modlog show that i critsized victim blaming the people who got abused by Israel and called to remove victim blaming
It shows you generally being a dick to people you disagree with. One line even said “scums like you should be iced.”
I only insult people defending objectivly undefensible things like victim blaming, not people who simply disagree with me about subjectivd things. People like that are scums and i will not be politically correct about it. The other guy said i should be iced first and i simply repeated his rhetoric
Escalating when someone slights you can certainly have no parallels to current events, no sir.
Prioritizing civility in discussions about a genocide is indefensible
Oh what a shock, it’s Goat, the known tolerator of Nazis until they get called out on it too often.
Wild but unsurprising goat only cares about clearing their good name over how shitty the only other mod is
goat loves to lie, it’s like their primary method of engagement
And then say us documenting their actions (that they then go back and edit) are the real liars.
Screenshot Goat, they’ll remove their posts to make you seem like you lied.
it’s that or straight up gaslighting. When I called out the widespread use of ‘degenerate’ on meanwhile on grad being used to dehumanize whatever ‘tankies’ that they were sneering at, I provided 3 examples of different users doing that; one of those users in a direct reply to goat.
none of the posts in question got removed
goat has since said that ‘oh it was only one user’ - never mind that it was only the most egregious user out of all the examples I happened to provide (not an exhaustive list).
But he got banned for a week after months is dog whistles! That’s totally being fair! Just accept months of insults and dehumanizing.
Also what dehumanizing language have we used on him? I’d love to see the full context.
I linked the post; according to goat ‘a lot’ of context is coming soon™
From the context that exists it sounds like the dehumanizing language is calling them fascists? I would love to have them elaborate so it can be addressed rather than vaguely gesturing.
no I don’t like it when snark communities hold me responsible for anothers actions.
if you have a trouble with the moderation go and take it up with them, not me
Ohhhh I get it, you think this is a snark place. Or just want attention
I absoutely do think it’s a snark place, yeah.
Like i’m being held responsible for actions that someone else did
Going with wanting attention
The other mod is as bad if not worse
No you don’t understand he find extremism fascinating on both sides
But only criticises one, strangely enough
“I hate all extremism, I just only publicly declare my hatred for one and don’t mind it when the others join me doing it.”
I criticise all extremists
Extremism comes from everywhere, not from these both sides
Yeah for example you’re an extreme centrist
lol whats that mean?
Well for example you’re still “neutral” in the gazan genocide aren’t ya?
nope. i don’t approve of Israel’s military actions in gaza and I don’t approve of Hamas’ actions either
Exactly. “Very fine people on both aide”
Wasn’t me fuckwit
your are still the second mod of that community , you are still responsible
I gave the community away, and I don’t plan on moderating it. I’m remaining the head moderator in case of any potential drama or mod abuse from ikt.
I will wait for you to remove the other pro genocide mod for that community
Why should I entertain any of your demands when you call me a nazi even though I’ve asked people not to say that because it’s hurtful?
Look, I don’t know anything about you, and I’m not the person who said that, new to the thread, but you said you wanted to remain head moderator in case of mod abuse. We’re seeing mod abuse. It’s time to kick the other one out. Refusal after being made aware of this is approval if you want to remain head moderator to remove other mods for mod abuse.
Well, it’s only mod abuse if it goes against the rules they’ve made. If they make a new rule stating no i/p content, then it wouldn’t be mod abuse.
but yeah I’ve brought this to their attention and told them to rework their previous rules. If they don’t, then I’ll be resigning from the community, as I have no interest in moderating a worldnews community
Really though it’s a minuscule community, with one post per day
Don’t you mean eugenevdebs’s called you a nazi?
If you want to not remove him fine , don’t complain after that when people call you a zionist and anti Palestinian liberation person
I also never called him one, I said he tolerates Nazis on his instance. I’ve called him out on it, but he’s not a Nazi. Some of the people there are, and are allowed in. That’s my problem.
Oh, apologies, I got you mixed up with someone else
Yikes, sorry for thinking the community that you’re still a mod of was possibly you, especially after you’ve previously shown simular situations of banning people for things you don’t like.
I accept your apology, can you please edit a strikethrough of your previous comment?
Which two? There’s three mods on !worldnews@sh.itjust.works
Also I’d recommend the following comms as being pretty good:
I don’t fully promise they’re good as I don’t usually track this stuff super closely
/edit/: added the quokk.au community since people here seem to like it
I’m biased towards !world@quokk.au
There is 2 mod accounts belonging to the same person
ah! i see
!world@quokk.au
From globalnews
This type of comment is why I decided to create a new community for news. Instead of criticizing Trump, some people still cry about democrats losing the election. Those type of comments would directly be removed from my community and after 3 deleted comments it’s a ban
Just from an outside perspective:
you’re playing the same game die a different side. What kind of consistent ruleset warrants a delete and ban for this?
Power tripping for the right cause is still a powertrip.
Edit: I just realize that just leaving it like this reads purely confrontational which was not my original inten:
You can do better! If you want to have this kind of moderation that is actually fine in my book: as long as it’s transparent and consistent.
The exact rule must depend on the answer to what kind of community you want to build. Openly progressive vs openly debating vs aggressively neutral for example.
I know you can do it, because anyone who has the energy to take on this endeavor has the potential to grow ❤️.
I expect we will see mrdown posted about frequently on here for being a PTB.
Why should anybody tolerate people defending settler colonialism , occupation, genocide etc?
Because anything can be framed negative and without transparency about your personal ruleset on what those empty words mean it’s just Fox News brabble.
It’s not about tolerating intolerance, not at all. It’s about transparent consistency. That’s what preventing the powertrip: rules that you create AND THEN OBEY. Doesn’t matter what those rules are. But if you’re definition of occupation suddenly matches Medicaid I’d the mrdown fan club then you need to support people discussing it.
That’s the whole difference.
Btw your sentence a bit changed is what the trump goons actually use at the moment: “why should anyone tolerate criminals?”. And those fuckers just declared anything they don’t like “illegal”.
That’s what I’m asking: that everyone has the space to grow. That’s why I recommend you to create transparent rules that you obey yourself: to not become like those shitheads. Because they are full of people absolutely sure if themselves with no way to reflect, no way to think.
Actually it is you who use trump and maga rhetoric. Trump and maga are champions of claiming to be for freedom and speech yet censor other.
Trump definition of criminals is so ridiculous. Israel is objectively supporting genocide and settler colonialism we have ton of idf whistleblower, human right reports including israeli ones , isrseli leaders genocidal statements. Same apply to russia
Oh. I misjudged you, apologies.
Let me get this straight. Do you want a news community where nobody can criticise the DNC for the terrible policy decisions that lost them the last election, and which they seem determined to carry through into the next election? I mean, have any Democrats have even admitted Israel is committing genocide in Gaza yet? The official party line continues to be full throated support for Zionism from both sides of the aisle.
If you’re planning to go down that road you should just call it DNC/Hasbara approved news or something, so folks know what they are getting.
There’s a reason leftists don’t bang on about Trump all the time. It’s because he’s a lost cause. He’s a literal fascist. Nobody on Lemmy needs convincing Trump is the worst US President in history. Imo convincing Dems they should lurch left instead of right (for once) could help win them the next election. But they just don’t want to listen, don’t want to change, and seem intent on ontracising the left instead of taking on board perfectly legitimate criticisms of the party’s leadership and policies.
I was not clear, the thing that would not be allowed in this screenshot would be the person defending Harris. The first comment i removed was someone defending Harris in relation to the genocide. I allow opinions, i don’t allow people defending objective terrible things like arming israel and support the genocide and settler colonialiam
Ok maybe I misunderstood your comment then.
So you’re running a shitlib echo chamber? hard pass.
If I wanted that, I’d go to lemmy.world!
It’s like saying banning neo Nazi or defending Hitler make me an echo chambers. How funny how you call that a shitlib when Harris is a lib and I don’t tolerate anybody defending people supporting Israel colonialism and other colonial powers like Russia
the politics commuity is equally as problematic, with regards to calling out jewish backers of israel, getting called nazi and antisemite, referring to as the “1930s” nazi speak. also i notice its ragebait reflects r/politics alot (blame this democrat),etc.
can you go into more detail?