The fact that there are two references to Musk in Discovery is a bit disheartening. There’s this one from Lorca but another when Tilly says she went to a school named after Musk.
I choose to believe that in this alternate universe he kept his mouth shut.
Specifically, he’s the reason Hollywood is where it is. After his company invented movie cameras, he attempted to collect royalties on any movie created by an Edison camera, even having people harass and ruin movie sets and studios if they didn’t (as most movies were being produced in and around New York). So a lot of studios said “fuck you, you wanna collect, you’re gonna have to work for it” and moved across the country to California.
No where near as much bad stuff as the internet thinks, likewise Tesla didn’t do anywhere near as much good stuff as people say - he’s didn’t even invent AC.
The elephant thing gets hugely overblown too, it was going to be killed regardless, he just suggested a quicker and less cruel method (they had intended to hang it)
At least Henry Ford was a successful businessman while he moonlighted as a fascist. I bet SpaceX is his only company that will survive, and he doesn’t run it.
It’s my estimation that every man ever got a statue made of him was one kind of sommremoved or another. Ain’t about you, Jayne. It’s about what they need.
That’s very true. However those people weren’t shouting their horrific views to the world through an internationally used service. They also weren’t reported on by worldwide media and memed to high heaven. There’s a pretty solid record at this point of Elon being a cuntwaffle. Hard to forget that.
Doesn’t even have to bei a century. Plenty of people thinking Bill Gates is a cool dude, despite the shady and outright illegal shit Microsoft pulled off to make him rich.
People who think positively about Gates do so largely because of the genuinely positive charitable work he’s done since leaving Microsoft. I don’t think many people are defending Microsoft’s anticompetitive practices.
I mean, Musk IRL became famous in the late 1990s through to 2020s. What do we know about that time period in the Star Trek universe?
I think it’s pretty safe to say that even if their Musk is the same “person”, his upbringing and circumstances would be so different that it’s not hard to believe that even if he was the same narcissistic arsehole, he did end up using that in a direction that genuinely furthered humanity’s technical progress, if only as a convenient byproduct.
It’s near impossible to not be a piece of shit if your a billionaire. The only way to get that much money is to use people’s necks as ladder rungs the whole way up, then destroy the ladder after you got to the top.
I’ve not seen the newer star trek shows yet, but given the whole global war stuff that happens in the star trek universe between now and the time the stories are usually set in, perhaps crucial details about who Musk was were lost to history, and he’s just remembered for something spaceX did at some point, or he’s had a pr campaign that was successful at getting history books of the future to portray him in a more flattering light?
It is just that lying, bribing and being narcissistic are admiral traits in the Mirror Universe
Lying, bribing, and being narcissistic are considered admirable traits among specific social circles in our universe, too, especially the ones that babble about “Dark Triad theory” as a good thing to be emulated.
The fact that there are two references to Musk in Discovery is a bit disheartening. There’s this one from Lorca but another when Tilly says she went to a school named after Musk.
I choose to believe that in this alternate universe he kept his mouth shut.
Think of all the shitty historical figures that are celebrated today because a century later no one remembers what they were actually like
Or people do remember but it’s “not polite” to bring it up. How many schools are named after Colombus? Or Edison?
Edison might be a pretty apt analogy, come to think of it.
A little bit out of the loop here, what did Edison do?
More like what didn’t he do. He had a long list of underhanded and ruthless activities and stole most of his “inventions”.
Come to think of it, I feel like there would be a strong Ven diagram of Musk and Edison. Just a feeling.
Specifically, he’s the reason Hollywood is where it is. After his company invented movie cameras, he attempted to collect royalties on any movie created by an Edison camera, even having people harass and ruin movie sets and studios if they didn’t (as most movies were being produced in and around New York). So a lot of studios said “fuck you, you wanna collect, you’re gonna have to work for it” and moved across the country to California.
Fair enough
Look up “Topsy the elephant” (among other things).
Yikes
No where near as much bad stuff as the internet thinks, likewise Tesla didn’t do anywhere near as much good stuff as people say - he’s didn’t even invent AC.
The elephant thing gets hugely overblown too, it was going to be killed regardless, he just suggested a quicker and less cruel method (they had intended to hang it)
They were gonna hang an elephant?!
Apparently yeah, I can’t remember it’s crime but I think it killed the owner that mistreated it
At least Henry Ford was a successful businessman while he moonlighted as a fascist. I bet SpaceX is his only company that will survive, and he doesn’t run it.
Tesla is doing great because he isn’t running it. Same with SpaceX.
-Malcon Reynolds
Whedon would know, wouldn’t he?
Unexpected firefly (still hurts).
That’s very true. However those people weren’t shouting their horrific views to the world through an internationally used service. They also weren’t reported on by worldwide media and memed to high heaven. There’s a pretty solid record at this point of Elon being a cuntwaffle. Hard to forget that.
Anyone who respects Churchill.
Doesn’t even have to bei a century. Plenty of people thinking Bill Gates is a cool dude, despite the shady and outright illegal shit Microsoft pulled off to make him rich.
People who think positively about Gates do so largely because of the genuinely positive charitable work he’s done since leaving Microsoft. I don’t think many people are defending Microsoft’s anticompetitive practices.
@Stamets I choose to believe thre was someone else by this name who wasn’t an idiot. They mean the 22nd Century Elon Musk.
I would love it if they actually did that.
Elaan musc
Ah yes, from the TOS episode “
ElaanElon of Troyius”.E’luhn Ma’asq, famous Vulcan scientist
Elian Müsc
I mean, Musk IRL became famous in the late 1990s through to 2020s. What do we know about that time period in the Star Trek universe?
I think it’s pretty safe to say that even if their Musk is the same “person”, his upbringing and circumstances would be so different that it’s not hard to believe that even if he was the same narcissistic arsehole, he did end up using that in a direction that genuinely furthered humanity’s technical progress, if only as a convenient byproduct.
An alternative timeline in which Elon isn’t a huge piece of shit. Hard to fathom, but it’s the only way I can see that working.
It’s near impossible to not be a piece of shit if your a billionaire. The only way to get that much money is to use people’s necks as ladder rungs the whole way up, then destroy the ladder after you got to the top.
Honestly though. That or he listened to Public Relations people and decided not to be his whole damn self.
Maybe he learned to not be an asshole during the Eugenics Wars of the 1990s.
We all know which side of the war Elon would be in the non-mirror universe. Not the side that won.
Like Wernher von Braun?
I’ve not seen the newer star trek shows yet, but given the whole global war stuff that happens in the star trek universe between now and the time the stories are usually set in, perhaps crucial details about who Musk was were lost to history, and he’s just remembered for something spaceX did at some point, or he’s had a pr campaign that was successful at getting history books of the future to portray him in a more flattering light?
This line was foreshadowing Lorca’s origin. You see, mirror Musk was actually competent, making him the precise inverse of real Musk.
I don’t care that the timing is suspect and there’s another Musk reference in Discovery, I’ll die on this hill.
Nah, Mirror Musk was exactly the same as he is now.
It is just that lying, bribing and being narcissistic are admiral traits in the Mirror Universe
Lying, bribing, and being narcissistic are considered admirable traits among specific social circles in our universe, too, especially the ones that babble about “Dark Triad theory” as a good thing to be emulated.
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I firmly believe that someone had to talk the writer responsible out of making Tilly a graduate of Bit Connect High School.