They genuinely tend to think the only thing wrong with the nazis was thst they were doing a holocaust
Generous, “a holocaust” implies a somewhat general opposition to genocide. A lot of people only seem to think that it was bad that they invaded Western European countries and killed Jewish people.
I am constantly thwarted by the generosity I extend to my enemies despite considering myself entirely cynical and ruthless when it comes to them. And that’s not cause im secretly nice! I would visit hell upon these loathsome fucks and yet they manage to move that goalpost.
I am constantly thwarted by the generosity I extend to my enemies despite considering myself entirely cynical and ruthless when it comes to them.
FR, I feel this way constantly. I think it is ultimately a good thing to empathize even with the people you might believe should be wiped from the face of the earth. Many are simply misguided and misled even if they ultimately might have to be done away with by one means or another for the greater good.
We are the bearers of this burden and while I believe that violence as last resort is inevitable, hurting others hurts us. I’ve thrown down many a time and even in the most justified instance hurting another being always hurts me too. Whether it’s a tick or another human it never feels good to take a life or harm another being. When it comes to another human it is less so, as I have always tried to reason before coming to blows it doesn’t lessen the lingering impact much.
I’ve hurt a lot of people that definitely “deserved it” but each time I feel like it kills a part of myself. The important thing to do is to remain aware of these things and not allow vengefulness to completely consume us. That is where it gets dangerous. We must cling to our empathetic instincts like we would a life raft in a violent storm. We are all the hope in the world and if we let that righteous fury consume us it can lead to something terrible even with the best of intentions.
Oh, dont get me wrong. I want them dead. That line is so past crossed that irs near voyager 1 or so now. What they are pushing at is me wishing cruelty instead of death
I feel you. I just don’t know how many people on this site have actually participated in the amount of or kind of violence they (justifiably) endorse. It isn’t a path you can come back from. I try to be as pacifist as I can be these days but it has been less than two months since I “relapsed”. It was justified, but again, this is something you must engage with grave consideration. Every blow is a blow at your own humanity. I understand this more than likely most people on this forum understand. And if you are wondering, no I have never been a part of the imperialist war machine, all I have done has been of my own accord.
War may never change, but war changes you. And not for the better, even in the best cases.
Replying to this well involves getting into some personally identifiable things…but ive seen and have had to hage been involved in some really violent stuff and like 30 people I know died in 2 years from fent, 11 were fairly close, one had threatened my roomste with a tire iron for coke money while I was asleep despite us being good friends prior and died a month or so later and I felt nothing. I have a few similar situations they crossed a line and I either didnt care or was glad they died.
I have lost so many people to meth and opioids. The way the current admin is weaponizing their and others death and suffering to justify murdering innocent fishermen and trying to kill a LatAm leader makes me sick and want to do adventurism.
For the record I would never do such a thing because adventurism is futile and if this post ever makes headlines because of some false flag shit I am 100% against adventurist bullshit.
We build above ground power and leave the rest to others.
Sorry to reply to you in three different places, but I thought it would be worth mentioning that while I absolutely reject the idea of anyone “deserving” to suffer because “deserving” is a counterproductive and moralistic framework, it might be possible from what you say that you are effectively respecting them too much on an intellectual level, whatever affectation you have on a moral level. It took me a long time to really internalize that feeling respect for shitlibs is an error that will derail how you think and how you approach things. Speaking respectfully and believing in human potential are broadly good things, but one needs to simultaneously cement in their mind that there is nothing too foolish or despicable for them to say, no lie too blatant, no rhetoric too underhanded, no low too low. It’s all just a matter of if you happen to draw it out or not.
I think ive already said, there a line, and its pretty far beyond crossed regarding my empathy and im pretty happy with the level ive got, its not low, crimes against humanity are just like…a really big deal to me. And part of me likes revenge a lot. The best revenge is always living well. But that high road requires basically the same steps as the low road. So whether im feeling mad or hopeful im covered.
Revenge is 100% a social-emotional pathology, that’s not what I’m talking about. I’m talking about how one fairs in terms of thinking on their feet talking to these people, that intellectual respect can put your expectations so out of wack (see your “generosity”) that when they surprise you with how terrible they are, it can throw you off. That’s all.
Generous, “a holocaust” implies a somewhat general opposition to genocide. A lot of people only seem to think that it was bad that they invaded Western European countries and killed Jewish people.
I am constantly thwarted by the generosity I extend to my enemies despite considering myself entirely cynical and ruthless when it comes to them. And that’s not cause im secretly nice! I would visit hell upon these loathsome fucks and yet they manage to move that goalpost.
FR, I feel this way constantly. I think it is ultimately a good thing to empathize even with the people you might believe should be wiped from the face of the earth. Many are simply misguided and misled even if they ultimately might have to be done away with by one means or another for the greater good.
We are the bearers of this burden and while I believe that violence as last resort is inevitable, hurting others hurts us. I’ve thrown down many a time and even in the most justified instance hurting another being always hurts me too. Whether it’s a tick or another human it never feels good to take a life or harm another being. When it comes to another human it is less so, as I have always tried to reason before coming to blows it doesn’t lessen the lingering impact much.
I’ve hurt a lot of people that definitely “deserved it” but each time I feel like it kills a part of myself. The important thing to do is to remain aware of these things and not allow vengefulness to completely consume us. That is where it gets dangerous. We must cling to our empathetic instincts like we would a life raft in a violent storm. We are all the hope in the world and if we let that righteous fury consume us it can lead to something terrible even with the best of intentions.
Oh, dont get me wrong. I want them dead. That line is so past crossed that irs near voyager 1 or so now. What they are pushing at is me wishing cruelty instead of death
I feel you. I just don’t know how many people on this site have actually participated in the amount of or kind of violence they (justifiably) endorse. It isn’t a path you can come back from. I try to be as pacifist as I can be these days but it has been less than two months since I “relapsed”. It was justified, but again, this is something you must engage with grave consideration. Every blow is a blow at your own humanity. I understand this more than likely most people on this forum understand. And if you are wondering, no I have never been a part of the imperialist war machine, all I have done has been of my own accord.
War may never change, but war changes you. And not for the better, even in the best cases.
Replying to this well involves getting into some personally identifiable things…but ive seen and have had to hage been involved in some really violent stuff and like 30 people I know died in 2 years from fent, 11 were fairly close, one had threatened my roomste with a tire iron for coke money while I was asleep despite us being good friends prior and died a month or so later and I felt nothing. I have a few similar situations they crossed a line and I either didnt care or was glad they died.
I have lost so many people to meth and opioids. The way the current admin is weaponizing their and others death and suffering to justify murdering innocent fishermen and trying to kill a LatAm leader makes me sick and want to do adventurism.
For the record I would never do such a thing because adventurism is futile and if this post ever makes headlines because of some false flag shit I am 100% against adventurist bullshit.
We build above ground power and leave the rest to others.
Sorry to reply to you in three different places, but I thought it would be worth mentioning that while I absolutely reject the idea of anyone “deserving” to suffer because “deserving” is a counterproductive and moralistic framework, it might be possible from what you say that you are effectively respecting them too much on an intellectual level, whatever affectation you have on a moral level. It took me a long time to really internalize that feeling respect for shitlibs is an error that will derail how you think and how you approach things. Speaking respectfully and believing in human potential are broadly good things, but one needs to simultaneously cement in their mind that there is nothing too foolish or despicable for them to say, no lie too blatant, no rhetoric too underhanded, no low too low. It’s all just a matter of if you happen to draw it out or not.
I think ive already said, there a line, and its pretty far beyond crossed regarding my empathy and im pretty happy with the level ive got, its not low, crimes against humanity are just like…a really big deal to me. And part of me likes revenge a lot. The best revenge is always living well. But that high road requires basically the same steps as the low road. So whether im feeling mad or hopeful im covered.
Revenge is 100% a social-emotional pathology, that’s not what I’m talking about. I’m talking about how one fairs in terms of thinking on their feet talking to these people, that intellectual respect can put your expectations so out of wack (see your “generosity”) that when they surprise you with how terrible they are, it can throw you off. That’s all.