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In the gates of straights of hormuz being open game, it is reported that Iran has made a blanket offer to countries expelling both Israel and US ambassadors to get a free pass. The normal process when you withdraw your embassador is that “enemy” must withdraw as well. You just need to ask Trump about whether he approves of Spain’s action against Israel to get removal of Spain’s ambassador to US, and then free stuff from Gulf for Spain, unless the US/Israel bombs their ships.
Ah. The anti-Semitic card.
Look here. Being of an opposing opinion with the government of Israel, has nothing to do with opposing Jewism.
It is the same with disliking the CCP and liking the Chinese. I care for the people but not for their arsehole countries / governments.
Exactly
Ah. The anti-Semitic card.
They could use some new cards, they’ve worn that one out.
They’ve playing the “few weeks before Iran has nukes” card for 30 years and in the end someone took the bait. You just need the right kind of player at the table and that worn out card still can win the game.
They might as well get that card glued to the table with how often they try to play it
Which other countries has Spain recently withdrawn their ambassadors from?
If it’s only Israel, then an accusation of antisemitism has a reason.
After looking a bit, Spain withdrew their ambassador from Argentina for something petty. Also from Nicaragua after they had complained about Spanish colonial attitudes.
Of course Spain also did shit like revoke diplomatic status of the Flemish ambassador over supporting independence for Catalonia.
So yeah, it looks like Spain is still all into their imperialism regarding Latin America, and of course keep the Basques and Catalans under their thumb.
Only one of those countries is guilty of genocide. Strange that you didn’t mention that.
Spain is not allowed to criticise genocide because of something that happened in the middle ages? Are you serious?
If you have to go that far back, you’re not a serious person.
The actions of former governments in Spain are not the actions of the current government of Spain.
If they did this to a Christian nation, would it be anti Christian? Or anti Muslim for a Muslim country?
Israel’s actions aren’t derived from being Jewish.
Fuck that yes it is.
Have you read the Old Testament?
The difference is that there’s only one Jewish state.
Judaism is also a religion, but Jews are not just a religious group. They are an ethnicity and nation first. Lots of Jews are secular or atheists.
If you attack Ireland, its anti Irish more than anti catholic.
Israel‘s actions are derived from wanting to secure the nation state for the Jewish people. The reason Israel is in the Levant and Jerusalem is very much derived from Jewish history, culture, religion, and identity.
Iran has threatened to destroy Israel for decades and has actively been working on that goal.
Excusing wars of conquest, ethnic cleansing, and genocide as “wanting to secure a nation state for one ethnicity” is quite literally the Nazi playbook.
Securing a nation state for Jewish people at the expense of the Palestinians who have been living in the area for millennia.
This Jewish nation state was secured by colonial settler Jews not native to the region migrating to the region and taking land for themselves around a century ago after the collapse of the Ottoman empire. They are still to this day expanding their state by stealing the Palestinian land.
The hatred of Israel by its neighbors is not for no reason and it is not because they are Jews. The Irish were also not fans of the British colonising them, neither were the native people of the Americas when their land was stolen by European settlers. Israel is just another case of European settlers stealing land and causing trouble where they don’t belong.
Based Spain tbh
Well at least Spain has the balls to stand for humanity. My country is being a 'lil removed about it again. Bloody politicians that are spineless.
I’m from Germany, not much better here 😕
Sie können echt machen was sie wollen und sobald wir nicht absolut hinter ihnen stehen sind wir Antisemiten. Das muss aufhören.
Stattdessen wollen wir noch mehr mit Israel zusammenarbeiten, vor allem militärisch. Aber scheinbar ist es ja okay, wenn es die Guten sind, die Menschen töten und es ist nur schlimm, wenn es die Bösen, wie Russland oder China, machen.
Ja, wir stehen ja alle voll dahinter. Also außer dem Volk natürlich, das denkt inzwischen anders.
Und ja, leider zeigt die aktuelle Situation mit ihren vielen Facetten gerade sehr ausdrücklich dass Regeln nur dann wichtig sind, wenn bestimmte sie nicht befolgen.
Ich frage mich immer ob allen Beteiligten klar is wohin es führt wenn das am Ende jeder versteht.
All of Europe is pretty bad on the global stage right now, but Germany is the worst.
Love to Germany from Sweden
Germany wanting to have the strongest army in Europe and investing more money into the military than it ever has since Nazi Germany is totally not something we should worry about
Noone expects the Spanish Inquisition!
Spain has conscience
Just like when there was a big flu about 100 years ago. The world made fun of them for taking action and decided to name the flu after them.
Good. Now expel the US ambassador and Iran will allow Spanish oil through the Straits of Hormuz
Iran doesn’t actually have the capacity to do that. They’re trying to mine the waters and they have no naval power to secure safe passage. The reality is that even if a country did comply with Iran’s demands, there’s a very good chance that the ship will get hit anyway by some rogue regional commander or some random mine.
Keep in mind, previous administrations were well aware of this scenario which is why they didn’t whack the mullah regime in this way even though they could’ve easily done it. The current situation can only be achieved by an idiot who lacks the ability to understand the consequences of their actions like Trump.
The current situation can only be achieved by an idiot who lacks the ability to understand the consequences of their actions like Trump.
Or by someone who couldn’t care less, because his rich buddies can now charge exorbinant prices and also has a new source for oil in Venezuela, which they can also sell for exorbitant prices.
They’re trying to mine the waters
absolute lie that Iran has no need to do at this time. They have full drone control over the straights/Gulf and can sink any ship at any time. Blew up 3 last night. The closer it passes by Iran the easier.
Most credible news agencies are reporting that they already started mining waters. Their goal is to close the strait, not control it. They can’t compete with America or Israel in air or naval power, so this is their alternative of applying pressure without having military superiority.
news is extremely stupid as a result of perpetual propaganda/lie machine. They can say your absurdities either to promote illusion of winning, the US started bombing civilian small boats and there needed an excuse, and 40 years ago that was strategy.
They can’t compete with America or Israel in air or naval power, so this is their alternative of applying pressure without having military superiority.
They 100% still have the power to control the Straights with supreme drone control and will use the power to selectively allow friendly shipping as they were doing yesterday. and your comment is pure stupidity if not purposeful lie.
3 people downvoted my original correction. Stop your ignorance by quitting your media.
All that olive oil has to go somewhere.
My understanding is the current PM of Spain, Pedro Sanchez, is incredibly unpopular in the country and is pretty much universally hated. National polls put his party, PSOE, at just 26% support. He is consistently losing to the conservative party, PP, and the hard right party, VOX, is quickly catching up to both. There’s a very good chance that the right wing parties are going to win the next general election in 2027 and form a majority coalition. The right wing parties, especially VOX, are very much pro Israel and against everything Sanchez does. So there’s a good chance that all this good will towards Palestine is going to be reversed next year if he and his party fail to maintain their seats.
Vox is a minority party, and are not going to win the general. The danger is only they’d be put into a coalition with the center right party, PP.
And that’s looking much less likely - Sanchez and the center-left aren’t overly popular, but opposition to the Iran War and the US in general is massively popular. Vox is the only party that’s been dumb enough to support Trump over Spain (ironic for supposed nationalists), and it’s going to cost them. Even the remnants of the Falange are breaking with them on this.
Are we believing in polls again after they have been consistently wrong for the last decade? Almost as stupid as believing polls a year and a half out from a general election means something, like reading tea leaves at this stage. The incumbent is never popular at this point, extreme views at this point tend to temper at the polling booth, especially since the Spanish economy is doing well.
The Spanish public are still massively anti Israel due to all of their genocide and everything.
and they’re massively against the US, especially as Trump has tried to attack Spain
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Hopefully you’re just naive/propagandised, Mr/Miss mod, and not just an evil little Zionist.
Calling Israelis animals and European settlers is repeating antisemitic tropes.
what??? antisemitic tropes are literally the opposite of European settlers / colonialists, it’s framing them as non-white outsiders undermining European societies.
European settlers are who made this trope.
They’re not calling Israelis, as a group, animals. They’re calling these particular nazi douchebags animals (who happen to be the regime controlling the state of Israel at the moment).
Animals sure, European settlers? No, that’s historical fact.
There weren’t accepted as Europeans in Europe. That’s the whole reason Zionism even started.
Yes, to get rid of them. We shipped them to the middle east and they agreed. Israelis are just self-hating jews who agreed not to mix with white people and stay on the wrong side of the mediteranea. Internalised antisemitism
Also they have bought into the promise of being tolerated, sometimes even supported, as long as they participate in the oppression of ethnicities further down in the colonial and racist hierarchy.
No doubt, but murdering and forcing people out of their homes isn’t an appropriate way to deal with being persecuted. A religious document about some people millennia ago doesn’t actually give you any entitlement to someone else’s land. And from the very beginning, Zionism’s goal was to exclude Arabs from the region, based on plain racist hatred. Just because they were victims of antisemitism in Europe does not mean they couldn’t continue to perpetrate their own evils, and it’s notable that the antisemite leaders of the time wholeheartedly supported the Zionist project, as do by and large their descendants in the fascist movements of today - because it gets the Jews out of Europe and kills Muslims, they think of it as two birds with one stone. The only long term solution anywhere is for everyone to have equal rights, and it is wrong for Europe and now the US to export their apartheid elsewhere.
Theodor Herzl‘s book Der Judenstaat paints a future where Jews and Arabs live together peacefully. He was kind of an influential Zionist.
Jews moving to Israel bought their land legally, often malaria infested swampland where nobody lived. The locals answered to this peaceful immigration of refugees with violence (Hebron massacre, Arab revolt, etc.).
As you correctly point out, Jews had nowhere else to go. Israel was the place where they could survive and have a future as a people.
They bought land “legally” from previous colonizers. British law shouldn’t have been valid there in the first place
Land ownership was dealt with under the ottoman system.
Eh, it’s dehumanizing but I wouldn’t call it antisemitic.
That’s literally what a good majority of them are. European Jews…
I was referring to the animals bit.
you should definitely dehumanize settlers tho
FFS it’s the genocidal assholes who are animals in their statement. Stop finding problems where there are none.
Being human is immutable, no matter your religion or criminal record. The problem here is that you seem to think that some form of moral high ground gives you the power to deprive someone of their humanity, and frankly I find that disgusting. No one gets to decide who is human and who is not.
Whoever subscribes to “might makes right” ideology is a beast, and that’s what’s behind both Zionism and Western supremacy (which are basically the same thing). Also, they literally aren’t Semitic, they’re just Polish, Ukrainian, German, and other kinds of European who invaded the land and settled there. Semitic people exist, of course, they’re the locals who have been targeted by Europeans for millennia.
Jews, including Ashkenazi, have Levantine DNA. Jews in Europe were not accepted as Polish, German, etc. That was the whole reason Zionism became a thing.
Antisemitism is a term coined specifically to be a more polite word for Jew hatred and Anti-Judaism. Semitic is a linguistic term, not an ethnic one.
How does that excuse being a genocidal appartheid state. Yes, european were antisemite. We know.
including Ashkenazi, have Levantine DNA
They specifically do not, which is why Israel forbids DNA analysis. Their eastern European origin is the result of “pick a fucking religion” ultimatum to entirely separate people.
Israel doesn’t forbid DNA analysis. That’s simply a propaganda lie you fell for. There’s active research, as you can read about in this article for example. https://www.jpost.com/archaeology/article-860458
There’s ample scientific research you can look up. Even Wikipedia has an overview.
Way to slut shame the Israelites. I guess then everyone should have the divine supremacist right of “Thou shalt steal the land of those you must murder and destroy idols from”. Civilizational constraints are so inconvenient, but fortunately now, everyone can be a genocidal chosenite, and we can end the civilizational principles/rules experiment.
Hey, I’ve sent you one DM. Can you please check?
Thanks.
Semitic is a linguistic term, not an ethnic one.
The sons of Shem shared the land with the Caananites (sons of Ham (also Noah’s son), though like Indians who never heard of India, their fellow Levant/Sumerian decendant tribes never heard of Caanan or Ham) and had extremely similar language to Hebrew. They shared the same god that Abraham named his IsraELite children, that Moses would later tell us that (no god before me) Yahweh had demonically impersonated, where Yahweh was one of 70 sons of El.
So Semite, is either just the Israelite descendants of Shem/Abraham, or the entirety of the Levant/Mesopotamia people if language based. The Ashkenazi are none of these, whether or not they went to Hebrew School.
