In this case, it’s a shame it didn’t go to court. I don’t want to defend an actual predator, but generally there are lots of accusations, not one person.
That’s not to say that it didn’t happen. It absolutely could have and we should give any victim the benefit of the doubt. The court case not proceeding due to a technicality doesn’t seem like justice served for anyone nor for society.
It says something, or at least suggests something, that the charges were dropped because she didn’t continue to file the proper forms on time. And then not only the sexual assault accusations, but the accusations that his sister helped in creating a “hostile work environment”? Stinks to high heaven of revenge accusations.
Any competent attorney would have made sure that that paperwork was filed on time, and she should have no problem getting a competent attorney with such a financially lucrative target.
And then of course there are the long running rumors that Diesel is gay, and just hasn’t come out because that doesn’t play well for an action star…
I’d never thought about the attorney working for free on the basis of the win. However, if she was a victim of a sexual assault, it could also be self sabotage as she psychologically is finding it hard to deal with or wants to avoid reliving it.
So, I’d still tend to believe her unless we have evidence otherwise or a jury of her peers says otherwise.
Not that I’m aware of. In real life I know people who have been accused with no history also. It was proven true.
Not all accusations are true, but part of the lessons of #metoo was to believe the victims of sexual assault. Also, the abundance of literature on the subject. Sure, it could be a false accusation, so we shouldn’t condemn him without investigation or trial bittnhats why there should be one.
Miatrials in the case of sexual assault just leaves an open question for both the accuser and accused. In some instances, a civil case is taken when the criminal case falls apart. Often the problem is it’s just a he said, she said situation.
So, I believe her but also don’t hold him accountable, if that makes sense. Absolutely, he should be held to account. That’s my point. He hasn’t been and there are questions about her not proceeding, that we don’t know the answer to.
All of that is well trodden ground. But we are still left with the big problem of giving carte blanche to accusations, like we’ve been through with the Salem witch trials and McCarthyism-- when you give the power to destroy someone’s reputation with an accusation alone, and the accusation is left there doing damage and is never followed up on, what kind of justice can you really have? Because 999 sexual assault accusations can be true and there can still be that one where you just have a crazy evil person taking advantage of that carte blanche.
Remember the lady who said that Biden tried to rape her in the hallway of Congress? And then she went on to write blog essays about how sexy she found Vladimir Putin? You still have people saying that Biden should be held to account for that ridiculous bullshit, some simply because they’re terrified to be seen as refusing to believe women “no matter what” the circumstances.
And I’m not suggesting anything like a return to the days of putting victims on trial, but accusations need to be able to sustain at least more weight than tissue paper before we casually destroy lives just so we can say we believed women.
Doesn’t seem like his life is destroyed. It also seems like most people were unaware. I agree, in principle though. We should find that middle ground. The middle ground involves believing the victim and investigating.
The whole purpose of procedural fairness in trials os to protect the innocent against accusations. In sexual assault, it seems that the concept of procedural fairness is overriding it’s purpose of protecting the accused.
Is Diesel’s life destroyed? No, but the amount of the damage is not the point, is it? It is now a millstone around his neck and there are certain people who will absolutely not work with the guy because those accusations are out there. Is he doing fine even so? Sure. But that doesn’t mean that he should be stuck with that taint if these accusations are false.
Now I’m not saying they are for sure, but all too often these accusations are thrown out there and they are left as just that. And now we’re in a situation where our friend above who posted the Vin Diesel link, just throws it out there like “oh well there’s a problem with Vin Diesel”, when we really don’t know if there is or not. He’s been judged, and he has no opportunity or even means to prove his innocence-- I mean you can’t prove a negative anyway, and we’re all supposed to be innocent until proven guilty. But all too often these days in discussions like this somebody pops up and says “oh well so and so has a problem”, and we all convict the guy in our minds, and it doesn’t matter whether the accusation holds water at all.
In this case, it’s a shame it didn’t go to court. I don’t want to defend an actual predator, but generally there are lots of accusations, not one person.
That’s not to say that it didn’t happen. It absolutely could have and we should give any victim the benefit of the doubt. The court case not proceeding due to a technicality doesn’t seem like justice served for anyone nor for society.
It says something, or at least suggests something, that the charges were dropped because she didn’t continue to file the proper forms on time. And then not only the sexual assault accusations, but the accusations that his sister helped in creating a “hostile work environment”? Stinks to high heaven of revenge accusations.
Any competent attorney would have made sure that that paperwork was filed on time, and she should have no problem getting a competent attorney with such a financially lucrative target.
And then of course there are the long running rumors that Diesel is gay, and just hasn’t come out because that doesn’t play well for an action star…
I’d never thought about the attorney working for free on the basis of the win. However, if she was a victim of a sexual assault, it could also be self sabotage as she psychologically is finding it hard to deal with or wants to avoid reliving it.
So, I’d still tend to believe her unless we have evidence otherwise or a jury of her peers says otherwise.
Does Diesel have any track record of these kinds of accusations?
Not that I’m aware of. In real life I know people who have been accused with no history also. It was proven true.
Not all accusations are true, but part of the lessons of #metoo was to believe the victims of sexual assault. Also, the abundance of literature on the subject. Sure, it could be a false accusation, so we shouldn’t condemn him without investigation or trial bittnhats why there should be one.
Miatrials in the case of sexual assault just leaves an open question for both the accuser and accused. In some instances, a civil case is taken when the criminal case falls apart. Often the problem is it’s just a he said, she said situation.
So, I believe her but also don’t hold him accountable, if that makes sense. Absolutely, he should be held to account. That’s my point. He hasn’t been and there are questions about her not proceeding, that we don’t know the answer to.
All of that is well trodden ground. But we are still left with the big problem of giving carte blanche to accusations, like we’ve been through with the Salem witch trials and McCarthyism-- when you give the power to destroy someone’s reputation with an accusation alone, and the accusation is left there doing damage and is never followed up on, what kind of justice can you really have? Because 999 sexual assault accusations can be true and there can still be that one where you just have a crazy evil person taking advantage of that carte blanche.
Remember the lady who said that Biden tried to rape her in the hallway of Congress? And then she went on to write blog essays about how sexy she found Vladimir Putin? You still have people saying that Biden should be held to account for that ridiculous bullshit, some simply because they’re terrified to be seen as refusing to believe women “no matter what” the circumstances.
And I’m not suggesting anything like a return to the days of putting victims on trial, but accusations need to be able to sustain at least more weight than tissue paper before we casually destroy lives just so we can say we believed women.
Doesn’t seem like his life is destroyed. It also seems like most people were unaware. I agree, in principle though. We should find that middle ground. The middle ground involves believing the victim and investigating.
The whole purpose of procedural fairness in trials os to protect the innocent against accusations. In sexual assault, it seems that the concept of procedural fairness is overriding it’s purpose of protecting the accused.
Is Diesel’s life destroyed? No, but the amount of the damage is not the point, is it? It is now a millstone around his neck and there are certain people who will absolutely not work with the guy because those accusations are out there. Is he doing fine even so? Sure. But that doesn’t mean that he should be stuck with that taint if these accusations are false.
Now I’m not saying they are for sure, but all too often these accusations are thrown out there and they are left as just that. And now we’re in a situation where our friend above who posted the Vin Diesel link, just throws it out there like “oh well there’s a problem with Vin Diesel”, when we really don’t know if there is or not. He’s been judged, and he has no opportunity or even means to prove his innocence-- I mean you can’t prove a negative anyway, and we’re all supposed to be innocent until proven guilty. But all too often these days in discussions like this somebody pops up and says “oh well so and so has a problem”, and we all convict the guy in our minds, and it doesn’t matter whether the accusation holds water at all.