With proportional representation, the liberals would likely form minority governments for the foreseeable future. Small groups would be king makers. Except they wouldn’t - all they’d do was cause the government to fail and then a new election would again always give us a liberal minority.
You speak on that like the Liberals are the default. We all need to fucking stop with that crap, it’s pretty much the only reason they ever get elected at all. In 2021 the NDP well over half the votes the Liberals did and that’s with “strategic” voting. We can stop this at any point.
Most Canadians want fiscal conservatism with a safety net, and social progressiveness. The liberals sit in the center and when they get their messaging right, they tick this big box. So they do win by default. I would personally love more progressive fiscal policies, but only if I trust who’s doing it not to tank the economy, and that’s a bit rare.
And that’s exactly the problem. “Fiscal conservatism”, which really just means slashing taxes on the most rich and leaving the rest of us out to dry, is incredibly irresponsible and has never worked. If anyone trusts Carney to run our economy then they should trust someone who is at least trying to give us progressive financial policies far more. Even if they fail, they aren’t the one actively chasing the option that is guaranteed to fall apart and that means there’s a far greater chance for success.
Besides, we throw around the word “trust” and “confidence a lot with almost zero evidence that the person we don’t trust isn’t capable of doing what they promise. Yes, I trust a grizzly bear to maul me to death if I voluntarily dress up in raw meat, but that’s precisely why I do not do that!
Well there’s different types of fiscal conservatism. People look for keeping government costs down. Taxes for everyone lower. Balance the budget. Invest in needed infrastructure. Invest in needed education and research . Reasonable taxes for the rich - not the scare them off but get them to pay their share. So, like, old school fiscal conservatism.
Ok, but except for the fact that you think high taxes on the rich will scare them off everything else isn’t “fiscal conservatism” and you’ll get it by voting further left, not right. So far, Carney’s government has fired tens of thousands of employees during a highly dangerous time to be unemployed in, removed environmental protections to allow oil and gas companies to attack our land without review, cut funding all over the place, and still found $8.8bil to give to developers as development fee cuts that the consumer will never see the benefit of. There’s no responsibility there, he’s just giving away all our money to rich people and screwing everyone else in the process.
Everyone who thinks he’s doing even a remotely good job is a fool. This isn’t hidden stuff, it’s all headlining even the CBC but you can find it all over.
He’s stimulating the economy. I agree that lowering federal workforce isn’t good - unless it’s very specific cutting at inefficiencies, and it never seems to be. Giving developers a time limited incentive is to boost building and help with employment as well as the housing crisis. Oil development sucks, but it’s a huge contributor to the government’s budget - if that dries up, we will be forced to shut down more social programs. It’s all a balance. That’s what a centrist government does, and it’s never going to make everyone happy. But the alternative is to have diametrically opposed radical sides and we ping pong back and forth causing untold damage.
Seriously? One of the most basic, fundamental aspects of a strong economy is one where small amounts of money change hands often. Instead, Carney has given huge tax breaks to the rich and is participating in trickle-down economics which was a term invented to make idiots think that giving all their money to rich people would somehow help them out. “Stimulating the economy” get outta here.
The NDP is not extreme. They are not asking for all private property to disappear, they are not asking for a 99% wealth tax, they are not asking for completely open borders, etc., you just consider them that way because we have three parties and you are not looking at platforms objectively, only in relation to one another. The Carney Liberals are conservatives but because the big C Conservatives are further right you believe them to be boring little centrists. Your view of our political landscape lacks any kind of nuance and you should really work on that because we are fucked otherwise.
You want the center so bad yet we’ve been crawling to the right every election for decades and you don’t see the problem. The center you’re imagining has become objectively right-wing and you aren’t noticing. They aren’t hiding it, please just pay attention.
Oh the creep to the right is certainly a problem, I don’t disagree. I personally have voted ndp in both federal and provincial elections except when clear abc strategic voting came into play. I’m just explaining why the liberals as the closest to centrists are the default and what most Canadians want. Especially as our neighbours to the south go crazy, people want as stable as possible. The ndp does have some potentially destabilizing ideas; I personally trust them just as I trusted the bob Rae Ontario ndp and when they got power they were very responsibly (which pissed off lot of radical lefties and made them hate him, so we bounced back to the right, sigh).
With proportional representation, the liberals would likely form minority governments for the foreseeable future. Small groups would be king makers. Except they wouldn’t - all they’d do was cause the government to fail and then a new election would again always give us a liberal minority.
You speak on that like the Liberals are the default. We all need to fucking stop with that crap, it’s pretty much the only reason they ever get elected at all. In 2021 the NDP well over half the votes the Liberals did and that’s with “strategic” voting. We can stop this at any point.
Most Canadians want fiscal conservatism with a safety net, and social progressiveness. The liberals sit in the center and when they get their messaging right, they tick this big box. So they do win by default. I would personally love more progressive fiscal policies, but only if I trust who’s doing it not to tank the economy, and that’s a bit rare.
And that’s exactly the problem. “Fiscal conservatism”, which really just means slashing taxes on the most rich and leaving the rest of us out to dry, is incredibly irresponsible and has never worked. If anyone trusts Carney to run our economy then they should trust someone who is at least trying to give us progressive financial policies far more. Even if they fail, they aren’t the one actively chasing the option that is guaranteed to fall apart and that means there’s a far greater chance for success.
Besides, we throw around the word “trust” and “confidence a lot with almost zero evidence that the person we don’t trust isn’t capable of doing what they promise. Yes, I trust a grizzly bear to maul me to death if I voluntarily dress up in raw meat, but that’s precisely why I do not do that!
Well there’s different types of fiscal conservatism. People look for keeping government costs down. Taxes for everyone lower. Balance the budget. Invest in needed infrastructure. Invest in needed education and research . Reasonable taxes for the rich - not the scare them off but get them to pay their share. So, like, old school fiscal conservatism.
Ok, but except for the fact that you think high taxes on the rich will scare them off everything else isn’t “fiscal conservatism” and you’ll get it by voting further left, not right. So far, Carney’s government has fired tens of thousands of employees during a highly dangerous time to be unemployed in, removed environmental protections to allow oil and gas companies to attack our land without review, cut funding all over the place, and still found $8.8bil to give to developers as development fee cuts that the consumer will never see the benefit of. There’s no responsibility there, he’s just giving away all our money to rich people and screwing everyone else in the process.
Everyone who thinks he’s doing even a remotely good job is a fool. This isn’t hidden stuff, it’s all headlining even the CBC but you can find it all over.
He’s stimulating the economy. I agree that lowering federal workforce isn’t good - unless it’s very specific cutting at inefficiencies, and it never seems to be. Giving developers a time limited incentive is to boost building and help with employment as well as the housing crisis. Oil development sucks, but it’s a huge contributor to the government’s budget - if that dries up, we will be forced to shut down more social programs. It’s all a balance. That’s what a centrist government does, and it’s never going to make everyone happy. But the alternative is to have diametrically opposed radical sides and we ping pong back and forth causing untold damage.
Seriously? One of the most basic, fundamental aspects of a strong economy is one where small amounts of money change hands often. Instead, Carney has given huge tax breaks to the rich and is participating in trickle-down economics which was a term invented to make idiots think that giving all their money to rich people would somehow help them out. “Stimulating the economy” get outta here.
The NDP is not extreme. They are not asking for all private property to disappear, they are not asking for a 99% wealth tax, they are not asking for completely open borders, etc., you just consider them that way because we have three parties and you are not looking at platforms objectively, only in relation to one another. The Carney Liberals are conservatives but because the big C Conservatives are further right you believe them to be boring little centrists. Your view of our political landscape lacks any kind of nuance and you should really work on that because we are fucked otherwise.
You want the center so bad yet we’ve been crawling to the right every election for decades and you don’t see the problem. The center you’re imagining has become objectively right-wing and you aren’t noticing. They aren’t hiding it, please just pay attention.
Oh the creep to the right is certainly a problem, I don’t disagree. I personally have voted ndp in both federal and provincial elections except when clear abc strategic voting came into play. I’m just explaining why the liberals as the closest to centrists are the default and what most Canadians want. Especially as our neighbours to the south go crazy, people want as stable as possible. The ndp does have some potentially destabilizing ideas; I personally trust them just as I trusted the bob Rae Ontario ndp and when they got power they were very responsibly (which pissed off lot of radical lefties and made them hate him, so we bounced back to the right, sigh).