This is something that The Satanic Temple needs to get on board with.
Now I’m imagining a split in the satanic church, that is an AI satanic church and a non-AI satanic church. AI Satan sounds pretty hellish if you ask me…
This sounds like the plot of a Futurama episode.
"You can’t just have your characters announce how they feel! That makes me feel ANGRY!"
I want a Lucy Liu bot.
Maybe now I can get to know the real Lucy Liu
FWIW, The Satanic Temple is different from The Church of Satan and/or the Satanic Church. To start with, we don’t believe in Satan.
AI Satan does sound horrendously hellish, though. “You’re correct, and you are absolutely right to call me out on it! I can see now how submerging you in searing hot lye would be unpleasant, especially after you begged me to stop! Here, let me try again, this time paying extra attention to not submerging you in searing hot lye.” <Proceeds to submerge you in searing hot lye>
To start with, we don’t believe in Satan.
Neither does the Church of Satan, to be fair.
I remember one is more of a political / atheist group and the other is more so what it says on the tin but I always mix them up. Thanks for the clarification. I’m sure that’s a constant happening.
Oh goodness, what’s that reference? Futurama?
Not quite. They’re both Satanic churches. TST is more activist and fights for the rights of Satanists in court.
There’s a good breakdown of the differences here.
There is already essentially an AI-Satan cult. They’re called the Rationalists. Unlike your average Satanist, however, they are very irrational, nearly theistic, and exert a lot of control over Silicon Valley.
And then there’s their offshoot, the Zizians, which are even crazier. The episodes of Behind the Bastards covering them were wild
Thanks for the link, now this shit would make a good movie. I miss when SF was high on hippie vibes and psychedelics, not glue fumes and adderall.
I wouldn’t consider death cults necessarily satanic although it depends on one’s portrayal of Satan. I have more of a Zoroastrian or maybe David Icke space reptilian view of the Satan character aka the goal is to increase needless and avoidable suffering for all minds anywhere in existence as it’s like a fuel source or food. Then in contrast God or goodness is all things which decrease needless and avoidable suffering and bring minds into states of wellbeing. I think the desire to just end everything like the antenatalists and other such death or doom cults is more Shiva like or maybe Surtr.
I do tend to fall back on basic Buddhist / Taoist philosophy though in that anything done in desire necessitates its opposite. Yin begets Yang type deal. Like the Shiva or Surtr type character wants to destroy but just ends up creating a new beginning, yin becomes yang.
The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one’s own.
tl;dr:
Maus is a Unitarian Universalist, a pluralistic religion that’s rooted in the inherent worth of every person. In April, she argued that AI didn’t align with her religious beliefs, citing environmental and ethical concerns.
Just so you know which religion to convert to.
I mean, hypothetically couldn’t you just pick any belief structure outside of the top ten and make shit up? I’m a card carrying member of The Satanic Temple (which also puts an emphasis on human worth and social conscience) and I feel like I could swing this.
Wow, you actually got your card?
They made no promises, but I sent my $20, never saw my card and that’s fine.
I think you can literally purchase a membership card on their site if you want.
I’m sure.
The goat ate it
I’ve known some cool unitarians. The org can collect a lot of upper middle class white people, but it’s also the first place I really learned about LGBT rights in the 90s (I’m getting old) and other social justice stuff.
On a tour of our state’s gay friendly churches (a work project) I met a unitarian universalist minister who was openly atheist, his congregation had no problem with it. That was a very weird but cool convo.
My UU ordained friend is a nonbinary activist who was in Minneapolis during the ICE shit.
The first time I went to a UU service, I was invited to a rationalist group that meets there.
It’s all of the good things about religion (ie - community. People who will meal train for you when you are in trouble, people who will teach your kids good shit) without much of the baggage.
I’m personally going to start attending either a UU or a really loosely Methodist group just for the social aspect. I think one of the failures of atheism is the lack of acknowledgment of the benefits of community and ritual. There’s not enough “third places” in the world, and churches can fill that roll quite well. Perhaps this is just my own recent near death experience speaking, but it’s good to have a community that cares about you.
Amish or Rastafarian should pass as well.
Amish
That was my first thought before even reading! OTOH they would probably oppose working with computers at all?
Cathar too.
Maybe even jain. But i know too little about ita actual doctrins to say anything specific about it
How about Pastafarian though?
I’ve learnt about the UU not that long ago and I’m getting into with much fondness. To me it’s one of the only paths if you’re a Christian-based perennialist who believes in the existence of God and follows the teachings of the prophet Jesus but rejects the bible. Basically it’s only Unitarians or non-denominational Chrisians.
Guys I think I just found religion.
Join the Satanic Temple or some Humanist org or something. For some reason people lose their minds if your religion is just “none”, but are at least more ok with it being something, even if the something had only one tenet and that was “none”.
It’s because they can understand a difference of philosophy or beliefs but cannot comprehend a total rejection of the concept of belief. It’s too alien to a central aspect of their identity and challenges their perceived connection to existence.
Source: I’ve been making people uncomfortable by being openly hostile to religion for a long time.
Yep.
So, would you like to not talk about my not religion with me?
I’m an atheist who joined a UU church (the religion being discussed in the article) this past January and I’ve loved it, I’m actually not at all surprised this sort of thing is coming out of UU
Are you guys trying to get religion banned?
You say that like it’s a bad thing
It might help.
At this point, I feel like religion >> blind corporate loyalty. At least religion still pretends to care about people
“I’m a Butlerian.”
But did you type that on your thinking machine?
I’m pretty sure that in Dune, all computers are banned, not just AI. You can’t even have a ship with a navigation computer.
I wonder if society will fracture into two groups, kinda like the Amish and the rest of us. There will now be people content with this level of technology and those who go on forward for better and worse. I can totally see it, entire towns where AI is banned.
I Imagine there will be yet another separation if there’s a choice to upload your consciousness a bit like the show pantheon.
How about an atheist exemption?
You can be an atheist and a member of a universalist Unitarian church, I am exactly that
or just let people opt out entirely flat out?
Would be nice if philosophical stances were treated equal to religious ones, so if something is against your philosophical stances you could get the same exemption a religious person could.
I despise AI, however, religious exceptions for work are stupid.
Go to work for your church/mosque/temple if it’s that important for you.
If you’re a Christian, live like a bird in the field, like Jesus says. Go pick through the garbage can and be content in your righteousness. You’re reward isn’t earthly, but in Heaven, right?
Also it usually it’s just ok for their approved religions, anything else you are being stubborn
I’m not religious but I feel like people should have a right to take their annual leave for their religious holidays, yeah?
People should be able to take annual leave for whatever they want, provided contractual agreements and sufficient advance notice. I don’t understand how any of it needs to do with religion.
Ok well say your company has ten people. One of them is a purpleite and every year the religion celebrates the merging of red and blue, every year - and it coincides with the superbowl. Seven of the ten people want to take that as a long weekend to watch the game. The company can handle this… but oh no! wait, two of the remaining employees are related and share a mother who has people coming after her for personal reasons. She wants to send her kids to somewhere safe so she sends them to west philly. It turns out that’s where the merging happens so the three of them can drive over together. Meanwhile two people have to cancel their superbowl plans to accommodate the purplite. The two related employees get to live safely with their mother’s sister and her husbandi think that this is fine, it sucks for the superbowl crew but that’s not as important as someone’s religion or someone’s family situation. I think if you read this and look in the mirror you will see it all with a fresh understanding.
How about a mental health exemption? AI is shown to be hazardous to mental health.
Time for the Universal Life Church to step in.
As an ordained minister (and fully-paid Saint), would highly approve.
That’s one way to make the Catholic church popular again.
That’s it, I’m converting to Mechanicus. Abominable Intelligence is techno-heresy, Ave Omnissiah!
I’m somewhat of a transhumanist and even I think generative AI is an abomination. I want the real thing. Artificial sapient life.
we can barely get sapient life mastered.
Even in death, I serve the Omnissiah.
Maybe I am religious…
“You can now get an exemption” is a huge overstatement.
Someone in North Carolina asked for it and happened to get it from her employer. That does not provide any firm basis for anyone else to follow. Any of us could have tried this last month with the same odds we have now.
I’m considering joining the catholic church specifically to make it easier to get an exemption !
