only frame that matters i spose
Its a small mistake but still: its 30.000 feet per minute, not second
30.000 feet per second is about 10km/sec which is closer to speeds of meteors crashing into the earth. At those speeds, that plane crash would have had enough energy to likely wiped out the entirety of Miami.
at that speed, the plane would have been completely vaporized just from the atmospheric friction alone.
Na; that jet only masses 10T.
That is barely low yield nuke. 10 city blocks wiped out and a decent fireball; that ignites a further 100 or so. Not even a city killer. Shockwave shatters windows for quite a radius though.
How dare you! Small mistakes and the OCD battles they spawn are responsible for 46% of off-season popcorn sales!
Pilot made a small mistake too
30,000 feet per second = Mach 27
I don’t think that’s correct…
No, we just passed October 27
Honestly, i felt the audio wasn’t as bad as so many people are claiming it to be. Like yes its bad, but after seeing watching so much of palestine footage, its… not that bad. They suffered for like 30 seconds, and then peace.
If you listen to hind rajab’s audio, that thing is super devastating. Like imagine being 5 with your parents dead in the car with you, trying to explain to paramedics, imagine what those paramedics must have felt in that moment. All the agony, all the struggle. Like what thoughts did hind have while waiting for paramedics to arrive?
I think the reason this flight audio feels so scary to western audience is because, so many people have flown, and “it could be any of us”, whereas hind rajab and other palestinians live in a “war torn” country. Like it happens all the time over there anyways.
Why so divisive?
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Nice whataboutism.
It’s called a comparison.
A whataboutism is a comparison, yeah. It’s just jarring to me for someone to say “oh you think this recent recording of someone who’s about to die in a non-political situation is bad? What about the recording from months ago in Palestine?!?”
Most whataboutisms are done unintentionally, but they’re worth calling out.
No. A whataboutism is also rhetorical fallacy, that is just a comparison. They’re not arguing that plane crashes don’t matter because Palestine, they are specifically comparing levels of horror and stating that one is less.
Comparing levels of horror, yes, but to be a whataboutism you have to ask the question “why are they comparing it”. They want to bring attention somewhere else. Either away from the fact that they don’t have feelings about it even though other people do, or to bring attention towards something else that they’re passionate about. The latter is what prompts me to label it as whataboutism. Their profile is a mix of tech and politics so there’s precedent for their comment.
Why else would they bother commenting here if not to draw attention to something political? It’s like going to a funeral and saying “I don’t know, sure it’s sad but since I’m aware of the genocide going on, it’s not that sad”.
Part of a whataboutism is discrediting the initial claim. The comment in question explicitly reinforces the initial claim before adding a subjective opinion on which feels more severe.
Its not a whataboutism to say: “Both are bad but x feels worse to me”. That’s simply subjective opinion.
I think you’re a bit too trigger-happy with the label.
Maybe we’re reading different things. I’ll paste their comment below, removing all of the “what about”. All that’s left is discrediting people who feel bad listening to the audio.
Honestly, i felt the audio wasn’t as bad as so many people are claiming it to be. Like yes its bad, but… not that bad. They suffered for like 30 seconds, and then peace.
Then they go on with the “what about the genocide stuff”
They’re communicating that they’ve been desensitized to a high degree because of the brutality of the genocide, that this feels pale in comparison.
I agree. I heard the audio on the news site, it had a warning which is fine, but wasn’t that bad. An adult knew she’s going to die and communicated it in a rather calm manner, it was quick, you didn’t hear anything but her voice, and wouldn’t know what happened or when relative to what she said.
I googled Learjet just to get more details on the plane, and the first thing I hit was a reddit post which had a supposed pilot explaining their experience, but the mod was in there banning people for posting the audio, with a pinned comment explaining that, and describing it as extreme gore and nsfl. It’s not that bad.
Did the video of the plane crashing horrify you?
A few years ago, it would have been horrifying. After watching children’s brains spilling out of their heads for over a year, it’s just an accident like any other, it triggers nothing emotionally.
What about absolutism?
It was 20,000 feet per minute
Where on earth did you get those numbers?
If it was travelling at a velocity of 30,000 feet per second it would have been vaporized by atmospheric heating. That’s substantially faster than asteroids collide at. That works out app 20,454 mph which is considerably faster than a Apollo rocket.
Per minute not per second.
Perchance
Boy oh boy did I ever make the mistake of reading Facebook comments about this tragedy. People are actually out there theorizing it was a missile.
I know this may come off as morbid curiosity but what happens to the bodies in such a scenario? Are they vaporized with no possibility of retrieving them? Are there remains ? And if so, do they simply incinerate the rest before the funerals ?
RIP to all the passengers and pilots, really a heartbreaking tragedy i wish i didnt see today.
Pretty much pulverized through sheer kinetic force. Throw in the fireball afterwards and there likely aren’t any remains to be retrieved. If there are, the pieces are extremely small.
If it is any mercy at all, the process was so fast that their minds never had a chance to process the pain of the impact. Just an extreme closeup of the ground and then… nothing.
1100 fps is about Mach 1 at sea level. There was no sonic boom.
Are the wings gone?
They are now.
c/imgoingtohellforthis
No,
Darmok at Miami, his wings gone.
YEET
One of the wings definitely looks gone
Both wings were still attached, it’s just very poorly visible here. There are slightly sharper stills out there that more clearly show both are present at this point.
I heard a theory that the horizontal stabilisers on the tail may not be there through.
Oi, you can’t park that there mate
and everyone was wondering how the jet on 9/11 disappeared into the ground
Like those morons who thought the Pentagon didn’t get hit because there wasn’t an airplane shaped hole in building like some kind of looney-tunes gag?
Explain to me how that plane was traveling at Mach 39.1 ?
travelling on an asteroid probably.
It wasn’t. IIRC, it was descending at 30,000 feet per minute at its peak and was maybe coming close to Mach 1 at impact.
I also understand there’s some deeply NSFL audio floating around, but I haven’t listened and don’t intend to.
Very sad audio, but nowhere near something like the Brick Video.
Many years later that brick video still randomly pops into my head and chokes me up
I hate that I know exactly which one you’re referring to. That and the call from the WTC stairwell are burned into my brain.
The audio is a bit rough, especially if you haven’t heard any emergency calls or ATC traffic before but not really any more distressing than watching a loaded plane slam into the ground. Which doesn’t even have a NSFW tag
I heard a professional in an impossible situation doing everything in their power to keep it together.
It’s heartbreaking and powerful.
I listened to the audio. Always heartbreaking to hear people’s distressing last words as they realize they are about to die.
For me it was the helplessness she was in. There was nothing anyone could have done at the time. The ATC operator was trying to see what could be given to them but they where out of options.
Jeff was full on doing the lords prayer in the background, can’t imagine a good 30 seconds of knowing you are dead
at least there was no pain, just helplessness
reminds me of Benny from that scene in the Mummy without any of the humor
Yeah. Utterly gut-wrenching. My heart sinks every time I hear these cockpit crash recordings.
Wherever I think about it, I’m haunted by these alarms, going: “PULL UP. PULL UP.”
Always hoped my last words were something along the lines of “get fuckd carnt”
Hers was something “we’ve run out of time”. Poetic
People are saying the equipment only registers a maximum of 32,000 feet per minute, but the aircraft was probably traveling closer to 60,000 feet per minute on impact, at basically terminal velocity for that aircraft.
I don’t know anything though, just parroting comments from YouTube.
fixed, thanks!
