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Have fun in the water wars, kids!
I can’t remember where I first read it but I’ve agreed with it ever since: “My retirement plan is dying in the potable water riots.”
The only time water will be a problem is when someone’s using weapons to force others away from sources of it. In terms of desalinating water and delivering it to thirsty people, that’s something the market is perfectly capable of attaining. It’s always profitable to meet unmet basic needs so any water holes will be filled automatically. And that’s in the worst case scenario, where people are just buying trucked in water. In most places there will be actual plumbing serving people.
Great. Thanks. Now I can’t get the image of Kevin Costner pissing into a funnel out of my head.
Me either :-)
Where’s the water going to go? It’s in the water cycle, if anything is going to rain a lot more and a lot more violently, and in areas it shouldn’t be raining.
If it’s contaminated we should be fine collecting and stiling rain water.
“Water is a rare and precious resource” when not talking about habitats, is a silly hyper capitalist argument meant to stoke fear and panic purchases.
It is in the water cycle true, but where it is in that cycle and where it ends up are both critical to our long term industrial agricultural water use.
We need far far more water than collecting it from the rain would provide.
The coming water wars will be fought over the rights to the dwindling supplies…
Those Saudi Royal horses need to eat
A lot of water used in agriculture is actually from underground water sources that refill very slowly. Once we run out of those, many of the things we do can’t work anymore.
About 10 years ago it didn’t rain in Central California for 2 straight years. Imagine that, but with the ground water gone, and places water is traditionally piped from saying “no more”. Millions of people would die.
When all the rain falls in the ocean, it’s effectively gone.
Just a heads up, but most states have laws that guard against rain water capture. For example Colorado only allows 2 barrels or 110 gallons per year!
https://extension.colostate.edu/topic-areas/natural-resources/rainwater-collection-colorado-6-707/
Avg US citizen uses 100 gallons/day
Lmfao you really think the people with money won’t take control of natural resources?
That’s a pretty bad assumption considering they already have. Companies across the planet have already taken over most natural resources and will defend them with militaristic ways.
Water is already privatized in a lot of areas.
The water goes into the ocean and then we cant drink it anymore, is that not obvious??
Wait, why can’t we drink it anymore? Do you really think there’s no way to purify and remove things like salt from water? Please tell me I missed the satire.
It’s not that we can’t remove the salt, it’s that electrolysis to remove salt from the water is very expensive from an energy perspective, which makes it expensive from an economic perspective too. A massive spike in the price of water would cause a widespread crisis impacting every corner of the economy.
Also, building out the infrastructure required to do electrolysis on that scale would take a lot of time and resources on its own.
The word you are looking for is electrodialysis. And that’s not the only method. Reverse osmosis, distillation and nanofiltration are other options. Also, you mention having to build out infrastructure. You must not be aware of the 16,000 desalination plants around the world already.
This shit is exactly why despite having hated growing up in the frozen tundra… I’m now staying. Its not worth giving up at this point in society.
Been a…something… guys. Best of luck to you in the climate wars.
May the odds be ever in your favor.
You do realize that we won’t be free of the effects, right? Where do you think all the climate refugees are going to go?
Obviously… that’s why the first sentence I wrote was that I was staying up north….
We’re coming to you. We’ll settle in arcologies at the poles, where it’s still cool. Let the machines run all the industry in the sun-baked deserts of middle earth
Arcologies, sigh, thats the dream ain’t it. At best were wgtting Stargate slave society, at worst Metropolis. Neither is something I much want.
Climate controlled rolling arcologies. Maybe we’ll get some kind of fusion laser that can freeze the water in front of the city as it rolls across the ice.
But what if I like my freezing weather at home?
You’re welcome to it. You can have my freezing weather also! If it falls below 80 degrees in my apartment, I put a sweater on!! :/ I’m serious.
For other people: 80°F is about 21°C
I work with a lot of expats who feel the same, but I still like that I can clothe myself against the low temperatures, but not for the hot temperatures.
I think I could live in sub-Saharan Africa and be OK. I love hot weather, and dry hot weather especially. Yes I am weird. Never been a fan of being cool or cold. I don’t even run my air conditioning in the summer (most days - there are some day that are too brutally hot even for me).
They will grow up but it will be a much different world. Back in the 70s, Rachel Carson posited that it was probably already too late to turn back the effects of air pollution and poisoning of our oceans, and she was right. Instead of fixing problems, oil and gas companies are doubling down on fossil fuel extraction. Kids will grow up to have all kinds of respiratory illnesses and also facing a world that is melting around them.
Most years we’re in below 20 degree snowy weather. Today it’s 50 degrees here, it’s Dec 18th and we’ve only seen snow in our mountains, which is very rare for us in Utah. Not that I’m complaining about the heat -I love warmer weather, and I absolutely detest the sight of snow in any way, shape or form. But it is weird that we’re not even going to have snow on the ground this Christmas (we might get some rain this week).
Back in the 70s, Rachel Carson posited that it was probably already too late to turn back the effects of air pollution and poisoning of our oceans, and she was right.
That’s amazing. She died in 1964 and still kept working.
Well what I’m referring to is her book “Silent Spring,” which gained national attention in the 70s. Not saying she wrote it during the 70s.
Back in the 70s, Rachel Carson posited that it was probably already too late to turn back the effects of air pollution and poisoning of our oceans,
I feel ya, but try not to give in to that feeling, as it’s also the last step in the oil companie’s PR playbook; when it’s finally coming knowledge, to say "well, yes it was our fault but it’s too late to do anything about it "
Well it’s not a very positive outlook, but I’ve heard it from scientists more than from big oil and gas (that it’s too late to turn back these effects). I"m not saying we can’t try to mitigate these things going forward, maybe we can make huge changes by taking small steps toward cleaner energy sources.
I’m up in Mammoth right now and it is raining, absolutely wild for this time of year. I didn’t even bother snowboarding this trip because the slopes are more conducive to ice-skating. Caught of on a lot of sleep though, so that was nice.
Mammoth, that’s gotta pretty nice right now (if you don’t mind no snow). Not as cold as it usually is for this time of year. I want to go there soon, hopefully this coming summer, because it’s usually nicer up there.
Yeah i’ll say it’s been pretty nice weather despite the crap conditions. As of now it’s trying to turn from rain to snow, of course as we’re about to head home lol
I mean… This isn’t that rare in Utah? Last year was wild, but besides that, this is pretty par for course the last 5 years, and not out of the normal for the last 5 before that. Especially not having snow sticking in the Valley…
Don’t get me wrong, I’m probably going to bail on Utah soon because how fucked this are getting with the climate/droughts/air quality… But this year isn’t some wild leap
It was sixty degrees yesterday, in Saskatchewan
So everyone’s dead??
You know I’m polite enough to talk to people in their system when I can, if I understand it, and this one is pretty fucking simple.
Temperature translation for non-Americans:
70°F ≈ 21.1°C
50°F = 10°C
20°F ≈ -6.7°CHere’s an easy way for disadvantaged yanks to learn Celsius:
40C = 104F perfect hot tub temp
30C = 86F hot day
20C = 68F nice cool day
10C = 50F chilly day
0C = 32F freezingCommit these to memory, then it’s exactly 9F for every 5C in between. (or about 2:1)
[da fak with the downvotes? Just refuse to learn?]
Conversion for the Midwest
70f= nice out 50f= nice out 20f= bring a hoodie. It’s nice out.
It’s currently 50F° in my living room. It’s been like this since start of December. Heating is for weaklings.
My dogs start to shiver inside at like 55, but will spend all day outside at 30 and love every minute of it. Fuckin weirdos. So we compromise, they get the heat, the fluffy pillows, and wrapped in blankets, and I get to live with them.
Interesting, what types of dogs you have?
Mold spores be like
Not really! Yet
That’s ~21 degrees in non-freedom units from someone who has to do this conversion a lot.
Also, that’s pretty normal summer temperature if you are from the Southern hemisphere.
If we are being really pedantic, the freezing and boiling part of first paragraph is only true under sea level atmospheric pressure, so technically, you can’t really relate these quantities with the given information in the first paragraph either.
But I don’t think that’s the point this exerpt is trying to make.
Unless stated otherwise, you always just assume 1atm of pressure.
Yeah but if you’re boiling your pasta and you live a few thousand feet above sea level you’re gonna want to give it a bit more time since water boils colder up here.
~Who the hell times how long their pasta takes to boil? You just go until it starts making noises.~
Edit: woopsie…that’s not what they said. Colder - so it takes longer for the pasta to cook. My bad.
You should re-read what they wrote because that’s not what they said.
Oh yeah…thanks for pointing that out. I’ve been fighting some nasty cold/flu/covid thing and clearly not reading straight haha.
I like beeing pedantic. Please proceeed.
A calorie is not a metric unit but the joule is, 1 calorie is approximately 4.2 joule. A gram of hydrogen does not exactly have 1 mole of particles. The historical definition for the mole was the count of atoms in 12 grams of the ¹²C carbon isotope, which is slightly different.
The historical definition for a mole is a little underground mammal. Then you science geeks decided to just screw it all up because you couldn’t be bothered to make your own word. A molar’s a mole tooth, dangert!
A pressure which, funnilly enough, is not in fact 1 bar (as one would expect) in the metric system but rather 1.013 bar.
Now that’s a big middle finger.
One oz of water heated 1 degree F is 1 BTU. Boom just as easy
But this is clearly written from the perspective of someone who lives in a climate that used to be solidly below freezing all through the winter months in the northern hemisphere. Now snow seems like a distant memory from childhood.
21°C/70°F is a normal winter temperature where I’m from in the southern hemisphere 🥲
And right now it’s summer… let’s put it this way, lately it’s been over 40°C/104°F for so many weeks in a row that, when temperatures dipped to 33°C/91°F, it felt cold… and to think it’s only going to get worse going forward @_@
I’m in Utah and we get up to around 106 to 107 on some days in mid-Summer. But we also go down as slow as 0 degrees sometimes in winter. I would rather live in a state where temps are in the warmer register most days of the year.
My kids won’t have this problem. Given the circumstances that have been obvious for 40-50 years I made the best and most responsible parenting decision possible. I didn’t have any.
Your kids warm and safe and comfortable in your balls bro, Im getting real jealous rn fr fe
But now your responsible, climate-concerned genes have been removed from the gene-pool.
Friends/acquaintances with young children always want to know why my wife and I chose not to have kids. I get very dirty looks when my first answer is “there are already too damn many people in the world as it is”
The economists are the worst. “Don’t you know, we need children to fund your retirement! Economies need a growing population!”
Yeah, fuck off. That’s not sustainable and you know it. We’re going to need to figure out how to make shrinking populations work.
Ponzie zombies
People living near the equator are still having kinds, and those families will need to move somewhere when things get too bad there. They will come and replace the family you didn’t have when it comes time for the great food wars.
Yes, thus the choosing not to have kids.
70 degrees in Dezember around here would kill most people, since it’s only 30 degrees below the boiling point of water.
Ah, being intentionally obtuse.
There are actually more layers there than just the obvious one…
I think you mispelled December as a reference to something but I dont know what
Came out half in Portuguese, half in English.
Well spotted.
We have had almost no snow in BC this year. Northern BC is in severe drought. There isn’t even enough water to fill the recently completed highly controversial site C dam.
Basically that means we are going to have the worst fire season we’ve ever seen, sorry america but the smoke alone will ruin your summer too
Even fucking Haida Gwaii is seeing some mild level of drought right now. This shit ain’t right
You should look at the winter that recently ended in the southern hemisphere - record ice shelf losses during winter, record high temps in Rio and other cities. In winter.
And it’s just getting more and more brutal.
didnt it hit 90 or a 100 or something in Rio, during winter?
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2023/11/17/2206375/-Heat-Index-in-Rio-de-Janeiro-hits-137-3-degrees-Fahrenheit?pm_campaign=front_page&pm_source=trending&pm_medium=web (this is during the ‘spring’ - our fall - and includes the heat index).
For their winter - on Aug 27, Rio witnessed its highest temperature of the winter, reaching 39.2°C
https://en.mercopress.com/2023/08/27/hot-weather-hits-rio-de-janeiro-this-winter
for winter, these temps are just bonkers.
sorry america but the smoke alone will ruin your summer too
Gosh dang it! In 2020 the fires turned our skies dark red, and there was ash falling from the sky. I don’t want to relive that. I couldn’t go outside for longer than about 2 minutes without getting a headache.
Drove through New York in June this year.
I think you drove through a dystopian movie set in NYC.
What’s the difference between reality and fiction?
Lack of flying cars and replicants.
Enjoyability
Great pic
I can’t take credit. Stole this from a news article, but that’s exactly my view when I was driving through there that day.
I live near the arctic circle… it’s usually -40° right now… it’s actually +5°C today.
T-shirt weather in late December… wtf humanity
Yeah I never expected a nice day in December to bring such existential dread.
I’m not as far north as you, but we’re also having a super mild stint. Normally have a couple feet of snow right now but it’s rained for 3 days. Last December we had the same thing. Year before that we had about 2-3 feet of snow and highs of -10°C.
It’s gotten to the point where I can’t even rely on weather reporting to give me current weather. One day a couple weeks ago it’s -20 but the Weather Network said it was 0… That was rude. I’m thinking of setting up my own weather station.
I live close to the Arctic Circle as well and it’s +2 currently. Two weeks ago it snowed like a meter in 2 days. I’ve seen enough snow for this winter.
My neighbour was mowing his lawn last week (he’s retired). Usually we’d be shovelling by now.
I find it funny that you decided to include in your comment that he’s retired, it doesn’t add anything.
A little colour to help paint the picture.
But it explains, doesn’t it? Retired guys: always doing yard work, and fussing with their properties. I swear I just see them walking around with various tools all the time.
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Kenny Lì, @theyylovekj
Lil kids talking about “when I grow up”. Man it’s 70 in December you ain’t growing up lmao
It was good while it lasted.
It was okay at best lol.
Was it?
We were over due.
That’s pretty normal for the southern US. I’ve had several Christmases that were 85 degrees even.
Old person, pointless, war-story time!
Where I live, fall and winter weather is like this and always has been my entire life. Daytime highs in the 70F (21C) range in fall and winter is definitely above average, but far from abnormal and that’s not even particularly extreme for this time of year. It’s a part of the northern hemisphere where it’s not even rare to have over night lows of 18F (-8C), and within a day or two it’ll be 72F (22C). We even joke about it “Ha ha ha. Don’t like the weather? Just wait a day. Ha ha ha.”
So, full disclosure: Climate change is real. If we don’t get our shit together, the (human) world is probably going to end (in disaster). But, being honest, if it’s 70F for a few days in November, December, January, February, or March it’s not exactly a sign that the end is near.
Anyway, on a site that shall not be named, there was a post that showed up on the front page that was from a city I used to live in, and which was geographically close to where I spent most of my childhood. It was an image gallery of a bunch of random plants in flower, during a week of slightly warmer than average weather in December or January, and it was lamenting something along the lines of “People keep saying these flowers are pretty but all I see is a harbinger of the apocalypse.” Highly upvoted and lots of affirmative comments.
Don’t get me wrong. Climate change is coming, climate change is here. It’s a catastrophe and it’s not a thing I deny exists.
But, the flowers in their photos were things that are cool season bloomers which start blooming in October/November in my area and basically are in bloom as long as conditions aren’t extremely cold or extremely hot. Most of them were invasive species (like Dandelions and various nettles that bloom year round as long as it’s not too hot or too cold). There was only one thing in their post that would have been a bit “holy shit”, but it was something that was completely unbelievable, likely misidentified, and they refused to provide further evidence on.
I called it out. Politely, but with conviction. And, let’s just say, it was not well received.
I think the xkcd referenced above is relevant to your post.
Above my post? I don’t get it. My post is a top-level comment to the main submission. The post above mine is dependent on your client and your sorting selection / preferences, so it’ll be different depending on who views this and when.
This is the xkcd they were referring to.
Seems like maybe they assumed that everyone uses the same comment sorting settings that they do.
Yeah, if winters are warmer now than people remember, it’s not global warming making a noticeable change.
For perspective, the average global temperature has risen 0.08°C (0.14°F) per decade since 1880. It has increased to (0.18°C / 0.32°F) since 1981, but you still aren’t going to feel that.
Depends on the area one is from. Where I grew up, temperatures were definitely consistently colder in the winter when I was a kid, and we received much more snow. Climate change is not just about the average changing, but the standard deviation as well (over both time and location). Regardless, for many people in the U.S., their USDA plant hardiness zone has changed due to consistently warmer winter weather.
The last character in his name is japanese. His full name is thus “Kenny Li Hi”
shit you got me. Laughed out loud… audibly
“That unapparent summer air in early fall”
- “That funny feeling” by Bo Burnham
“The slowly comprehending of the ending of it all.”
Hate when it rains during winter time
I don’t. It means I don’t have to shovel or drive on snow.
That’s why I prefer rain. I can look outside and say, “oh look at the rain I have to shovel off my sidewalk.” (Sarcastically of course…)
Me I’d rather have rain than snow any day. My dream is to move somewhere where, when people see the snow scraper on my dashboard, they’ll point and say “What’s that??”
Sure, but when you live in Canada its a bit concerning to have ~ 60°F this time of year
It’s a bit weird having 50 degree weather here in Salt Lake this time of year. Last year at this time, we had 20 degree temps and snow all over the place. This year we’re having to make snow for the skiers up in the mountains. It’s fine with me, because I’d be happy if it was 80 degrees year round - but of course everything would dry up including our economy.
ok but what actually is a snow scraper?? never heard of it
If that’s true - then I want to live where you are. A snow scraper is a little flimsy hand-held plastic shovel kind of thing that is supposed to be used to remove ice and snow from your windshield and other car windows. They’re usually pretty flimsy and break easily.
Not very effective, but we usually have one or two in our car just in case we might need it.TIL. someone replied with a picture, but honestly it looks like a big toothbrush and i was confused.
i live in Brazil btw, would not recommend
I moved from a cold climate to a hot climate. Instead of not wanting to do anything outside in the winter due to temps being in the 10f-20f range, I don’t want to do anything outside in the summers due to temperatures being in the 100f-110f range. You can always add layers of clothing, but there’s only so many layers you can remove.
Well I get the ‘best’ of both worlds here in Utah. Usually we have about 10-20 f weather in the winter, then 100 to 110 days in the summer. And you’re right, they have the same effect of keeping me indoors most of the time. I may be moving (not by my own choice) to Florida so - now I can deal with the heat AND oppressive humidity at the same time. Hooray.
