no one fucking told me about states banning RCV during all that yapping on here about how i should VOTE THIRD PARTY OR ELSE IM COMPLICIT in the DNCs CRIMES
it may or may not be joever, very blackpilled at this moment
edit it’s actually 10 states. 5 in the past two months.
It’s a system designed to keep the 2 parties in power. Voting third party means your vote is effectively wasted in a FPTP system
If enough people do it over time I wouldn’t think so right?
Each time they would win over and over more seats.
But of course that would require voters to recognize the situation, take the L and keep on continuing voting the third party
In FPTP, not really because voting third party can split the vote between multiple parties meaning that none of them get a relative majority of votes and their common opponent wins instead. The system encourages you to vote for the next closes party that is the most likely to get more votes (strategic voting). It entirely favours a 2 party dynamic
This is a good video explanation that you may have seen before as it is popular
that video illustrates the problem with strategic voting: it consolidates parties. the lesson you sohuld learn from it is that strategic voting is actually voting against your own interest.
This. Thinking that strategic way got them into this mess in the first place
But that’s the point of a new party, to split the votes. In the end you need to create a wedge big enough that neither side can ignore
But again, that takes way too much from people. They need to take the L a few times before actually pulling something worthwhile
States have banned ranked choice voting??? wtf why???
Can you guess which party that holds a tenuous grasp over their constituents via fear would not want them having the option of voting for other people that might more closely align with their ideals and morals?
I mean, technically it’s both parties at this point, but Republicans know that RCV will be the absolute death of the current version of their party which has devolved into little more than a reactionary ultranationalist faction.
RCV is the next carrot to keep idiots voting Democrat. The Bernie plan got exposed and Biden is not much lesser evil than Trump anymore. We have to give them a reason to be stupid enough to keep voting blue.
When RCV almost takes hold they will both sides a bullshit authoritarian move out of their ass and ban it.
The Bernie plan got exposed
Can you take a minute to explain what you mean by this?
Bernie almost won so the DNC turned against him.
Now everyone has given up on getting a progressive Democrat in power so a new carrot is needed. Which is RCV.
Shit, that’s why the store was out of tinfoil
The DNC rigging the election against Bernie is a well established fact.
Your lack of knowledge but overconfidence symbolizes everything the DNC hopes their voters are.
His narrative is a bit wonky but the general idea is true. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Democratic_National_Committee_email_leak
Trump’s presidency was so chaotic that it made us forget that the DNC Chair resigned mid campaign because of this scandal.
So the emails, hacked by Russians, revealed that a lot of Democrats didn’t like Bernie. Big fucking deal, a lot of people didn’t like Bernie. What did the DNC supposedly do to hurt Bernie?
And the DNC chair resigned because Democrats always resign. See Al Franken. Doesn’t matter if they did anything wrong, Dems are just spineless.
So the emails, hacked by Russians,
I have to wonder… If the Russians had hacked Bernie Madoff or Sam Bankman Fried, would Reddit Liberals think they were heroes, too?
Doesn’t matter if they did anything wrong
It does though. It matters quite a bit.
It should, but it doesn’t. Dems resign all the time because of a “perception of impropriety” or whatever the fuck. Dem officials are spineless, and social justice warriors are bloodthirsty vampires.
Trump: "A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution.” (Truth Social post, Dec. 3. 2022)
So what has Biden done that is “not much lesser evil” than trying to terminate the Constitution?
He’s been sponsoring a genocide in Gaza for the last six months, just for starters. His federal agencies helped coordinate violent police crackdowns of peaceful student protests, from Columbia to UCLA.
He’s continued Trump era immigration laws and even tightened them, resulting in the deaths of dozens of lawful asylum seekers in US custody and hundreds more in the wilderness along the US-Mexico border.
He continues to keep War Criminals like Elliot Abrams in his cabinet, and sponsors their efforts to inflict more coups and banana republics across Latin America.
He’s accelerated climate change by approving record new oil leases on public land, in exchange for O&G kickbacks to his party.
He bailed out Silicon Valley and Signature Banks to the tune of billions in order to protect depositors who had explicitly sought to avoid the cost of FDIC insurance, and received more kick backs in kind.
He kept Louis DeJoy at the Post Office, giving Trump’s man another four years to dismantle the largest non-military government employer.
I can keep going…
The problem is that as far as I can tell, in every last thing you mention Biden is completely dominated by Trump’s policies in terms of deplorableness.
For example, Louis Dejoy - Biden has merely refused to exceed his constitutional authority to fire DeJoy, something he has utterly no power to do and would immediately be overturned by the Supreme Court, helped along by the 3 extreme conservatives Trump put on the court. Meanwhile he’s started the process by ousting DeJoy’s allies. And of course, it was Trump who put DeJoy there in the first place. It’s like refusing to take the side of the Allies over the Axis because they’re not moving quickly enough to defeat Hitler. Yeah I get that it’s frustrating, but logically if you don’t like DeJoy, take the one side that’s anti-DeJoy. Trump obviously plans to keep him in as long as possible.
Or Israel. Biden’s policy is to continue funding Israel, and he’s backed by Congress and Trump in doing so. But Trump has gone much further than Biden or any other Democrat, having rewarded Israel’s oppression of Palestinians by recognizing Jerusalem as their capital, and giving the Medal of Freedom to Miriam Adelson, who openly supports Israel annexing the West Bank and has continued supporting Trump in 2024, donating him $100 million
Or climate change, immigration, etc. There’s a lot of hopeful fossil fuel CEOs spending tons on Trump, who wants to roll back all attempts to transition away from gasoline-fueled cars, there was that whole family separations thing, etc. Talking about war criminals, Trump actually pardoned a bunch of them including one convicted of first degree murder in the deaths of 14 Iraqi civilians, at the behest of his rich friend Erik Prince.
Point being, even if we limit ourselves to just looking at the bad things Biden has done, they’re still much lesser evil.
The problem is that as far as I can tell, in every last thing you mention Biden is completely dominated by Trump’s policies in terms of deplorableness.
They’re all continuations of Trump’s policies. Biden didn’t reverse them like he campaign on. In many cases, he made them worse.
For example, Louis Dejoy - Biden has merely refused to exceed his constitutional authority to fire DeJoy
Yes. Because Biden’s perfectly fine with privatization and always has been.
Or Israel. Biden’s policy is to continue funding Israel, and he’s backed by Congress and Trump in doing so.
Yes. Because Biden is perfectly fine with the genocide of the Palestinians and the reclamation of Gaza by Israeli settlers.
Or climate change, immigration, etc.
Yes, because Biden is beholden to the O&G lobby and perfectly happy with mass incarceration, etc.
Point being, even if we limit ourselves to just looking at the bad things Biden has done, they’re still much lesser evil.
They’re the same evil because they’re the same policies.
Forgot to add:
- The Electoral College
- Congressional apportionment
- The Senate
EC is there for a reason, it’s just not used for that reason
Imagine a candidate loyal to one of America’s enemies was voted in. The EC is there to stop that
What is “anti-electoral disinformation”
“don’t vote because it makes you complicit in your oppression” and similar
that’s true though. do you have any examples that are actually misinformation?
Can you explain to me how voting makes one complicit? And how not voting doesn’t make one complicit when the worse of two evils is elected?
Can you explain to me how voting makes one complicit? And how not voting doesn’t make one complicit when the worse of two evils is elected?
if you vote to put someone in power, you are complicit in their actions in office. if you don’t vote for that person, you can’t be complicit.
Hmmm, no, that’s at least not how I think and feel about it. It’s akin to the Trolley Problem for me, where, if my inaction kills/negatively impacts more people than my action, I am morally obligated to take action.
oh, i think pulling the lever makes you a murderer. but that’s the point of the trolley problem: it’s not that there is a right answer, its that your answer will help you understand your own morality.
Are you willing to let four more people die just to avoid being a murderer? Do you assign to that label more moral value than you assign to human lives?
Why would they ban ranked choice? Oh right, because they’d absolutely never get elected if they couldn’t cheat with the current gerrymandered hell they’ve built.
They’re banning it because it’s confusing. We are literally too stupid to have a representative government.
hey, you can vote for a third party that represents your ideals and politics and it’s not throwing your vote away or voting for trump.
you don’t have to feel blackpilled, the way out of this is past the winners of this next election, not through them.
This. Sounds like much but people need to take the L, and create a wedge big enough that neither side can stop noticing anymore
And just lopping all that off might just kill us. We would die clean though
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I love how so many Americans staunchly and aggressively proclaim none of these issues (or the multitude of others not listed) just simply don’t exist.
Then after a quick google, may agree they exist but only “not in my backyard, therefore it doesn’t really happen”.
Then with some realization hopefully see it happens not only right where they live but the entire country. But that last part is rare.
And generally the best outcome is “well if you vote for my guy, everything will be solved”. Ignoring the 99% of issues that the 2 main parties agree on but create too many profits for donors to ever be looked at.
Other countries would be called olagarchies when a few rich people get their interests catered to and everyone else is along for the rude. Other countries are called theocracies that offer a far greater actual religious freedom than the US and do not enact Christian/Catholic laws like abortion and 10 commandments in schools. I can keep going for hours. But those that get it, already got it. And those that don’t, won’t ever until they escape American propaganda.
The downvotes by ignorant Americans are welcome.
