Subtitle: Springfield’s immigrant community was targeted by far-right extremists months before Trump shared racist rumors

  • MyOpinion@lemm.ee
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    They do not apply to enemies of the state like the Taliban, ISIS or Nazis.

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      You want to deprive citizens of their constitutionally protected rights because you disagree with them, because you’ve defined them “enemies of the state”. You’re a nationalist fascist.

      Good luck with that.

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        At some point speech becomes hate speech that actually hurts people. In Germany there are laws against that, I’m sure the US has too.

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          Fortunately, feelings aren’t protected in the US. Hate speech can only be used to show intent in the commission of an actual crime.

          Should’ve used the “fire in a theater” example with stochastic terrorism from a position of authority.

          Why is it I need make your argument for you? Think about that one for awhile.

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            Should’ve used the “fire in a theater” example with stochastic terrorism from a position of authority.

            How about the example of someone saying black immigrants are eating dogs in a debate carried by all networks and live on multiple streaming platforms?

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            I think I can say that I am living in germany, currently a country not under the government of national fascists, that has a law against so called “Volksverhetzung” which has been introduced quite literally to prevent some speech of the nationalist fascists, to prevent them from spreading their hateful ideology. Maybe you wanna think about that for awhile.

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              The prolitariat doesn’t need the protection of governance from ideas. That’s how we get Nazis. Study your history.

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                This isn’t about ideas it is about calling for violence towards people. This isn’t how you get Nazis this is the “you already have Nazis and need to do something about it”

                Also, funnily enough, the proletariat or what’s left of it, are the ones currently flocking to the right-wing extremist party here in Germany.

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                Nah bruv, as an american, the people are too dumb to not need some sort of protection from hate speech and ideas. A fact checker needs to be a mandatory public service at this point. I feel the same way about the homeless bum who shouts at everyone downtown that their participation in consummerism is destroying everything. If they called for violence, it would be a step too far.

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                  And, that’s exactly how we got so dumb.

                  Check out The Manufacturing of Consent. Or, if lighter reading is your thing, 1984.

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                    Controlling media and having a fact-checker pop up are two different things. Let people spout their nonsense, but flag sources of misinformation as unreliable.

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        You go tell that to the entire generation that had to fight and die to free us of the Nazi plague. Nazis have no place in this country and are an enemy to everything we stand for. There is Zero reason we should allow them any space to speak or live with us.