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    14 days ago

    I got into this argument the other day. People’s arrogance and lack of common sense was disappointing.

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      I’m going to be 100% with yall that comment and post this shit.

      Before I go on, let me say I voted dem and know they would be better for the world over Trump.

      But is that’s the standard and argument you expect people to vote for, you are in for a rude awakening… To anyone reading this or agreeing with these outright insulting comments and posts about how you know better need to take a long look in the mirror. Because…

      If the only support you are giving to the Palestinian and Arab people is voting Dem and having arguments about lesser evils, then you are not helping the situation.

      Yes vote dem. But get off your ass and protest, donate, and support those communities currently harmed be democrats disastrous Gaza and Middle East policy. That’s how you sway hearts and minds. These fucking backhanded, self serving, ignorant posts and comments won’t stop anything but prove to those communities that the democrats base does not give a shit about anything that doesn’t directly effect themselves.

      Yall are missing the forest from the trees. Not voting for the light genicidal party nor the full genicidal party isn’t some gotcha win for Trump. It’s a failure on our part to demand our party doesn’t continue using our votes to do harm.

      call your senators daily and demand they publicly denounce Israel and the IDF. Donate money to organizations that are saving lives destroyed by our bombs. March with your fellow Palestinian and Arab brothers and sisters. Divest and boycott any business with ties to Isreal and the IDF.

      But Ya im sure comparing individuals that have lost friends and family to bombs provided by the Democrat administration, to Lord Farquaad. We’re better than this. This is just conservative tactics used on a population that we need to vote blue! We are better than this! show some empathy and get involved. I have Palestinian friends and they would spit in your face if you said this kind of shit to their face because it’s removing the humanity of the 40k people killed by Isreal via bombs provided by Biden/Harris. If you/we don’t care why should they?

      Edit: just realized how tone deaf this post is. Who’s more like Lord Farquaad? Palestinian and Arab Americans who’s friends and family are being displaced, starved, and bombed? Or literally the leadership that didn’t even allow Palestinians to speak at a convention and is currently providing bombs and aid to Isreal?

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        Thank you so much for this detailed response. I think I’m gonna vote for Kamala, not because I think Kamala is gonna do good things for the Middle East.

        I’m voting because either we get a president that may or may not listen to protesters, or we’ll get one that will wipe out protesting nationwide.

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      Yeah tell ne qbout it thinking not voting for either one somehow helps trump 😂 same people that failed basic arithmetic clearly. What they really msan to say is that people voting third party are not helping harris…and yeah thats the point and entirely not the same thing.

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        49k votes for Stein in Pennsylvania, Trump won by 47k

        32k votes for Stein in Wisconsin, Trump won by 22k

        51k votes for Stein in Michigan, Trump won by 10k.

        Third party voters are useful idiots.

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            Its literally how they behave everywhere, business or military.

            You are judged by your ability to attack opinions or people you don’t like.

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          Maybe you should convince the democrats to try and win some third party votes then. Can’t blame people for voting according to their values.

          I’m sure you call multiple groups of americans idiots though. Thats definitely not the same thing the republicans do to minorities right?

          You’re doing the good discrimination right?

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              Sorry i shouldn’t have made it so advanced. Ill try to come up with a simpler example in the future!

              But maybe sit out of the political removed fest if you can’t handle how basic arithmetic works eh?

              If harris or the dnc want votes, then promote and deliver on policies that people want. If you cant well thats a them problem.

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                Copy pasting the same smug wall of text every time is not the political own you think it is. In fact, it makes people not want to read it.

                Maybe you should get off of the internet and enjoy the nature outside. It’s good for people, y’know?

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                  shrug maybe people should get a clue on what third party votes mean and stop posting the same tired, wrong, and pointless ‘theyre helping Y’ nonsense and ill stop treating them all like children.

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                  Try taking your own advice. A bit of time away from a screen should help with these feeling that everyone who fails to vote for Harris is a Trump suppprter.

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            Did you even read this article? This is what Liz Cheney actually said:

            “Reactionaries make statements. Conscientious and thoughtful people take action because they know moral statements will never change the world.”

            If you’re interpreting that statement as indicating support for Apartheid, then you clearly have problems with reading comprehension.

            In any case, there’s a big difference between Liz Cheney’s bad opinion in 1987, and the guy who founded the “Knights of the Ku Klux Klan” in Louisiana. There’s quite a gap in scale there.

            Your “stone” seems to be more of a bouncy ball.

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              Dick Cheney is responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people. Incredible that liberals will defend the Cheneys, not sure if it’s that you don’t care about people’s lives if they happened to be born in another country, or if you’re just willing to defend anyone and anything if you think it’ll help you win.

              How did Stein’s response to David Duke’s endorsement compare to Harris’ response to Cheney’s? Did she accept the endorsement?

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                Its the part you said about lives in other countries not mattering.

                The propaganda there is strong.

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              Dick Cheney sweet heart. Dick. But liz is also a shit human. Seems like harris is attracting alot of them with a warm embrace. 🤔

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                But the article you linked is about an op-ed that Liz Cheney wrote while in college? I don’t understand what point you’re trying to make about Dick.

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                  indeed it is. that op-ed is just as bad. anyways.

                  Dick Cheney voted against imposing economic sanctions on South Africa’s apartheid government and opposed a resolution calling for Nelson Mandela to be released from prison, saying Mandela was a “terrorist”—a position Cheney defended as recently as 2000, when he ran for vice president.

                  there are a lot of things about dick we can reference here if you want. but that was the relevant bit. I was just pointing in a direction for you to get you started.

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            Is this a bot account or something? Every post has obvious typing mistakes and they all say utter bullshit. When shortly scrolling through their comments I didn’t see a single upvote.

            Every comment is on the usa election. Account created 2 weeka ago.

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              and yes, everyone comment is on the election because thats all I particularly care about atm ;) please support rank choice in your state so this nonsense can stop. I’m tired of watching my country kill people for no good fucking reason. I’m tired of watching people shit on 3rd party voters for having a moral conscience that is clearly superior to the majority of liberals.

              I am sorry every argument against 3rd party voters is so easily torn apart by simple addition demonstrating that its harmless. if more people had a spine maybe harris wouldn’t be supporting a genocide. but then again maybe she would. either way hard pass.

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        Oh the irony here.

        If there are only two viable options, not helping one is the same as helping the other.

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            If there’s a toddler about to walk into traffic and you choose to keep swiping on tinder or whatever instead of helping the kid, that kid’s death is still on you.

            Samw thing with not stopping trump.

            It’s really not complicated.

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                Okay, 40k have died, you can choose to be on your phone and another 80k will die ot you can help and only 40k more will die.

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                Hey kiddo, instead of deflecting to Palestine, how about you explain how either this voting instance is different than the analogy I’ve given or admit that you’d be fine letting the kid die because of whatever.

                If you’re going to be incorrectly smug about voting third party, try answering a reasonable question about it.

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                What’s trumps excuse? What’s your excuse? What’s God’s excuse?

                I’m tired of all this. I take full responsibility. If I had done more this tragedy could have been averted. I’m sorry to those who have suffered because of my inadequacy. Render what ever judgment you will on me and in the future, if there is one for scum like me, I will try to do better.

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                  What’s trumps excuse?

                  who cares? he never had a chance at my vote to begin with for a large number of reasons. we can just add it to the pile of shitty things trump is okay doing. but we already knew he was willing to commit genocide. this is a surprise to no one who as paid attention.

                  What’s God’s excuse?

                  dunno if i could find him i’d ask him.

                  What’s your excuse?

                  for what? not supporting harris? I’ve been very clear on this: genocide.

                  I’m tired of all this.

                  so am I friend, so am I. I’m not the one running around trying to convince people to vote for a particular candidate by shaming others using intellectually dishonest claims of ‘helping trump’, ‘both parties were going genocide, pick the lesser evil’, etc.

                  I want people to get off their ass and vote. I didnt vote for harris or trump, I voted down ballot. I’m also not in a swing state or a state with shitty womens rights. harris is going to win my state regardless. That being said the liberals running around spouting nonsense about helping trump when its clearly and demonstrably not true is going to lead to people not voting at all.

                  And that my friend is why I call this shit out. because they might have voted down ticket regardless which can only help the situation. and quite frankly im happy to treat people with the same level of vitriol that they treat others. Now I will continue campaigning against genocide and getting ranked choice done, please volunteer so people can stop being asses to each other.

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                    How does who you vote for in the presidential election promote RCV? How does it reduce genocide? The action you promote advances neither goal. I will grant that if you’re in a secure state, your vote will have little chance to affect the presidential election, but it also won’t serve as a wakeup call to the winners of the election that FPTP needs to go.

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                    who cares? he never had a chance at my vote to begin with for a large number of reasons. we can just add it to the pile of shitty things trump is okay doing. but we already knew he was willing to commit genocide. this is a surprise to no one who as paid attention.

                    It kind of matters. Just a little, don’t you think. Don’t you think the openly fascist candidate matters, sorta, kinda, just a little bit? You know your vote alone doesn’t decide the outcome of the election, right?

                    for what? not supporting harris? I’ve been very clear on this: genocide.

                    Let me figure this one out. Your non support for Harris has discluded you from responsibility for the death of a child in a foreign nation? How about this, I don’t support Harris either. I’ll still vote for her.

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        Gotta love people trying to use maþ to defend someþing ð actual maþ clearly says is ð complete fucking opposite of helpful.

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          😂 gotta love people who fail to contextualize math. Let me know you when you determine what helpful means to me, was that even the goal? Kind of an important detail dont you think?

          Someday you’ll realize that your failure to understand motivation was exactly one of the points i was making. But alas i fear that day is far off.