They make a great point. But nobody here read the article.
I read the article, they are not making any points other than a completely empty claim that only Palestinians get to decide.
What they should be doing is profusely apologizing for their catastrophic stupidity while rallying people to try and impeach the orange felon.
Everyone of these dumb fucks can just go shut the fuck up. They are one of the main reasons for the Trump victory. All of them knew Trump would be worse, but they were all too fucking stupid to just go with the least bad option. Kamala was not a good candidate, but she was better than Trump in every facet.
The vote was down to preservation of democracy or end democracy and start FACISM. Murika voted for fascism.
They were too insignificant to listen to. They’re too insignificant to blame.
And now insignificant enough to be forgotten
…until you need someone to scapegoat for the party’s next loss.
Their rhetoric and decision to not vote for the only viable non Trump candidate is plenty reason to blame. They aren’t as bad as people that directly voted for him, but they are the next worst thing and the difference between is borderline indiscernible.
Their rhetoric and decision to not vote for the only viable non Trump candidate is plenty reason to blame.
If democrats can blame them, they were fools to ignore them.
It’s true but they still made the choice they made, and that’s unforgivable. Fuck em, Trump lovers.
Their rhetoric and decision to not vote for the only viable non Trump candidate is plenty reason to blame.
Centrists ignored them on the grounds that they could afford to lose them. You were wrong.
There is nothing centrist about acknowledging the fact that they fucked both themselves and everyone else.
There is nothing centrist about acknowledging the fact that they fucked both themselves and everyone else.
Except blaming people you screamed at for a solid year.
They were and still are idiots. They knew what was at stake and made their decision. They decided to support fascism and Trump and defending that decision is the same the same thing.
They were and still are idiots. They knew what was at stake and made their decision.
I know. And they lost votes because they wouldn’t give up support for genocide. Naturally, since no centrist can ever admit when they’re wrong, they blame the voters they hate.
who ever thought trump would be better for palestinians is dumb asf. not saying harris would have done a good job since it seems no president will take their side.
They were complaining that Biden was doing nothing for the situation.
What did they think Trump was going to do for them?
Well, he was the “Muslim ban” president, so it couldn’t have been good.
But that ship has sailed. We have a malicious, greedy oligarch in control of the USA now.
People always start taking the status quo for granted eventually. On one hand, Trump might actually end the Palestinian genocide. Just, not in the way they want.
Yeah he’ll get the genocide finished as quickly as possible.
Go fuck yourselves. Almost everyone tried to tell you this was going to end badly.
God. Damn these people are so pants shittingly stupid.
They are going to be yelling about how no palestinian can be removed from their land even as they are being tossed onto a plane to El Salvador.
Stupid fuckers. All it’s going to take is one u s soldier getting his boot scuffed, and they’ll round them all up.
They’ve been scuffing the boots of IDF soldiers for years and they’re still going
But, hey, I’m sure the US is totally different, look at how easy and cheap it was for us to occupy Iraq /s
Not really. October 7th was a massive overplay on the part of Hamas. They launched a state level military invasion into Israel. In the hopes of a better prison swap. It was an absolute disaster for the people of Palestine as well the Hamas and it’s backers.
Hamas is effectively ended as well as the support networks in neighboring countries that were helped by Iran.
There is no longer a state level actor in the region effectively supporting military action. It will take years before anything effective can happen on the ground.
There is no longer a state level actor on the ground supporting humanitarian action.
Now is very different than before. This is not the same old same old that had been going on for a long time. The status quo has changed and there is a very real possibility that Palestine will vanish.
Not to mention, Trump is a peacetime president. He’s ending the Ukraine War and the Israel Palestine War
day 1week 1whenever convenientcommitting US troops to Gaza to commandeer the land and redevlop it as a US territory, while also threatening to take over the Panama Canal, Greenland, and to annex Canada, and requesting Zelensky allow Putin to ravage Ukrainian land and likely install puppet govt while prosecuting any Ukrainian loyalists as the Russians see fit.You know. Peaceful things.
Why would trump’s military care about easy or cheap?
Secretary of State Marco Rubio wrote on X: “Gaza MUST BE FREE from Hamas. As @POTUS shared today, the United States stands ready to lead and Make Gaza Beautiful Again. Our pursuit is one of lasting peace in the region for all people.”
Ahmad, the spokesperson for the Abandon Harris campaign and a Palestinian activist, also said: “Despite the entire world being against them, Palestinians have proven that they will be victorious. They are returning to their homes and living among the rubble—people like that cannot be defeated. That is not a matter of opinion; it is a fact.”
The level of cope is just so hard here.
I bet this face must be extra tasty for the leopards.
These leopards are going to get diabetes with how they’ve been eating lately.
“Over the past 16 months, the Biden-Harris administration’s full, unobstructed support for Israel’s campaign of genocide and ethnic cleansing has failed to remove the Palestinians of Gaza from their land,” Hudhayfah Ahmad, a spokesperson for the Muslim-American led Abandon Harris campaign, said in a statement to Newsweek.
“It is not Trump—just as it was not Biden or Harris—who decides what the Palestinians can or cannot do; that decision belongs solely to the people of Palestine.”
I hope what’s happening to the Palestinian people never happens to you, but if it does I hope people don’t treat you the same when you beg for help for your friends and family who have spent their entire lives under occupation and multiple genocides.
Hopefully someone doesn’t have to write a new poem, but it seems like humanity didn’t learn the lesson last time:
I hope I’m not ever stupid enough to pick a Republican that has pushed for Palestinians to be removed from Gaza, that told Israel to do what they had to do to end the war during the election, and talked about harsh punishments for pro-Palestinian protestors into office.
One can be critical about the one side support from the Biden administration, which I absolutely was and still am, yet realize that there are worse people out there and not be so stupid as to let that evil into power.
Enjoy your protest vote, hope it works out for you guys.
Look at the statistics, please. The margins were not “but for Palestinian Americans, Harris would have won”. You can scapegoat Palestinians all the way until it’s time to demand people vote Democrats because they’re holding themselves hostage again, but it’s not going to win them the votes they need to have a chance at winning. And in the meantime, while they’re whining about how raw the deal they got in the election, we’re watching them sit on their hands during Musk’s takeover.
Regardless of who won, the genocide was set to continue.
The only leverage they had to get Biden to stop supporting a genocide was to threaten to withhold votes
When Biden/Kamala refused to listen, some voters held their ground.
Enjoy your protest vote, hope it works out for you guys.
I held my nose and voted D like I always do.
But I understand why others didn’t, and that a candidate who already agrees with their base has a better chance then one who the base disagrees with.
So logically, we need to not keep trying to force a candidate on dem voters who is more conservative then Dem voters.
If you want to yell at people who were chased away from the political process by Biden/Kamala’s policies…
You’re going to have to go find them, they’re politically disengaged, they’re not going to be hanging out in political social media communities.
You’re gonna have to leave the comfort of your couch and do it face to face, go get right up to them and taunt them about the generations of family who have been abused and killed.
I won’t wait to hear back how it went, but I wish you the best of luck.
Oh, those people are absolutely here. I’ve had multiple arguments with them for the past week or so.
They’re trying as hard as they can to justify letting fascism win. I guess it’s so they can sleep at night pretending their protest didn’t condemn millions to suffer and actively make the situation worse for the people they were protesting for.
You just replied to multiple of comments of mine across different threads in the span of minutes…
Is this a coincidence thing or did I block your main account and you just noticed and desperately want to restart an old argument anywhere you can?
I hate to ask, but unfortunately this wouldn’t be the first time.
I guess I just really disagree with your opinions.
Blaming the voters for the absense of an anti-genocide candidate seems really productive. Maybe if we keep re-litigating the election for the next four years the Democrats will run Hillary again. /s
Blame the voters, for donvict being in office?
Why yes, I think I will. Who else to blame? It’s not like candidates voted themselves into office.
Don’t vote? Don’t complain when things go to shit.
Also, want change? Actually vote in the primaries, donate to a better candidate, volunteer for the better candidate, and fucking vote in the primaries.
Jesus, everyone thinks that MAGA’s control came overnight, this shitshow took most of the 40+years of being on this earth to happen.
Their campaign to radically remake America has gone back even further than that. The reactionary mindset hates freedom of others and cannot stand being hemmed in even slightly by any kind of debt to society or being decent to others, etc…
So the xtian loons, the white supremacists and the people that give themselves bullshit titles like “job creators” got together on this…
What primaries? The Democrats don’t hold those anymore.
You ought to be blaming the Democrats for pushing another status quo candidate without even running a primary.
The voters aren’t responsible for the uninspiring candidate they were offered, and the Democrats are too busy projecting their failure on their constituents to take responsibility and make changes to prevent it from happening again.
That blame is ongoing. But it wasn’t going to change anything in the fall off 2024. The train already left the station. Given that, when trump was one of the tracks, the only sane option was to avoid it. All other logic is secondary after that.
That’s the problem with treating an election like a moral dilemma, this perspective forces you to take the party itself for granted.
You sat and watched as the Democrats set up a Trolley Problem, but you’re blaming the people they put at the switch rather than they who tied us to the tracks in the first place.
Moderates:
The problem with Republicans is their blind support of trump, they’ll always vote R!
Also moderates, often in the same breath:
The problem with Democrats is they want to hold politicians to a higher standard, instead of blindly voting D!
“Biden/Harris must stop what’s happening in Gaza! The status quo isnt acceptable at all, but at least advocacy and support groups will have the ability to continue lobbying the government under Harris. Under trump they’ll be branded terrorists and deported to remote prisons”
Missed that one.
Lil Marco is such a pathetic bootlicking weenie.
Such a hateful comment. It’s not even about American voters. The quote you pull here is about human people living through unimaginable torment and loss and you call it “cope.”
I know, it’s absolutely hateful to say Arab American have to live with the consequences of their actions.
you said cope. about ethnic displacement. like it’s internet beef or something. that’s what’s hateful. cope with me judging you for it.
It’s not a problem too cope with you judging me, it’s very, very easy, barely an inconvenience.
I simply don’t care one whit about what you think about me. You have your opinion, I have mine and opinions are like assholes, we all have one.
And regardless of what our opinions are it won’t change the fact that Arab Americans endorsed Trump, was a key factor in his victory, and he implemented a Muslim man in his first term and one of his first acts was to nominate and appoint cabinet members who have a history of anti-Muslim rhetoric, and just stated he wanted to turn Gaza into a parking lot with resorts and no Palestinians.
May you and I live in the interesting times we voted or sat out of voting for.
And regardless of what our opinions are it won’t change the fact that Arab Americans endorsed Trump,
Ah there you go! You have a problem with some Arab Americans who endorsed Trump. I have a problem with them to!
But some is not all. The quote you cited is from a group who endorsed Jill Stein. If every Stein vote had been alocated to Harris the outcome would have been the same.
Looks like I have helped you successfully make your position less hateful. It turns out you were attacking the wrong group. This is progress. :) Best regards.
The situation in Palestine is going to get worse under trump, but then things were also getting worse while under Biden too. There is no winning for Palestinians because the plan is for Israel to take over the entire area. Policy over partisanship, as AIPAC puts it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlKmWa8p4UM
Glad to see they’re sticking to their guns. Make sure the libs understand that we’ll do it again if they don’t give in to the demands.
How the fuck are the sticking to their guns? They literally changed their name so as to not signal support for the guy that they campaigned for.
Literally the opposite of “sticking to their guns”
They literally changed their name so as to not signal support for the guy that they campaigned for.
???
Which guy did they campaign for?
Ah, OP was referencing a different group of faces being offered up yesterday in conjunction with this.
https://apnews.com/article/arab-americans-trump-gaza-name-peace-479f6777cac7bac52fb098daa0821cb5
They endorsed, campaigned for, and voted for the guy that just said to ethnically cleanse Gaza and had his First Lady give a neo Nazi salute twice at his inauguration.
Man you’re really out of touch with the Arab community here.
I’m a little more concerned about our loss of democracy and rapid societal decay.
I think some folks just wanted the worst possible outcome for Americans.
Go right ahead, not like there will be much to fight over after Trump turns Gaza into a Israeli resort town.
I’m rooting for you!
The area was levelled under Biden. There would be zero restraint either way. The limiting factors are the groups actually fighting against the genocidal American Empire and its pet rabid dog.
You keep thinking that, good luck and enjoy watching what will unfold.
enjoy watching what will unfold.
You people are truly sick.
You’re the one enabling nazis bro. Wake the fuck up
I least I’m not actively voting for them like y’all are.
You make choices, you live with the consequences. It’s as simple as that.
You agree that Trump is the lesser of two evils then there’s nothing to say at this point but you must live with the consequences of those actions.
That’s life, that’s reality, that’s consequences.
What a nice little rationalization you have for not regarding them as human.
Has there ever been a people more arrogant than your kind? When you look through the past, you see all these cases of genocide, not one of them justified, and you think, “Ah, but they were all stupid. I’m so smart that when I support it, it’s the only rational, objectively correct decision.” It doesn’t even give you a moment of pause. You don’t even have the decency to speak about it with the gravity it deserves. You gleefully watch people die because it gives you the satisfaction of believing in your own rightness and superiority over the fools who actually give a damn. Meanwhile, you are so shortsighted and unimaginative that you think the laws imposed by our mortal rulers are as rigid and unchangable as natural law.
Honestly, the more I talk to people like you, the more I understand religious people. Much as I dislike religion, if it provides immunization against your way of thinking, perhaps it’s worth it! Is there any way of thinking that’s worse than yours?
What a utterly stupid comment.
The fact that you have so little understanding that people can hold more than one opinion and rationale and seriously think that simple pointing out that Arab Americans that endorsed Trump must now live with the consequences and conflating that with that must mean holding that opinion means you’re jumping for joy that Trump is advocating for the displacement of Palestinians from Gaza.
May you love in the interesting times your brought upon us all.
How completely unexpected to see the libs firmly deciding that this is all the fault of brown people.
https://midwest.social/comment/15162938
While they appreciate Trump’s commitment to rebuilding Gaza,
Fucking lol
They’re just that stupid.
Well aren’t you just the hypocritical ass.
Muslims were a key swing vote in key swing states like Michigan and Wisconsin.
More importantly, the dems might have actually won if they had taken this opportunity to show that they were capable of listening to and learning from their constituents.
Trump demonstrated that he could grow and adapt from his previous term while the dems insisted on dictating terms and asserting that everything was fine without room for criticism or growth.
Improve and grow.
Listen and adapt.
Do better.
This is proven by the data. Every poll on the subject reflected the sentiment that, had Harris split from Biden on Israel-Gaza, more would vote Harris. This was known before the election. This data was ignored. People were screaming for their rights up to the last second. Many (not all) still voted Harris. And now they are getting screamed down for still having the gall to express their anger at humans being treated as animals. It feels hopeless. The white moderate liberal has no shame or empathy.
If the Palestinian vote was enough to sway the election, then the amount of Jewish people who would have done the same if any presidential candidate came out in strong support of Palestine, has to be at least an order of magnitude higher.
I am not equating the two positions, I am simply talking about campaign strategy.
I don’t think you understand the stranglehold that the Israel lobby has on US politics.
If you believe that appealing to voters no matter what is always the right thing for politicians then you must love Donald Trump. Because he appealed to voters better than Harris.
Jewish people do not default to Israel’s side.
I think you think Jewish people are all pro-Israel which is ignorant at best. Bigotry at worst.
Again the data proved this. These were polls of voters in general, not pro-Palestinians. American Jews were absolutely represented by the polls.
Thank you for commenting, friend.
All of the talk of civil rights being America’s priority has fallen short in the face of our economic priorities and our proclivity to agitate for war.
We have designed a society where empathy is scarce. A society overworked and without the bandwidth for most to process how their actions impact people on the other side of the globe.
Sometimes you’ve gotta skip out on the bullshit to live life and learn for yourself. All of these increases in productivity, and yet we have less and less time to be human and stitch together our society.
To everyone calling them stupid. What exactly should they have done in this situation? What is the better solution when your only options are death or a faster death?
Im genuinely asking
your only options are death or a faster death?
- It’s a binary choice
- One’s less bad
- Do math
If you need to hold your nose to make the choice to prevent a worse alternative, then you hold your nose and make the choice that prevents a worse alternative.
No one said it’s an easy choice. But it’s a simple choice. Don’t confuse Easy with Simple because it’s a hard, hard binary choice.
And this was explained, so, so so, so-so, so many times.
Vote blue and send huge amounts of letters and phone calls to your Congress people telling them to stop supporting this. Run new candidates under the Democratic party that push them further left.
Sounds impossible? Yes. People were force fed propaganda and gave up this election, because its a hard choice. There is no easy route. Its either revolution or try to change a party to something better. There is no option 3.
People told the centrists, I told my friends for fucks sake. I know someone who stayed home saying their vote didn’t matter and both sides are evil. I told them that is a vote for Trump.
They were right. Their vote didn’t matter because trump won by a landslide in our state. But what if they, and thousands of their compatriots, weren’t force fed propaganda on Facebook and TV?
The republicans won because of coordinated attacks that presented centrists with multiple trolley problems. I held out hope until the end, but I should have known what was going to happen when some reasonably intelligent people fell for it.
So RIP to potentially competitive down ballot races that their liberal vote could have helped. Judges, city council, prosecutors, etc
Slower death with the ability to continue advocacy and refugee work.
Slower death means more people escape while peace talks occur. More people will die now, at an increased rate.
Rather than Israel getting some, insufficient but existing friction, they now have completely free reign
The options appears to have been
Get bombed but afterwards the survivors get to stay in their homeland.
Or
Get bombed and afterwards the survivors are ethnically cleansed and their homeland becomes a US/Israel resort.
So slow genocide with open air prison vs quicker genocide?
Surviving until another more friendly politician comes around is certainly a much better option.
The best way to ensure a politician who supports a cause comes along is to support politicians unconditionally whether they support it or not.
And the people who think that genuinely think it’s the rest of us who are stupid lmao
It’s like you’re addicted to misrepresenting people’s argument
My apologies, I must have misunderstood.
In that case, the best way to ensure a politician who supports a certain cause comes along is to conditionally support politicians only when they support said cause.
Do you want the genocide that will take a century, or the genocide that will take a few weeks to months.
The lefts goal is to stop the genocide, in either scenario, but it seems like a much harder thing to do under the latter option.
Slower means more people are alive. More time for change.
they could have shut up and never expressed emotion or dissent at the deplorable level of dignity stripping they were subject to.
that’s the genuine answer. that’s what white liberals would have preferred.
and now they are getting shouted down by those liberals for still advocating for their own rights. many still even voted harris. it’s truly heartbreaking. america is so racist even the rise of fascism is blamed on brown people.
