As a Canadian just north of the border preparing for invasion that gets threatened weekly, I can assure you it is happening now. Do not kid yourself. Autism is preventable was today. Tomorrow will be worse just as each consecutive day has been worse under this regime.
Did I question this in any way? No. Will there be over a million be killed in those camps? Hopefully not, we don’t know yet. As I described in another comment: this is about perspective. And most Germans see 1.1 Million murders if they see concentration camp.
I am as concerned as everybody here about what is happening, and I will call Trump and friends neo nazis every single day.
But making a ln Holocaust comparison is something very tabu in Germany. For good reasons
It’s not a comparison. It’s happening every day. Open your eyes please. It is as serious as you think it could be that is why we are using this language.
I see how serious it is, as serious as around 1934, imprisoned without trial, forced to work. I get this.
Using the term “Arbeit macht frei” in the unique style auf the front gate of Ausschwitz, a camp that just opened 1940 l, and the worst camp after all, run by criminals, literally criminals, with conviction and everything, that is simply offensive.
Of course you most likely do not know those details.
Auchwitz imagery was invoked to show how deathly serious the path we’re going down is. This is not the time to be offended by comparisons to the Holocaust - this is the time to be outraged that our stupid country learned absolutely nothing and is heading in the same direction that yours did.
Snd you and American people should be! This must be stopped.
I just explained why dome Germans, including me, find this at least tasteless. As mentioned. Perspective. And from your there is nothing wrong, and that is fine. Just don’t expect me (and I am sure neither the artist nor you to this) to applaud.
The problem is you’re saying that your discomfort at seeing Auschwitz invoked is more important than the very real suffering of the people being depicted in the comic. How bad Auschwitz was is very well known by more people than you seem to think. I guarantee the artist knew and specifically used it to make a point. There is nothing to applaud here.
I am not saying this. I just explained a perspective. What is up with you folks?
Really?
Ok, let’s be 100% clear here. I am offended. Yes. Maybe because my grand grand parents died in (grand grand dad) or afterwards due (grand grand mother) Ausschwitz. They where there as political prisoners because they didn’t share the regimes opinion.
And because this, I fully understand “your” side. I am not offended by the author or any individual.
And I can overcome this feeling, knowing your perspective.
But let’s do a little game: i share an opinion. And opinion that is not yours. And what are you doing? Dismissal and “punishment”. See any correlation? This is a risky game, that for sure must be played, with high stakes. You may feel the need for such edgy content. And you surely need provocative, over the top, content to raise awareness.
Sure, it is offending me, and the initial commentor. But nobody is prohibited to like or share this, and I have no issues with the people they do.
In none of your comments have you expressed ANY concern or acknowledgment for the victims depicted in this comic. It’s all been how offended YOU are by the use of such extreme Auschwitz imagery. You’re expressing your opinion, and I’m expressing mine - that you’re too concerned with how you feel about how the comic is making its point rather than the real-world suffering it’s representing. What happened to your family has a very real danger of happening again here, and the author is evoking that as a warning.
I am Canadian and I am educated. I do know those details quite well thank you. The dictator in the United States has 35ish felony convictions. That’s not enough for you? You think he isn’t surrounded by fellow criminals and is placing those like him in all the positions of power? Holy shit. This conversation blows my mind. A Holocaust requires so many rules. Holy fuck.
It is THE Holocaust. There can be no other. It was a genocide of the Jewish people.
And i see you don’t know anything about Ausschwitz.
Let me help out:
Rapist, murders and other career criminals where assigned there as functionaries. They made also overseers (kapos).
Prisoners who arrived there would either be send directly into the gas chamber, or shaved, tattooed with there serial number and had to work to death.
Medical, horrific, experiments where done on the inmates. Who was not longer fit to work would be executed, and this was done from the beginning on.
We are not there (yet). We are still in 1935. And Trump has to be stopped at any cost.
But in my view, these meme is edgy at least, and from my point of view far over the edge.
I have visited readings of Holocaust survivors, we had one coming to our school and telling us about what happened. And believe me, luckily there is time to stop this, before we reach the level of 1940. Not much though
The fucking rules you have for mass murdering dictators. You are fucking nutso. I am proud to say my grandfather’s died to help eliminate your Nazis. I’ll probably do the same should this get much worse than it is.
Your unyielding rules terrify me as much as Nazis, dictators and death camps do.
What damn rules? What the hell are you talking about? I just shared a perspective! I explained why some may react in a negative way to this meme.
Please, help me out here: what to you think I have “rules” for exactly?
There are is one single rule, and that is neither by me nor is it relevant for the argument. And that is the the term Holocaust is the name for the exact event that startet 1940 with the mass execution of jews. There will be no “other” or “second” Holocaust. It is a proper noun.
So comparing anything to the Holocaust must happen under this premises.
And I just pointed out, that the meme itself does this comparison, most likely inadvertently. And some Germans may react offended.
That’s all. I don’t day you should not upvote, share, or use this. I just shared a point of view.
“The government does not intend to release the prisons inmates”
Miguel Sarre, a former member of the United Nations Subcommittee for the Prevention of Torture, described CECOT as a “concrete and steel pit” used to “dispose of people without formally applying the death penalty”, citing that the government does not intend to release the prison’s inmates.*
*]Ventas, Leire (14 February 2024). “Coming Face to Face with Inmates in El Salvador’s Mega-Jail”. BBC News. Retrieved 31 January 2025.
As a Canadian just north of the border preparing for invasion that gets threatened weekly, I can assure you it is happening now. Do not kid yourself. Autism is preventable was today. Tomorrow will be worse just as each consecutive day has been worse under this regime.
Did I question this in any way? No. Will there be over a million be killed in those camps? Hopefully not, we don’t know yet. As I described in another comment: this is about perspective. And most Germans see 1.1 Million murders if they see concentration camp.
I am as concerned as everybody here about what is happening, and I will call Trump and friends neo nazis every single day.
But making a ln Holocaust comparison is something very tabu in Germany. For good reasons
It’s not a comparison. It’s happening every day. Open your eyes please. It is as serious as you think it could be that is why we are using this language.
I see how serious it is, as serious as around 1934, imprisoned without trial, forced to work. I get this.
Using the term “Arbeit macht frei” in the unique style auf the front gate of Ausschwitz, a camp that just opened 1940 l, and the worst camp after all, run by criminals, literally criminals, with conviction and everything, that is simply offensive.
Of course you most likely do not know those details.
Auchwitz imagery was invoked to show how deathly serious the path we’re going down is. This is not the time to be offended by comparisons to the Holocaust - this is the time to be outraged that our stupid country learned absolutely nothing and is heading in the same direction that yours did.
Snd you and American people should be! This must be stopped.
I just explained why dome Germans, including me, find this at least tasteless. As mentioned. Perspective. And from your there is nothing wrong, and that is fine. Just don’t expect me (and I am sure neither the artist nor you to this) to applaud.
The problem is you’re saying that your discomfort at seeing Auschwitz invoked is more important than the very real suffering of the people being depicted in the comic. How bad Auschwitz was is very well known by more people than you seem to think. I guarantee the artist knew and specifically used it to make a point. There is nothing to applaud here.
I am not saying this. I just explained a perspective. What is up with you folks?
Really?
Ok, let’s be 100% clear here. I am offended. Yes. Maybe because my grand grand parents died in (grand grand dad) or afterwards due (grand grand mother) Ausschwitz. They where there as political prisoners because they didn’t share the regimes opinion.
And because this, I fully understand “your” side. I am not offended by the author or any individual.
And I can overcome this feeling, knowing your perspective.
But let’s do a little game: i share an opinion. And opinion that is not yours. And what are you doing? Dismissal and “punishment”. See any correlation? This is a risky game, that for sure must be played, with high stakes. You may feel the need for such edgy content. And you surely need provocative, over the top, content to raise awareness.
Sure, it is offending me, and the initial commentor. But nobody is prohibited to like or share this, and I have no issues with the people they do.
“It’s not me it’s all of you.”
Perhaps you need to look inward.
In none of your comments have you expressed ANY concern or acknowledgment for the victims depicted in this comic. It’s all been how offended YOU are by the use of such extreme Auschwitz imagery. You’re expressing your opinion, and I’m expressing mine - that you’re too concerned with how you feel about how the comic is making its point rather than the real-world suffering it’s representing. What happened to your family has a very real danger of happening again here, and the author is evoking that as a warning.
I am Canadian and I am educated. I do know those details quite well thank you. The dictator in the United States has 35ish felony convictions. That’s not enough for you? You think he isn’t surrounded by fellow criminals and is placing those like him in all the positions of power? Holy shit. This conversation blows my mind. A Holocaust requires so many rules. Holy fuck.
It is THE Holocaust. There can be no other. It was a genocide of the Jewish people.
And i see you don’t know anything about Ausschwitz.
Let me help out:
Rapist, murders and other career criminals where assigned there as functionaries. They made also overseers (kapos).
Prisoners who arrived there would either be send directly into the gas chamber, or shaved, tattooed with there serial number and had to work to death.
Medical, horrific, experiments where done on the inmates. Who was not longer fit to work would be executed, and this was done from the beginning on.
We are not there (yet). We are still in 1935. And Trump has to be stopped at any cost.
But in my view, these meme is edgy at least, and from my point of view far over the edge.
I have visited readings of Holocaust survivors, we had one coming to our school and telling us about what happened. And believe me, luckily there is time to stop this, before we reach the level of 1940. Not much though
The fucking rules you have for mass murdering dictators. You are fucking nutso. I am proud to say my grandfather’s died to help eliminate your Nazis. I’ll probably do the same should this get much worse than it is.
Your unyielding rules terrify me as much as Nazis, dictators and death camps do.
What damn rules? What the hell are you talking about? I just shared a perspective! I explained why some may react in a negative way to this meme.
Please, help me out here: what to you think I have “rules” for exactly?
There are is one single rule, and that is neither by me nor is it relevant for the argument. And that is the the term Holocaust is the name for the exact event that startet 1940 with the mass execution of jews. There will be no “other” or “second” Holocaust. It is a proper noun.
So comparing anything to the Holocaust must happen under this premises.
And I just pointed out, that the meme itself does this comparison, most likely inadvertently. And some Germans may react offended.
That’s all. I don’t day you should not upvote, share, or use this. I just shared a point of view.
So, again, what rules?
I hope Germans are offended.
I hope the world is offended.
Do something to prevent it.
“The government does not intend to release the prisons inmates”
Miguel Sarre, a former member of the United Nations Subcommittee for the Prevention of Torture, described CECOT as a “concrete and steel pit” used to “dispose of people without formally applying the death penalty”, citing that the government does not intend to release the prison’s inmates.*
*]Ventas, Leire (14 February 2024). “Coming Face to Face with Inmates in El Salvador’s Mega-Jail”. BBC News. Retrieved 31 January 2025.