As somebody who has actually worked in municipal government, I can tell you that these conversations are dead on arrival because police unions start refusing to police the moment it’s even uttered. It’s a trump card they don’t mind playing in the slightest and it needs to stop.
There cannot be any major changes until there are major revisions to or the total elimination of police pensions.
So how would you do that? I’m reading conflicting opinions from your comments. One comment back your entire point was that you can negotiate with police unions to end pensions (Strong disagree from me). Now it sounds like you’re saying that you cannot negotiate ending police pensions as they will soft strike and stonewall (I do agree with this, they already react this way to much softer demands). I literally thought you were a new commenter just now until I read your username.
So how exactly would you do it? How would you convince police to end their pension programs, ostensibly in exchange for greater accountability for bad behavior?
I’m saying how it historically is been and how we need to stop letting terrorists police unions dictate the terms out the gate or threaten to not do their fucking jobs. You can infer. You’re not stupid, that’s clear
It’s a difficult hostage situation that can be solved. But not if you admit defeat before even trying
Hey, don’t underestimate my stupidity! :P But from your avoidance, I do think I understand what you’re suggesting. It’s righteous, but I don’t think it’s viable. Certainly not from a civil society standpoint. Cops are often sad angry people, they often have a lot less to lose than most active and engaged community members.
I really do think that getting more judges to reject QE is a better path, less ability for cops to retaliate and far fewer institutional hurdles to surmount. No risk to existing labor rights for workers in other sectors. And there is already the precedent of several judges speaking out against QE and deciding not to adhere to it. There is also the precedent of most other common law countries not adhering to QE.
As somebody who has actually worked in municipal government, I can tell you that these conversations are dead on arrival because police unions start refusing to police the moment it’s even uttered. It’s a trump card they don’t mind playing in the slightest and it needs to stop.
There cannot be any major changes until there are major revisions to or the total elimination of police pensions.
So how would you do that? I’m reading conflicting opinions from your comments. One comment back your entire point was that you can negotiate with police unions to end pensions (Strong disagree from me). Now it sounds like you’re saying that you cannot negotiate ending police pensions as they will soft strike and stonewall (I do agree with this, they already react this way to much softer demands). I literally thought you were a new commenter just now until I read your username.
So how exactly would you do it? How would you convince police to end their pension programs, ostensibly in exchange for greater accountability for bad behavior?
I’m saying how it historically is been and how we need to stop letting
terroristspolice unions dictate the terms out the gate or threaten to not do their fucking jobs. You can infer. You’re not stupid, that’s clearIt’s a difficult hostage situation that can be solved. But not if you admit defeat before even trying
Hey, don’t underestimate my stupidity! :P But from your avoidance, I do think I understand what you’re suggesting. It’s righteous, but I don’t think it’s viable. Certainly not from a civil society standpoint. Cops are often sad angry people, they often have a lot less to lose than most active and engaged community members.
I really do think that getting more judges to reject QE is a better path, less ability for cops to retaliate and far fewer institutional hurdles to surmount. No risk to existing labor rights for workers in other sectors. And there is already the precedent of several judges speaking out against QE and deciding not to adhere to it. There is also the precedent of most other common law countries not adhering to QE.