The vast majority of Israelis say they are not troubled by reports of famine and suffering in Gaza, a new poll released by the Israel Democracy Institute shows.
The survey shows that 79 percent of Jews in Israel were not troubled, or troubled at all, whereas 86 percent of “Arab” respondents were somewhat or very troubled by the reports about the war on Gaza.
The survey was conducted between 27-31 July.
Remember when the US beat the Nazis? This is exactly like that, but instead imagine we sent the Nazis billions of dollars and weapons to enable them.
And also became Nazis ourselves.
America world police 2025 rather would rather be worrying about what’s happening across the planet than fixing their own dumpster fire.
Fix your shit and get in the back of the line, you Americans only cheapen the cause
They csn fix it but using the billions they give to israel and usr it to help americans
That would have meant voting for the black woman, and Americans won’t do that
yeah a nation of mostly Zionists would think that, wouldn’t they?
A nation of mostly fascists. Zionism is about the creation of a religious nationalist ethnostate through genocide.
It’s pure unbridled fascism, and Israelis have been indoctrinated to believe it’s okay when they do it since birth, as has a significant proportion of the Jewish diaspora. That’s why the genocide continues, and why Israel is the most dangerous threat to Jewish people since Nazism.
Not quite. Zionism is about creating a secular nationalist ethnostate through genocide, with religious dressing simply as a way to get more religious Jews on board. It’s no coincidence that early Zionist leaders were all unapologetically atheist.
I think there’s been a pretty significant divergence from the original Zionist leaders to modern day Zionism. The seeds were there, obviously, but things have deteriorated even further in the past few decades.
What meaningful divergence is there? Since the 19th century, Zionists such as Herzl were discussing means to ethnically cleanse the local populace via economic domination.
In practice, Zionists starting coming in droves armed, aiding the British in committing atrocities and suppressing Palestinian dissent and resistance. Then during the Nakba, they would straight up rape, murder, and rob the Palestinians.
Is the divergence in Zionism similar to that of Nazism, where the initial good peacenik Nazis simply wanted to peacefully relocate Europe’s Jewish population to madagascar? Are we going to act like the very pursuit of an ethnostate is not problematic in and of itself?
To be charitable I think our fellow poster meant that Zionists went from at least some modesty to a full embrace of revisionist Zionism. To further the Nazi analogy, it would be like going from Italian fascism to Nazism.
That’s not true. Zionism originates from the Jewish scriptures. Basically, Judaism talks about how Jews were promised by God, via the scriptures and the old prophets, the land of Israel as a homeland. It is the duty of Jews to resettle the holy land and establish a theological society that is based on the divine laws and systems laid out in the Torah. By doing so, Jews would achieve salvation for themselves, and eventually for the rest of the world. This global salvation will be marked by global harmony and the coming of the messiah who will guide the world in the path of God.
Virtually all Jews agree that Israel is their homeland and that they will eventually reclaim the holy land and settle it in a way that would bring salvation as they await the coming of the Messiah. Traditionally Zionism was seen as something that is out of human control and is entirely up to God’s will. Essentially Jews will go back to Israel when God wills it and people have no say in the matter, any attempt by humans to accelerate the salvation is seen as blasphemous as it’s an act of rebellion against God’s will.
That’s when modern Zionism split. Modern Zionists believe that political and secular Zionism is a tool given by God to enact his divine plan and to initiate the return of Jews back the land of Israel. Therefore following this type of Zionism is actually following God’s will and it’s the duty of religious Jews to pursue it.
Obviously, there’s a great deal of debate among Jews about which theological branch is correct, but either way, the origins of Zionism aren’t purely secular or nationalist.
Modern Zionists believe that political and secular Zionism is a tool given by God to enact his divine plan and to initiate the return of Jews back the land of Israel.
Early modern Zionists (including Herzl himself) overwhelmingly didn’t believe in God in the first place.
Obviously, there’s a great deal of debate among Jews about which theological branch is correct, but either way, the origins of Zionism aren’t purely secular or nationalist.
You should look up Theodor Herzl. Early Zionists were straight up voting on whether they’d build their Jewish state in Palestine or Uganda, and the vote was pretty narrow if I’m not mistaken. The rationale for choosing Palestine was that it’d be easier to get religious Jews (which the guys who were thinking up this stuff were absolutely not) on board. Like, do you think Ben Gurion or Golda Mier were having theological debates?
But this is separate from what I’m talking about. I’m specifically talking about the origins of the idea itself. It’s undeniably based in Jewish religious scriptures. That’s where the idea comes from even if modern Zionism evolved to be something different.
Okay this is going nowhere, so define Zionism. What do you think Zionism is?
I’m not debating what Zionism is. You made a false claim about the origins of Zionism and I corrected. That’s all there is to it
Russia gave them a completely autonomous oblast to settle and build years before that vote, but they didnt like the area. Same lattitude as northern japan. No war needed. No people to displace. self rule written into the constitution of Russia. Yiddish offiical language. But they didnt like the area so they left it empty. They could go there now and have an israel 2 if they wanted. They dont want that area because its not their biblical favorite area. All this genocidal behavior was a choice they made. They already had a “homeland”.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Autonomous_Oblast
“If I knew that it was possible to save all the children of Germany by transporting them to England, and only half by transferring them to the Land of Israel, I would choose the latter, for before us lies not only the numbers of these children but the historical reckoning of the people of Israel.” Ben-Gurion (Quoted on pp 855-56 in Shabtai Teveth’s “Ben-Gurion”).
I will never claim that all jews are bad because Israel is fucked up, nor will I ever claim that all catholics are bad because of the Spanish Inquisition or all muslims are bad because of the terrorists. It is true that not all people who follow those religions are bad.
However, one cannot deny the religious motivations. They are doing this because they believe that their sky daddy promised them that land, just like the catholics who did commit the inquisition believed their sky daddy wanted a pure catholic europe, and the racidal muslims believe their sky daddy wants to punish unvelievers/misbelievers.
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This is just ignorant. There’s only 14 million Jews in the world and 90% of them either live in the US or Israel. If there were 1.9 billion Jews like there were muslims, for example, we would start seeing a bunch of different states that act very differently from other. I think most people can agree that Iran under the Mullah regime and Afghanistan under the Taliban are evil, but at the same time, there are also islamic countries like Albania and Kazakhstan that are pretty normal. Trying to judge all Jews off the actions off of the actions of Israel, it’s like judging all muslims off of the actions of Pakistan or all Christians off of the actions of Brazil. It’s just silly.
Fun fact: You can report bigots under rule 4.
I think most people can agree that Iran under the Mullah regime and Afghanistan under the Taliban are evil,
I dunno, I dont see Iran committing genocide and ethnic cleansing.
Funny you say that because they’re actually doing both in Yemen, Iraq, Lebanon, Iran itself, and until very recently, Syria as well
Funny you say that because they’re actually doing both in Yemen, Iraq, Lebanon, Iran itself, and until very recently, Syria as well
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oh my, they are committing genocide and ethnic cleansing in 4, maybe 5 places right now!!!
Bold claims. Well you know how making bold claims works. Show us the data, if you arent just making that up from your hasbara-fevered imagination.
It’s ignorant to call out dumbasses who believe in fairy tales? Okay then, haven’t seen this sort of Zionist propaganda before
No, there’s a difference between being critical of a religion and judging an entire religious demographic on the actions of a particular state.
Nah, if you believe in mumbo jumbo you bet I’ll judge you as a less intelligent being. If you believe in some unprovable being that’s being used as a scapegoat for genocide you’re no better than the people committing said genocide
ah the old hasbara run-to. anytime you get weak, run back to pretending Israel represents all of judaism, and any criticism of what israel is doing is “antisemitic” which just means racist-- which is the most common thing in the world. But your racism always gets a pass. I get pretty tired of that nonsense. Why is universal human rights such a problem for zionists? Why do Palestinians have no rights?
Source on genocide being included in Zionism theory?
Technically it’s not explicitly about genocide, but here’s the big guy on the topic:
As to al-Khalidi concerns about the non-Jewish majority population of Palestine, Herzl replied rhetorically: “who would think of sending them away?”
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodor_Herzl
Again, this isn’t technically a genocidal idea in and of its own (though still crime against humanity stuff), but implementing it would inevitably wade pretty deep into genocide territory, as seen in the Nakba.
This seems to be a weak source.
I have found a detailed article that claims that while the historical Zionism did mention relocating non-Jewish people, killing them was only a fringe opinion among ultra-nationalist religious people. But this opinion has been spreading with every major conflict until those extremists got power in the current government and was further accelerated by the October 7 attack. https://theconversation.com/in-israel-calls-for-genocide-have-migrated-from-the-margins-to-the-mainstream-250010As I said, Herzl wasn’t explicitly calling for total extermination here, but what he was calling for could only happen via genocide. This is why the Nakba included so many bloody massacres (which, yes, those constitute a genocide).
People seem to forget that when it came to Nazi rhetoric, the Nazis initially claimed they just wanted to “move the Jews”.
There’s a reason why the concentration extermination camps were called “The Final Solution” and not “First Attempt at creating an Aryan haven!”
For anyone curious, here’s a website where you get to guess whether a quote is from a Nazi or Zionist: https://zionism.wtf/#zionist-or-nazi
https://imeu.org/article/what-leading-israelis-have-said-about-the-nakba
Herzl’s Diary, 12 June 1895
The property owners will come over to our side. According to my conception, the majority of the local population will have to be transferred elsewhere.
We shall try to spirit the penniless population across the border by procuring employment for it in the transit countries, while denying it any employment in our own country. - Herzl’s Diary, 12 June 1895
Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly - Herzl’s Diary, 12 June 1895
oh I see, zionists were going to take the land peacefully, You are claiming that was the plan? Shall I show you quotes from zionists about how they thought about that?
Not sure about peacefully, ethnic cleansing is a crime in any case, but it’s a notch down genocide. That’s why I was curious if the early theoricians mentioned something akin to it or not. So far, it seems they didn’t.
Gaza genocide denials are new holocaust denials.
not even sure if it’s denial at this point, looks like the Israelis are well aware it’s happening and don’t care.
Propaganda still works to this day
Yep. The Nazis were people just like anyone else who gained the consent of the population. We learned nothing.
a lot of the nazi civilians didnt know about the genocide. They just saw a lot of people in camps.
That’s what they claimed, but if you listen to the testimonials from the allied soldiers, they could smell the crematoriums. Many were in denial. But that wasn’t my point.
about half say they outright want to kill every palestinian. Half said no to that, but I imagine for some portion of those if a genocide happened without their explicitely supporting it, theyd be thrilled.
What horrible pieces of shit.
Yes, poll after poll has shown this. Israelis by and large are behind the genocide. They’re okay with it they approve of it and they like it. They’re not being forced to murder an entire people. They’re gleeful about it.
Dehumanization of the enemy is part of what enables genocidal actions.
Yeah, the problem isn’t just with Netanyahu or his gov. You have an entire society thats mostly corrupt.
Most of y’all weren’t bothered by the reports of all the bombing, pillaging and starvation the US caused my country, but that’s in the past right? The ancient past known as 1984 but Americans will just say “that want me”
I live with that guilt every day. I hate imperialism to no end, and I hate that I fund it with my taxes.
It wasn’t just your country!
The US is responsible for a shit ton of suffering. It is kind of our thing.
When I went to Israel last time I was genuinely surprised how many zealots there are. Most Israelis you meet outside of the country are just normal people but Israel itself is still full of mentally deranged. Religion is a hell of a drug.
If you really mean Israelis outside of Israel and not just Jewish people, that’s probably just code shifting. They know their opinions aren’t acceptable outside their bubble, so they keep quiet. It’s the same way a white supremacist will talk differently if they think any random white guy shares their views vs when an imposing minority is in the room.
My long-time ex was Jewish, can confirm. They were alright but their zionist relatives absolutely dropped some fucking bombs (proverbial, probably literal now) during family gatherings. The mildest was the tired old “part of being a good Jew is supporting Israel” ranging up to “Palestinians are subhuman and should be exterminated”. Mind, this was over twenty years ago and the situation has demonstrably escalated since.
I think it’s a little different. The Israelis who actually live or travel outside of Israel tend to usually be the educated, open minded ones. They’re usually the ones who want a two state solution and oppose wars. The whackos tend to stay in Israel. Not all Israelis are whackos, but all the Israeli whackos stay in Israel. It’s kind of like how the Americans who travel or live abroad tend to be liberal, but the MAGA types never even leave the country.
So how come there are tons of Israeli groups abroad from Israel who push zionist propaganda?
They need to renounce their bullshit faith or be ready to take in the backlash. It’s all made up (all religions), anyway, and if one can’t see that they really don’t deserve to procreate on this earth
I mean some do and some don’t. It’s the same as any other nationality. Israelis aren’t a monolith.
87% of israelis want every non jewish person expelled from the state of Israel. Thats a monolith.
It isn’t by definition…
The reason for this is that Israel has a lot of ultra orthodox Jews, and they can be pinpointed as THE source of the insanity inside the country. They don’t contribute economically, they’re always calling for wars and violence but they refuse to participate in the military, they throw tantrums when anything doesn’t go their way, and they’re always trying to coerce society to be more religiously extreme.
Yeah it’s so disappointing to see a culture being held hostage by extremists. It’s almost like west Asia can never fucking escape these zealots ruining it for everybody.
As someone wirh west Asian roots I wonder how incredible the region would be without religion.
Never go back there
Israel is a extremely racist nation and Palestinians are just “human animals” and even “vermin” to most Israelis.
Dehumanisation succesful.
They’ve been conditioned over the decades to consider them to be subhuman. I’m not saying that they are innocent, just that this is what they believe. Their propaganda is so effective that they no longer feel remorse for killing them as they see them as savages or monsters. In fact, they see themselves as the heroes of the story. And with every western country backing them up and giving them more weapons, what else would they think?
Rephrase the question, “Do you fear the consequences of facing trials after the war, similar to how the nazi enablers did?”
That fear depends on a real threat of someone holding them accountable and being able to bring them to trial. Which country or countries would be willing and able to do this? The Nazis were unafraid until defeat started to loom as a real prospect.
The chances of that happening are pretty much nil. Not as long as the US keeps supporting them and even if they stop supporting tjem, Israel has nukes.
The only way it could happen is if there was a push for accountability from the population of Israel but polls like this shows that’s not gonna happen either as the population supports this.
Answer: No, the Nazis did not face consequences after the war and neither will we. The Nuremburg trials were a circus and few if any were held to account.
