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    The DNC are the progressive party. They promote taxing the rich and removing money from politics.

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        It’s core policy platform, page 48 of their official manifesto and it’s been publicly stated by pretty much every DNC to reverse Citizens United. They’re also the only party to try to pass any antibribery and anticorruption laws in the last couple of decades, such was the case with HR 1 For the People Act.

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          No no. Politicans still want all that lovely money.

          The dems put forward the proposal on page 48 to say that they want transparency, because that fucks over the Republicans more than them.

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              Democrats will also fight to strengthen public financing with small-dollar matching for all federal candidates

              In addition to private contributions, they want tax money too. Additional lovey money.

              ban all private financing from federal elections.

              Hang on. What about the dollar matching. You can’t have both. Also, private financing is free to supply lovely money at all other times.

              and crack down on foreign nationals who try to influence elections.

              “Crack down” is not defined. Foreign donations to foundations like the Clinton’s are unlikely to be affected.

              We will keep super PACs wholly independent of campaigns and parties

              But they will still exist to funnel all that lovely money.

              Democrats will end “dark money” by requiring full disclosure of contributors and ban 501©(4) organizations from spending on elections.

              “Light” lovely money will still be accepted.

              Democrats will prohibit corporate PACs and lobbyists from donating to anyone they lobby.

              But corporate PACs will still be able to give the DNC lovey money.


              The DNC is not trying to reduce the money they are receiving.

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                Captain, the goalpost is running away!

                Small Dollar donations mean individuals, like when a granny gives $15 to Bernie Sanders. Since that explicitly says matching with public financing that means said matching would have an upper limit allotted to every candidate.

                It says businesses and corporations won’t be allowed to donate to campaigns or collaborate with campaigns. That leaves a loophole where they can still endorse a candidate publicly, but taking that away would be a violation of freedom of speech.

                PACs will still exist in the sense that political advocates and lobbies exist, but they would be severely gutted by not being able to fund campaigns, which is their sole purpose since the Citizens United decision was first handed down.

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                  Captain, the goalpost is running away!

                  I’m consistently defending the statement that the Democrats (and the Republicans) DO NOT want to remove money from politics.

                  They may be arguing for more transparency, but they definitely are not asking for less lovely money. increase expenditure

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                    The fact that you can see that graph and not realize the impact Citizens United court decision has, that the DNC consistently campaigned on reversing, is astonishing. It’s like seeing somebody with every piece of the puzzle fail to put it together.

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      The Some in DNC are the progressive party. TheySome promote taxing the rich and removing money from politics.

      FTFY

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        Not really, it’s the party’s core platform. If they had 60 senators it would be done. If they had even 51 we would have at least seen minor progress but instead they have 45 now and not more than 48 in over 10 years.

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          I don’t think you can earnestly say that with the chicinery that kept Bernie from tying the nomination in favor of the heir apparent in Clinton (Bernie and AOC are pulling huge crowds in trump country). They again pulled that shit with having Biden run twice when he was obviously infirmed. He only stepped aside for the young after he did that disastrous debate. Lastly, the gamesmenship the democrats pull on their own members in congress?

          The party establishment is focused on dying on the hill of placating to the rich. That is fundamentally against progress. Hence the diet fascism stance the dems take. We we have 2 right-wing parties in America.

          *Edit: FYI, capitalists love fascism. Its why the richest man ever throws Seig Heils.

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            Bernie Sanders lost the 2016 primary by 3 Million 700 Thousand individual votes, which he was invited to participate in as a 3rd party by the DNC leadership. He lost the 2020 primary to Biden by a lot fuckin more, too.

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      First of all, I’ve been an Unaffiliated Independent since I first registered to vote in 1977. I think ALL political parties should be abolished.

      The DNC has always given lip service to stuff like taxing the rich and getting money out of politics, but when they are in a position to actually do something about it, they literally don’t do ANYTHING about it. And it has been like that for the last 50 years.

      Talk is cheap, and MAGAs may be the biggest illustration of that by far, but Dems don’t have anywhere to hide, either. I’m looking for the candidate towards the left who will WALK it like they talk it.

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        The DNC haven’t had more than 48 senators in 10 years and shortly before that when they had 60, only with caucus, for about a month of congress in session they passed medicaid expansion to tens of millions of Americans. If it weren’t for the Independent Lieberman they would have passed singlepayer.

        You seem to really admire MAGAs for walking and talking unfathomable cruelty and destruction on basis of racial and theological supremacy.

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          You seem to really admire MAGAs

          Let me stop you right there. You have obviously never read any of my posts, so let me make it unequivocally clear that MAGA’s core tenets are Treason, Corruption, Pedophilia, Rape, Racism, Hate, Death, Exploitation, Ignorance, Incompetence, and Socio/Psychopathy, and anyone who supports or defends MAGA are ALL of those things.

          I do NOT admire MAGAs.

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      No. I don’t know where they find folks like you, but holy shit. Yes, the DNC is better than the RNC, by a lot. But, both of them suck the dick of the corporate douchebag. The RNC just has little pompoms with “removed” printed on them and likes to wear makeup when big daddy richie blows a load in their face, while the Democrats pretend to wince.

      They both suck. Republicans just need to end first.

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        I know exactly where they get uninformed assholes like you with no knowledge of legislation or vote histories.

        Corporate oligarchies have been reshaping the media we consume with a scalpel to keep you this way.

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          YEAH! SO VOTE DNC Because something something corporate…oh shit they just took another donation from Tesla…something something regulation…something something “we need to mend fences”.

          Anyway, do you laugh when you go fuck yourself, clown?

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            You’re unironically going to sit there and say don’t vote DNC in 2026? You think everything happening in the federal government is good and fine and totally normal?

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              I didn’t say that. Some mod censored me so I can’t quote directly, but I’m pretty sure I basically just said the DNC sucks corporate dick too. The RNC is worse, so we have no choice BUT to vote DNC. But the DNC is horrible and we deserve better.

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                The comment is still up on my instance, this is what you said

                YEAH! SO VOTE DNC Because something something corporate…oh shit they just took another donation from Tesla…something something regulation…something something “we need to mend fences”.

                Anyway, do you laugh when you go fuck yourself, clown?

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                  Oh that’s even better. The mods here censored that?! I thought I had said much worse. Anyway, I didn’t say not to vote DNC…

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                    You were clearly sarcastic by saying “vote for dnc because” followed by a claim that they were bought and paid for by corporate and Tesla, so you did say not to vote for the DNC.

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              These people live in memes. They don’t have a clue what’s happening in the real world imo.

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                I think it’s a bit worse than that. While I think at least a few people are actually ignorant, I think there is a well funded and organized campaign to keep the DNC out of power, I think some of it is from within the USA but a lot of it is from Russia and China.

                There are Psyops on Lemmy.

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                  Maybe but I doubt it. The user base is so small. The sophistry from the echo chambers seems to propagate itself really well. I don’t know. There’s something bizarre about the same comment being repeated day in / out. I’ve been on Lemmy for a few years and it’s like nothing has changed

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          They enemy of your enemy isn’t always your friend. Criticising the Democrats doesn’t necessarily mean supporting the GOP.

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            You have to support your side if you want people to vote for them. Trump won because almost 9 million less people voted for Harris 2024 than Biden 2020. 8 million people were dissuaded by comments like “dnc is diet fascism.”

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              You have to support your side if you want people to vote for them.

              You have to silence critics if you want your party to continue supporting genocide, which you do.

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                Nobody gives a shit about the endless holy land war. It sucks that people are dying, but they have basically always been dying because everyone thinks their stupid Sky Daddy Book is the best.

                Killing the US over this stupid bull shit is honestly, worse than killing it over the GOP’s shitty policies.

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                  It’s a genocide, no matter how frequently netanyahu’s simps keep trying to downplay it as a war.

                  And centrist democrats care about it a great deal. They were so devoted to it that they were willing to lose to trump instead of telling netanyahu no.

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          are you a child?

          You have a child’s understanding of politics. And a child’s temperament… and a child’s “meme” response. You are a child.

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        See my example said nothing about their names but instead their actions, your example does the exact opposite.

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      They promote taxing the rich and removing money from politics.

      And then do none of that and support genocide instead.

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      The Dems are the conservatives, they want the status quo with maybe some mild reforms.

      The Republicans apparently are the radicals, they want to change society (in a direction that I think is completely stupid, but still)

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      If they truly wanted money out of politics then they’d stop begging people for donations every single election cycle.

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          No? It’s hypocritical for Dems to demand voters give them money while telling people they want money out of politics. Personally I’d make it so politicians are paid the minimum wage of the state they represent and aren’t allowed to take bribes, donations, gifts from corporations or CEOs, and election funds are a pooled resource where everyone running for any party, big or small, has access to the same amount. Anyone found getting extra funds is immediately kicked out and banned from holding any level of government office, including even being a town mayor.

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            Well I have some great news because the DNC also want to reform election finances to remove private funding. You should vote for the DNC.

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              When the DNC stops supporting Israel completely, starts taking up actual progressive leftist stances like defunding the police, and stops doing the BS bipartisanship crap then sure. Until then I’ll vote third party for groups like PSL who I do volunteer work with. The closest political party that aligns with my ideal version of leadership.

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                The DNC at least recognize Gaza’s right to live, by allowing Trump in office the official stance became death or exodus according to Pete Hegseth.

                If you care about Palestinian life or suffering at all then you need to promote the DNC.

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                  How can you say they support Gaza’s right to live when they had 0 problems with what Mamdani was doing and refused to even acknowledge the genocide? They wouldn’t even join the UN in acknowledging it or arresting the fucker.

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            No? It’s hypocritical for Dems to demand voters give them money while telling people they want money out of politics

            No? If we take them at their word, they want it so they can propagandize enough to be put in a position to ban it, pulling the ladder up from behind them