This is a likely scenario in the second round according to polls.

The election is in 10 days.

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      Welp, once again, it seems it’s a bit biased.

      Dati is very much right leaning, and very much under investogation too.
      Her lawyer made a website shutdown that was listing all her cases.

      Chikirou is trully such a strange choice. Even tho LFI IS left leaning (far from being tankies tho), Chikirou is… An anomaly ? She has been caught doing homophobe comments, and lately, has made a very strange comment about people not wanting to work 50 hours a week…

      I’m not Parisian myself, and if I were to vote acording to my values, the party that would represent it better would be LFI (but not Chijirou, so tough choice), but the “best scenario” would be for Gregoire to be elected.

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        Even tho LFI IS left leaning (far from being tankies tho),

        In 2022, Finland 🇫🇮 and Sweden 🇸🇪, requested to join NATO due to threats from Russia.

        It required a vote in the French Parliament.

        Every political party voted “Yes”. Except two:

        🔴 Rassemblement National: Abstention.

        🔴 LFI: Against.

        https://datan.fr/votes/legislature-16/vote_184

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          After all these things that are happening, if you still consider that anyone becoming a military slave to USA is a good idea… I don’t know what to tell you.

          Those countries are already EU countries. Russia will not dare to touch them. And if they do, then being in or out of NATO would become the smallest of our problems at that point.

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            A EU real defence policy would be better, but countries under immediate threats (3–4 years away) curiously lack that patience.

            So until we have a real credible alternative to NATO, this is the only alliance available! NATO is not just about promises of mutual help. It includes military cooperation, joined exercises, etc. so that if shit hits the fan, allied military are ready to fight together in an integrated framework.

            And that does not prevent NATO members from purchasing non-US equipment, which is what the EU has put up as a policy. France is actually a very good proof of that.

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        Huh, either I’m completely blind or then op edited the picture 15 minutes ago.

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        A website was put up to track all the cases in which sehe’s investigated, because yes, we needed that!

        https://wikidati.fr/

        She’s investigated for corruption (several different and independent cases), using public money to pay her personal lawyer, she abuses procedures to shut up journalists (that one is now legal but doesn’t make you a less shitty person) and others.

        Oh, and she faked her resume to get in a prestigious university-like institution.

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    I thought i’d heard the local arrodissement populace had a lot of say over what happens in their neighborhood?

    That was given as a reason Paris could reduce cars much faster than many cities , as Paris seems less dominated by the median suburban voter.

    It’s shite if that 's not true. Paris seems so chill these days; at least in contrast to 20 years ago.

    So what exactly are these elections for? Can they really go to an arondissement and remove all the pro-pedestrian stuff? Is that in their power - if the residents don’t want it.

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      I’m far from an expert on current Parisian politics, but I can confirm that the mayor of Paris doesn’t preside over a lot of suburban area. Not sure for the power of the mayors of the individual arrondissements.

      map of Paris and surroundings

      The (populated) area inside the red line is basically all high density so the people actually doing the voting should be rather in favour of fewer cars and better transit. The surrounding suburbs — where there are more carbrains — are different administrative units so they don’t really have a say in how central Paris is run.

      In many areas (e.g. Toronto), these suburbs also vote for the mayor and tend to block progress. I think this is also part of how Paris can make rapid progress— the voters actually live in the city proper.

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      Montreal’s arrodissement system/controls also greatly benefited it’s cycling growth.

      Though the suburbs that are part of la ville de Montréal are gerenally less cars brained than suburbs that are not part of la vdm. So that is probably a big factor. That said, the biggest suburbs (and the ones directly north and south of la vdm) are putting big effort into their active and public transit; so maybe not.

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      AFAIK the arrondissement councils don’t have much power. The reason usually given why Paris was able to reduce cars much faster is that there aren’t really any suburbs in Paris, they’re all outside and therefore have no vote. And Paris voted for a mayor with the political will to actually kick out the cars. I’m not up to date on why they’re now shifting towards the right, might just be the general trend in the world.

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    This poll comissioned by Le Parisien and Sud Radio, might be a little tiny bit biased in favor of Dati. I very highly doubt that a 3rd of Parisiens when to vote for her.

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    Ah fuck off with your LFI slander, standing by social liberals will do nothing but perpetuate the system as it exists

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        Wow I joined a community that wasn’t actively hostile to my morals and beliefs, how astute of you to notice

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          I’m sure Nazis thought they had morals too, dear. Same with the Russian soldiers. Plenty of American soldiers think that too.

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          This is how the Right wins, by doing absolutely nothing while the Left is busy calling each other “tankies”.

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    And the leading candidate int that survey is not only pro car but also a thoroughly corrupt populist as well. Let’s hope the survey bias did a lot of heavy lifting there. How do other surveys look like?

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      being pro-China should be the default position.

      You can absolutely be pro-public transit without also endorsing or excusing all the other shit one particular country does, just because you happen to agree on one point. China is more than its railway.

      Also, I’m pretty sure “normie” is just as much of a derogatory epithet as “tankie”, and neither is particularly bad. Certainly not bad enough to rise to the level of a slur.

      (Whether she actually is a tankie isn’t mine to judge. Endorsing their politics is an indicator, but I don’t know enough about this specific case.)

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          The N-word is related to colour, I dont get it why that matters whether something is a slur or not.

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          I could make up a slur to refer to liberals such as “dronies” referring to drone strikes by the Obama administration they support, or “bombies” for supporting Europe when it bombed Iraq and Libya and Yugoslavia.

          Actually, I think that’s a good idea. Call out people that blindly endorse violence or support a given government uncritically. I’d still rather have a bombie government that bombs the middle east than a nazi one that does so too, but worse, and also actively tries to remove any potential for resistance from their own people, but saying “A bombie isn’t as bad as a nazi” at least carries the subtext “(but still bad)”.

          (Obviously, not bombing would be best. Imperialism is a despicable policy.)

          It also kinda sidesteps the ambiguous definitions and interpretations of liberal philosophy. For instance, I’d consider imperialism to be decidedly illiberal, given its disregard for the consent of the governed, but that obviously isn’t a universal understanding. I’d rather not get into that here, so let’s just agree to call bombing-apologists bombies.

          Bringing up China in the context of public transit should be regarded well.

          The post brings it up in the context of a particular candidate’s opinions on China’s mode of government and civil liberties. If it specifically pointed out “China’s public transport is…”, I’d agree with you. But just because this aspect is nice, that doesn’t mean China as a whole should necessarily be regarded well.

          (Again, I just want to point out the logic arising from the premise that the candidate does defend China; whether that premise is true is beyond me, and whether the claim is true is not something I’ll argue about here. Trying to have a chill, civil Sunday and all.)

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              but if you want to discuss how democratic China is in comparison to Europe

              Pretty sure I explicitly said I don’t, but thank you for offering your argument anyway. Have a nice evening.

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      Are you claiming tankie is a slur?? Seems real insensitive towards actually marginalized people

      You can admire their public transport without supporting the government, what are you on about? “Since I’m anti-car I have to support the persecution of Uyghurs”

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          It’s a useful shorthand, not a slur. +1 for calling libs “dronies” though, that’s hilarious

          Again, you can admire their public transport without supporting the government, what are you on about? Why are you trying to link 2 unrelated things even harder now?

          Interesting info in that article though. According to it, they’ve transitioned from putting uyghur in camps to putting them in prisons which doesn’t seem better to me

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          Left-punching slur? What are you talking about.

          You can have leftist ideas without being a tankie.

          Do you know what tankie means?

          Edit: oh, you’re a tankie (cf. Uygur genocide denial). No wonder you aren’t smart enough to tell the difference.

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          Why would it be impossible for someone from LFI to be a tankie?

          She expressed opinions that tankies express. What else do you need to label them a tankie?

          She’s homophobic and racist.