Senator Chris Murphy says he has been briefed on the US’s plan to restart the war on Iran, calling it “insane” and saying it would lead to a “devastating escalation”.
“You’ve heard a preview that it would be a short-duration plan. I’ll just say this: their plan is insane,” Murphy said, speaking at an event organised by the Middle East Institute in Washington, DC, on Wednesday.
“It will lead to devastating escalation and the likely destruction of our commitment to the rule of law.”
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“There’s been open reporting as to what we may be planning and the civilian infrastructure we may be targeting,” Murphy said.
"They’ve been asked by the president to develop a plan - whether they believe it will work or not, I do not know. But the plan that they have developed will lead, in my view, to a prolongment and an escalation of this war that will be devastating for our security interests.
“We are seeing the president ready another devastating military campaign after the election, just as illegal as the first iteration was at the time, where Americans are fed up with this war.”
“Whatever - I’m going to do it anyway.”
- Donald Jeffreyepsteinsbestcustomer Trump, probably
The irony of his statements about the destruction of the rule of law while referring to an illegal war that Congress, for which he is a member of, never approved.
They will say it’s insane. And bad. And worrying. But they won’t do a thing about it.
Tactical nuke
This is a pretty good guess. Trump seems to really want to use nukes, just in general. I’m not sure he even cares why.
They want to be on record as having been against this without actually having to oppose it so that when Nuremberg 2 rolls around they escape the gallows.
Controlled opposition. Not all of them, but enough, particularly at the national level. The 2021-2023 majority wasn’t enough. The 2009-2011 super majority somehow wasn’t enough. Establishment-aligned candidates run on milquetoast platforms addressing only a handful of token issues, and often just to roll policy back to much how it was prior to Republican lawmaking. Not the real, sweeping change clearly needed - because that would harm the financial interests of their primary donors.
FWIW, I’m not an American. This is just what I saw whilst living there and what we see in the news. Constantly.
Since criticizing the wrong team is often met with the bizarre assumption one is a Russian troll encouraging Americans not to vote: go vote for the best candidate, but remember that political engagement shouldn’t begin and end at the ballot box. The US needs far more than whinging online.
Obama enjoyed a majority for about 6 months until jim crow 2.0 electorate maps Gerry rigged far right types into office. I don’t know what majority you are talking about during 2021-2023. Yeah we have corporate democrats but we also have very clear opposition on the left. Controlled opposition is defeatist conspiracy theory half baked in truths. We can do better.
Controlled opposition is defeatist conspiracy theory half baked in truths.
Next time you’re wondering why Dems aren’t doing more about some problem, I want you to remember what they did to Bernie Sanders and how they react to people like Mamdani. Dems are somehow fucking worthless in the face of fascism, but if a progressive starts winning votes, suddenly, they know how fight.
people not voting because they didn’t get their candidate is what hurt more than how corporate dems pushed him to the side. Its the same for what happened to Harris who was corporate , Hilary was corporate just not crazy corrupt and backed by the heritage society and tech bros.
people not voting because they didn’t get their candidate is what hurt more than how corporate dems pushed him to the side.
Sure, but I’m talking about the politicians, as that’s what the controlled opposition theory is about. Democrat voters may want progressive policies, but Democrat politicians find ways to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory when they “push” for those things time and time again. The politician’s goal is allegedly not to represent the left, but to spoil their efforts and prevent us as a country being dragged to the left. Hillary and Kamala were both pushed into the lead with no regard for the will of the voters, albeit through different means in each case, and they both help shut out more progressive wings of the party so they couldn’t get genuine power.
because they didn’t get their candidate
On the one hand, you’re not exactly wrong. We got fucking Trump out of that, and it’s still haunting us a decade later. On the other hand, I don’t think it’s entirely fair to treat them like petulant children for being upset when the democratic process is so flagrantly manipulated in front of their face to rob them of their democratic power, just because the means used to do so were technically legal. I still think Bernie would have won the primary if the DNC hadn’t sabotaged him, and just fucking imagine the world we’d be living in if we got just 4 years of Bernie instead of god damned Trump. That was the will of the voters. And the DNC stole that from us to shove a corporate Democrat down our throats, enabling Trump’s rise.
Insane? So you’re saying it’s approved and ready to go?
Who needs to approve? This is a dictatorship.
If the insanity includes a boots on the ground invasion, every single MAGA fucknut should be told they will “be protecting the 2nd Amendment from the evil Iranians” and volunteer for 11B. That alone should motivate the idiots. However, I highly doubt it, because the US military does not indicate massive troop and equipment movements with positions along the Iranian border.
They’ll run the draft by Zip code. That way it will be a war of the poor and the not-white, just like Vietnam.
Tactical nuke that AI suggests unfortunately
Well, of course the plan is insane. It’s Trumps’ plan, afterall.
It’s a concept of a plan, he will release it in 2 weeks.
another distraction just for the midterms and epstein files.
But a distraction with real world consequences
Didn’t you read even the blurb? The plan is to start after the midterms.
Ok. Alright. We are gonna - we’re gonna go out there during this break and we are gonna come back with a plan. We’re gonna come back with a plan for you. It’s a 45 day plan. 45 days to get us back on track. 45 points. It’s a 45 day/45 point. One point per day. We get the 45 points we are back in business. And you can take that to the bank. And Limo Lady, we are going completely carbon neutral. I love you, New York! You. You.
Where is the off button on this moron?
Nihilist death cults gonna nihilist death cult.
Don’t give nihilism a bad name - this is, if anything, a Christian death cult.
Lol. Like anyone still believes they are operating within the rule of law.
I was like they are using fighter jets to blow up fishing boats… there is no commitment to the rule of law
No. No one believes they are. It’s that no one has the balls to do anything about it. We have been abandoned. There is no calvary coming to our rescue.
If only there was a body of people with the power to stop the madman.
If only approximately half of that body didn’t support this fascist bullshit, though.
If you include non-voters, it’s really only a third of the country that supports it. And if you include ineligible voters, it’s closer to a fifth.
Fascism isn’t popular. Don’t give them power by repeating their lies that it is.
Fascism doesn’t have to be popular. All they need is a plurality of Americans to be so obsessed with the job, the commute, TV, and their social media rating, they just don’t care.
If you include non-voters it’s more than a third of the country supporting it. If you don’t vote against it you are giving it tacit support.
That’s true in the aspect of those non-voters can’t deny their culpability in what they refused to vote against.
However it does not hold so far as to assert that this administration has their assent. Two-thirds support would literally be a mandate from the people; don’t let them believe their delusion that they have one.
The other half didn’t convict the pedophile rapist when they had the chance as well…
The government is completely morally bankrupt except for some senators, but even their actions seem performative.
It’s roughly 1/3 that are that way, but when you also have a 1/3 that are liberals who hate Trump but would never condone violence.
So I assume this either means they’re planning a boots on the ground campaign in Iran or using nukes.
I also assume the reason they fired the planning guy from Pentagon a few days ago is because he wouldn’t plan this for them?
Does anyone remember what the goal of this war was even supposed to be? Like what were they trying to accomplish in the first place? What is this planned escalation supposed to accomplish that the first one didn’t?
I know the real answer. Bibi said to, epstein honeypot, distraction from the files, hegseth needed to feel tough, etc…
I mean what are they pretending the reason for this war is?
There is no pretend reason that’s larger than the current vibe when the Mr President goes before a microphone.
We don’t have the resources for a ground invasion. And nukes are extremely unlikely.
What is more likely, and what the senator appears to be referring to, is bombing campaign aimed at destroying the vital civilian infrastructure of the country. Think power plants, bridges, ports, water treatment facilities, etc.
They were already targeting those…
There are still many left
Oh god. Iran has some of the oldest heritage sites in the world. Early Zarathustrian fire temples and stuff like that.
I know modern infrastructure is important too; bridges, hospitals, universities, bazaars, etc., not to mention the human lives themselves. But when something is thousands of years old it’s worth preserving in its own right. It’s always a shame when monuments are destroyed.
Hopefully someone manages to stop this “insane plan” before it causes more destruction…
I wouldn’t put it past these extremists to go full Taliban on those sites.
From what they’ve talked about before and from what this article says, they’re talking about bombing civilian infrastructure like bridges, power generation. One assumes not hospitals, but if a couple slip in there, I’m sure it’ll be “accidental”.
Well if there is a wedding being held at a hospital, or there is a childrens ward, that obviously changes the situation.
Ah, so the Russian method.
I used to think we were above such things. And I think that generally speaking we did try, although not very hard. Civilian casualties in Iraq/Afghanistan, for example. I’m pretty sure we generally didn’t go out doing much of that on purpose, although I know we sure didn’t try hard to avoid it.
Russia is a step beyond, for now, as they actively target civilians. Whereas, for example, I think the school bombing we did was stupidity/ineptitude.
And even now, I don’t think we’re going to target civilian housing or hospitals or schools purposefully, but we’re getting a step close if we do target civilian infrastructure.
But when you get down to this level of detail in the “not as bad as” discussion… it’s getting pretty bad.
Russia is a step beyond, for now, as they actively target civilians. Whereas, for example, I think the school bombing we did was stupidity/ineptitude.
Targeting civilian infrastructure is targeting civilians. Bridges have people crossing them, power plants have civilian workers.
Yes.
But if you can’t consider a difference between targeting a bridge and targeting a school of children, then you’re rather missed my point.
Whatever they’re planning will be a disaster. Iran is a fortress.
We have a dozen or so MOABs left. I would not put it past this whack job president to use those on civilian infrastructure.
Wouldn’tcouldn’t
The only way this war can even end is when the US side of who is handling the war is just dead and replaced. Israel too.
What’s the over/under that said plans include nukes
I’d say pretty high. Polymarket had to shut down for a while. 😂
