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Personally, it kinda feels like a weight’s been lifted. Now I can let go of the last shred of pretense of this country being anything other than a fat fucking joke.
I was born just before Reagan was elected. Growing up, I got the mostly mistaken impression that America had some of its shit sorted from Vietnam, WWII, and all that 20th century turmoil. A period of stability. Upward trending society. Reagan undid a lot of that progress.
I’ve been watching this country die, slowly, for 45 years. This has been such a weird time to be alive. Fighting over scraps we volunteered to subsist on instead of overthrowing corrupt and cruel systems. We had periods we thought we were recovering. We had hope. I feel today like there isn’t any left. Another four years of this, and it will be worse.
He struck a fatal blow. He used the tools of fear and rhetoric to do it. The weakness was there, the vulnerability. And here is the next evolution of American fear. We’re a country voluntarily destroying itself out of fear of our imminent destruction. We had everything, and we gave it away.
We heard the call of the void, and we’ve answered.
I don’t wanna hear any more moralizing and complaining from young leftists who can’t even be bothered to perform their civic duty and vote. Shut the fuck up. What happens to Gaza in 2025 is on you, not Harris or the Democrats. And when you removed about the genocide, remember that you facilitated it. You gave up your duty and gave Netanyahu exactly what he wanted, a clear path.
We are so fucked. The repercussions of this election are going to effect everything from SCOTUS to county courts. This is so utterly disgusting. People looked at the shit spewing from his mouth and said, “Yes, represent me.”
Fuck this country.
Just with a bit of estimation of the remaining 12% of votes uncounted, Trump is going to beat his 2020 vote record by a couple million, 81 million on the high end and maybe closer to 77 million on the low end. Unlikely, but possible he beats the 2020 all time record set by Biden. Definitely beats his 2020 numbers.
Kamala recently pulled ahead of Hillary’s 65 million and Obama’s 66 million, she’s gonna end up around 71-74 million.
Kamala lost the Popular Vote. In fact she won some blue states by smaller margins then she lost some ‘swing’ states. Nevada might not even be tight enough to qualify as a swing state this election(needs to be 5% or less, Trump’s currently winning by 5.2% meaning it wasn’t a swing state), meanwhile Minnesota was won by 3, New Jersey by 4, New Hampshire by 4 and a half, and Maine might be lost we’ll see, but those 4 were all swing states as the margin was less than 5%. New Mexico and Virginia came very close(and New Mexico would have been under 5 without RFK Jr dragging Trump down a point).
This also suggests the Electoral College no longer favors Republicans, and is somewhere between neutral and actually favoring Democrats again. 2028 a tight election with a Democrat win could see them lose the PV and win the EC.
I had a ton of 2004 vibes from the start and it looks like that was correct. He is coming back to serve a second term, and YES, this time he won the national electiiion
So, I always thought it was just a mean bully thing to say, but, as a group, Americans really are dumber than a bag of rocks.
I’m trans and I’m terrified, terrified for my queer friends and family, terrified for Ukraine and Palestine, and terrified for the planet.
If you didn’t vote or voted for this piece of shit, fuck you. If you voted for him, you deserve the massive inflation and shit he’s about to put you through.
Exit polls show 12% of lgbtq voters voted for Trump. 12% of lgbtq voters voted to be jailed, castrated, and discriminated against by their country. That is not only terrifying but also embarrassing.
Harris got 15 mill less than biden. Trump got same number of votes basically.
They just slept
The Democrat vote is ALWAYS 15 million below Biden’s RECORD popular vote number! Trump got HUGE numbers for a Republican. Do your homework, and stop trying to create a narrative using COVID numbers.
They just slept
Look at this snoozer. Absolutely sleepymaxxing. A bedtimepilled pillowcel. Got a blanket under his head just lost in the sleepy sauce.
America made it clear that they will not vote for a woman. Especially a woman of color. Fuck America
I suspected if she lost it was because she was a woman. Others are saying it was all Gaza and they didn’t vote in protest. A commentor replied to me showing the margins are like 10s of thousands in one state.
She seem way better than Hillary too. Hillary reminded me of my grandma but in all the bad ways.
Guess Trump may nuke the whales. Tried to nuke a hurricane.
Anyone who didn’t vote in protest needs to shut the fuck up now. I don’t wanna hear another damn word out of them regarding Gaza, or moralizing to the world. They will now get to see Gaza be dismantled.
They really stuck it to the Democratic party, hope they’re fucking happy that their solution to the Gaza situation is to accelerate wiping Palestinians from existence. Blood is on their hands now more than anyone that did the bare minimum to keep democracy alive.
The genocide will continue until moral improves.
Nobody learned the lesson from 2016. We can’t stick it to the dems until the GOP goes away.
I bet the dems are high fiving each other right now from all the donations they are going to get.
We can’t change how people work, adopting republican policies and compromising your democratic policies decreases turnout with the base.
We can only tell the democratic politicians to do what they need to do to win, which isn’t triangulating yourself 2 inches to the left of the republican to try to chase “moderate republicans” who prefer diet fascism to the real thing.
I bet the dems are high fiving each other right now from all the donations they are going to get.
HHsssss…aaay!
No, wrong; you still dont get it, do you?
Democracy is done in the USA
Either that, or that America will not vote for the status quo again.
Trump is the status quo as well so apparently they will
He really, really isn’t.
No he really is. What is more status quo than a rich white guy as president with conservative values?
Trump is campaigning on making massive changes to American domestic and foreign policy. I don’t like the changes he’s pursuing, but he is absolutely not running on the status quo. And that is, in fact, exactly what won him the race.
If he was just running on the status quo, he wouldn’t be a threat to democracy. Deporting 20 million people isn’t the status quo. Repealing civil rights isn’t status quo. Attacking or ending NATO isn’t status quo. Abandoning Ukraine isn’t status quo. Befriending Russia isn’t status quo.
Yes, Trump is a conservative white guy. But type of thinking, focusing on identity groups and demographics, is what has got us here. Kamala herself is a historically novel nominee, she was new in terms of personal identity. But she wasn’t actually offering anything other than the same milquetoast centrism of Biden.
This is the problem. People are hurting. Trump actually had something to offer these people. He said, “elect me, I’ll throw out all the immigrants, and by doing so I’ll lower the cost of housing and increase wages!” It’s a horrible, evil, and long-term unproductive solution, but he was actually offering SOMETHING. Democrats offered no meaningful answers to the things people are actually hurting on. The only thing Democrats offered were wonky dismissals of economic concerns by citing official inflation numbers and calculated real wage gains. (Ignoring figures like ratio of median housing cost to median wage.)
People are in pain right now. People are on the edge, driven to the brink by late-stage capitalism. Biden was a milquetoast centrist, but he was able to barely eek out a win by running on a lot of progressive promises in 2020. He walked away from a lot of those commitments and governed as the centrist he is. Harris offered just more of the same. Neither offered real meaningful solutions and proved completely incapable of handling the crises at hand.
Trump again, he actually offered solutions, or at least something that seems like a solution. Like it or not, he WAS the change candidate of 2020. And that is what won him the election.
Well seems like he won twice on going back to the 1950s status quo.
That is NOT the status quo. You’re talking about someone promising to make utterly massive changes to US foreign and domestic policy. People are hurting for change, and if they can’t find that change on the left, they’ll find it on the right.
I’m straight and white, and I am also terrified for my queer friends and family. I figured Israel was always a lost cause but Ukraine is going to be so fucking stupid and painful when they get starved after we offered support.
If you didn’t vote or voted for this piece of shit, FUCK YOU
Ukraine was always friendly with the Trump crowd, I think. So is Putin, but this is not as clear cut. Palestine is fucked, but it already was. Vance even said something along not interfering between Israel and Iran, so it’s about equally fucked, maybe even less fucked.
We live in a world with skewed media picture of what’s happening, and the distortion by Trump people and the distortion by DNC people do not cancel each other out. In some ways they work in the same direction.
Only the biggest and rawest facts should really be used in the comparison. What both have actually done in full. Not what they promise, not project 2025, just the real things. Weapons, money, territory, and not a token amount with some promise, but all. Same way you pay for groceries. Politicians are like shoplifters.
“Ukraine was always friendly with the Trump crowd, I think.”
Timmy, what the everloving fuck are you smoking?
Well, the previous govt was pretty shitty leftovers from the Soviet era. Zelenskyy has turned out to not only talk the talk for a tv show but walk the walk and actually lead the country. He knows how fucked this is and is trying to do damage control in hope of keeping the ammo coming. Like most things conservative every accusation is a confession, when Putin talked about de-nazifying Ukraine, they had already done so through the democratic process and put the funny guy in charge.
With the rerun of this administration though, who knows which side we’ll send aid to and there may be someone in Kyiv loyal to Moscow again. I really fucking hope not but this result will likely do more to help the orcs than our new allies.
“orcs”
Cut that shit the fuck out. Dehumanization is the weapon of the enemy. We do not use it.
Hurrrrr
Trump withheld aid to Ukraine for personal favors. Trump supporters are evil morons.
Being that I’m not transgender or American I don’t think I can personally understand everything you’re feeling right now. All I can say is be strong for yourself, and your friends and family; we all need to support each other if we are going to get through this.
And a double fuck you to anyone who voted for Trump.
You’re still going to get fucked. The whole planet is going to get fucked. The MAGAs abolishing the EPA and going full-throttle on fossil fuels is going to make sure of that.
The climate is one thing that both would fuck the world.
That’s a done deal at this point. The Democratic party would have slowed the rate of increase, but given the tipping points we’ve already crossed, we require actual massive amounts of removal of greenhouse gases, and major geo-engineering projects to try and prevent everything coming our way from climate change.
This is less of a politics post, and more of a ‘we’re so fucked, and most people aren’t aware of how fucked we are that they think what the Democratic Party wants to do for climate would actually do a damn thing’
Seriously, at this point it would require a complete overhaul of both our political system and economic system such that life would be unrecognizable to forestall gigadeaths.
If China and India both go hard on climate action, that may be enough to turn it around. Because of their geographical position, they’re both much more firmly in the line of fire. But the US being out of the game for at least the next four years definitely makes things much, much harder.
The only silver lining is that maybe the Republicans will just forget about trans people until it’s time to stoke the hate again for the next election.
But yeah, very disappointing result. The country was willing to vote in a twice impeached convicted felon (whose sentencing will be postposed indefinitely, I suspect) over a gasp! brown woman.
Not even there.
All I have to say:
What…
The…
Fuck…
My little vote was a piss in the ocean, but the DEMOCRAT PARTY had the power to run a good candidate, to fund a GREAT CAMPAIGN, but instead, they put Trump in power. It was so bad it has to be deliberate.
And they got you to blame ME for it. Your fellow citizen.
The power elites win.
PS. I voted for Kamala, but I hate this shit of you blaming individual voters, like they aren’t just trying to vote for a better life for themselves.
They can’t vote for a better life for themselves by not voting.
Surely you didn’t expect another 81+ Million democrat turnout like Biden got, did you? That will not happen again, not for a long time. It’s an outlier by a good bit. Even with the Libertarian and Green candidates it was ridiculous what happened last election, and is really only explained by Covid and people not having other things to do. Check out the link to Wikipedia popular vote numbers below, or just look at the graphic. It’s startling. You got as much as Democrats could give.
Massive Republican Turnout.
Well, provided you won’t get gas-chambered or something, there’s one good thing in this event - the electorate has shown that there’s no way DNC behaves in this arrogant “we know better and we won’t let anyone other than our bosses near power” and wins. First in 2016, second in 2024.
Then the next election might actually be the last with the existing system in your country. And this one might have been the last with the two old parties competing. I think it’s nice. Provided, again, … .
What about the party that lost the election, quite possibly by choosing to enable a genocide further, as it deemed that more important than winning the election? What about the party, that chose to ignore the devastating effects of inflation on normal Americans, instead of providing a concise plan of revamping the economy, as that would anger its billionaire donors?
Why blame the people instead of the Democratic party leaders, who remained steadfast at the side of the elites, leaving the people to be peddled to by Trump?
chose to ignore the devastating effects of inflation on normal Americans, instead of providing a concise plan of revamping the economy
Come on. The party in office when inflation came back down. Inflation rate is near normal now. Blame them for not communicating effectively or blame voters for looking at cumulative inflation over four years, rather than resulting inflation
“what about…”
I don’t doubt that the Dems had a poor campaign. However, I’m totally allowed to blame the dumbasses that voted for fascism. These dumbasses are ultimately the ones that filled the box for our authoritarian future. I’ll say it again: fuck them.
About one hundred million people declined to vote at all.
And fuck them, too. They’re just as responsible.
They are all bad. They all work together against positive change.
Well now you got what you wanted: the hero to end the genocide. Any minute now they’ll stop the war effort, for fear of further angering the fuhrer
This toxic abusive browbeating is what just handed the election to Trump.
You shouldn’t be arguing with them, considering you just lost us and election.
Yes I recognize you as one of the top Democratic vote discouragers. Thank you for that. I mean er yeah it was my fault you repeat Russian propaganda
You are why Harris lost.
Yes I was spreading the message not to vote for her like you. Thanks for your help comrade
No one said not to vote for her. But your abusive toxicity has been on display for months, years. YOU drive voters away. You making excuses for the candidates shitty positions instead of demanding better from them, left the candidate in a weak electoral position.
If I scratch your comment history, will I find you effectively defending her position on Israel? Will I find you defending her step to the right to campaign with Cheney and celebrate Republicans?
You needed to fucking listen to your betters who understand this world more than the assumptions you want to make about it
Your arrogance and hubris have damned us all.
👆 Actual bullying language.
Well i guess the 130ish Million people who voted for more genocide got what they wanted.
And we warned this would happen.
Because the pro Israel people had a safe vote with Trump. Harris trying not to take a strong stance, while further enabling the genocide tough, alienated people.
Now the silver lining is that Democrats have a chance to learn, that being against genocide is the only stance a supposedly progressive party can take. But they rather risked and chose to loose the election instead of being steadfast against genocide.
But you can already see here how people are blaming black and Arab voters. The white supremacy runs deep in both parties, so the idea that anything would have changed under Harris is laughable.
Maybe something would change under Harris. Maybe not.
But it is absolutely certain that it won’t change under Trump.
I am old enough and have gone through so many “vote for lesser of two evils” elections to be able to tell you that not voting for lesser of two evils is wrong. I myself skipped voting few times because I hated both sides. But absolutely every fucking time the worse person winning was a much, much worse outcome.
Everyone’s main enemy are billionaires. They have spent considerable resources making sure people vote for Trump.
And here we are, people whining how Harris didn’t make a promise to go after billionaires while at the same time enabling those same billionaires to do as they please, through Trump.
200 IQ move, indeed.
Not voting is absolutely the wrong move. It signals complacency.
Voting third party shows that people care enough, but aren’t willing to give power under the current policies/proposed policies. This is also why ranked choice is vastly superior to first past the post. It allows for a more coherent signaling from the people into politics.
We didn’t have the luxury of not being held hostage by FPTP, WTA, and the absence of a viable “good” choice.
Yet we still couldn’t unite against fascism.
And now it’s here, delivered right to our doorsteps, no signature required.
There’s a more than reasonable chance that any perceived “education” of the dems has become completely moot. The fascists have full control of the government. The checks and balances no longer apply. There are no brakes.
Shove the third party shit, no one gives a fuck about your favorite Russian asset Jill Stein.
“Harris could have won, if she took a clear anti-genocide stance”
“RuSSIAN ASSETTTSESETSE!!!”
Yeah what the fuck ever. You must be gleeful right now. You got exactly what you wanted
The Democrats having the chance to learn is going to be of limited use of Republicans build the fascist autocracy they intend to build.
Either you elect a party that wants to do that, or every time elect the other party that is not very democratic inside itself, despite the name. Both seem like autocracy to me.
Unfortunately they chose not to learn during the past 8 years.
They repeated most of the errors they did in 2016, while Trump just did Trump again. That is also why i say the blame lies with the party leaders. This was preventable with setting the right priorities.
What errors from 2016 exactly?
- Unsympathetic candidate from the depths of the establishment.
- Focusing on virtue signaling “how can you not want a women? And now she is asian and black too!” instead of real life improvements for the affected demographics. Especially after 8 years of Obama have shown that a black president doesn’t mean much in that regard.
- Focusing on who they are not, instead of focusing who they are.
- Not opening up for a full primary, instead pushing the establishment candidate through.
- Not addressing peoples economic concerns and offering a progressive solution for that, instead sucking up to the billionaire donors
- Having a candidate that is currently involved in a war/genocide or advocating for more of it (Hillary)
- Establishing a culture of looking down on “stupid” or “backwards” rural and rust belt voters
- Sending contradictory in or mixed messages on various issues, depending on who they address/what the latest poll said to be important
- Sending a message of a sure election in their bubbles, demotivating some of their usual voters.
- Focusing on endorsements by high profile celebrities, further giving the image of a party of elites, rather than for the normal people.
Those were the bunch that came to my mind and what i remember seeing in various election streams.
Since it’s people that voted Trump and Co. In, I’ll be blaming people.
Buckle to the top, kick to the bottom. And you wonder why the authoritarian politicians win…
Fuck off, you’re not even American.
You are only proving it further. This kind of comments sounds just like MAGA voters. And that is part of the issue. How do you want to beat them politically, if you let them influence your political culture in their way?
No. I’m tired of people on Lemmy that aren’t even American trying to tell us what to do in our own elections.
I don’t go astroturfing in posts about your countries politics. So yes, you can fuck right off.
America tells other countries how to vote or we’ll overthrow their governments. Even in the 2020s we told South American countries “Elect who we want or we’ll cut off money and send in troops.”
The world watched America out of fear of Trump winning. Rightfully so. He’s a mad man who hates anyone but himself.
I’m not going to get mad at people who affected by who runs the world police, the biggest economy, the biggest armed forceds, an unconditional UN veto, and so many more things.
Trump is bad for everyone in the world. Makes sense people are scared and wanting to chime in.
If your country wouldn’t operate multiple military bases in my country, including storing some nuclear warheads here, operating huge lobby groups that captured large parts of my countries press as well as high ranking politicians like chancellors or foreign ministers you had a point. Economically we also have a lot of American investments. Heck the possible next chancellor is an asset of Blackrock. One of the leaders of the fascist party is an asset of Goldman Sachs and neoliberal think tanks.
But as Americans are influencing the fate of my country quite extensively, i will voice my opinion about what they should and shouldn’t do. Which i think is a rather small influence compared to military, political and economic influence the US is exerting here.
Hope you’re fucking happy.
I sure am. Watching libs seethe is hilarious
I would have been happy if the Dems had stopped supporting genocide, saving tens of thousands of lifes and then winning in a landslide.
Thats what i advocated for for months. But the party would rather risk losing the election to Trump than stop sending weapons to a genocide.
So you’re happy with where we are today?
It feels like the Lion King but Scar killed Simba as well.
And all of the accounts that I’ve been tagging here for the past several months doing everything they fucking could to get Trump elected? Nowhere to be seen. What a shock.
The Supreme Court will be changed for a generation. I’ll never see a moderate court again in my lifetime. Alito and Thomas will step down and Trump will appoint 40 year old partisans to the bench. The damage he is about to inflict on our institutions the next 2 years will be irreparable.
I hate this timeline
THIS is the bad place!
Looks like Trump is going to touch us all in the bad place.
Even Jason figured this one out.
Hopefully Chidi and Eleanor will save us all soon.
I thought we escaped the worst timeline where Trump won in 2020, but it seems we never left it. This is even worse… packed SC from the start, granted complete immunity right from the get-go…
My only solace is that people endure far worse and manage to find some level of happiness. So just gotta endure and take care of each other and our own and keep searching for daylight
If there’s any silver lining a meteor might hit us and put us out of our misery before we have to worry about wet bulb temperatures
There’s a good chance for another major pandemic, and we’re passing the global warming point of no return.
For better or worse, the US was the biggest player on the planet; now that we’ve fumbled, I think the world is done for. Maybe China could have risen to take the US’s place, but they’re stumbling toward an economic catastrophe, India has their own problems, and Russia is exposed as a bit player. The EU could have been a shining beacon, but they’re struggling with their own rise in fascism. Who else is there? A South American country? They’re barely holding on to their own economies. Canada? Too small - I mean, big country, but not very big population (1/10th of the US). And the US is big enough that when we go down, we’re going to drag a lot of the planet with us. Shit, thanks to Russia and Israel, we’ve been edging into WWIII. Trump’s senile enough to press the button, I have no doubt, and he’ll be completely surrounded by moronic Yes-men this time, with no one to try to talk sense into him. Maybe a relatively quick, fiery end would be better than a painful spiral.
We’re done as a planet. Some creatures will survive, but humans have used up all the readily available low-tech surface resources - oils, coals, metals - so anything that evolves intelligence after us won’t make it past the stone age. And then, the sun will die.
At least we have more solid evidence to the answer to Fermi’s paradox. It’d be a bigger question if we weren’t rushing toward our own extinction.
I’d thought the Great Filter would be a more formidable event than a reality TV host
Oh, man. That’d be a book. Or maybe a chapter in an alternate version of Hitchhiker’s.
It always turns out to be the equivalent of a reality show host.
Count us out. Canada has our own Trump wannabe lined up. He’s been like 20-30 points ahead and we’re no where close to election time.
Ontario the biggest province stayed home and didn’t bother to vote out the conservative premiere who has been fucking shit up. They all stayed home and handed him another majority. In a year or so we will elect our analog of Trump. Make no mistake he’s stocked the party full of MAGA and Proud Boys. I’m not being dramatic. It’s literally what it is. Within 4 years Canada will be openly aligned with Trump.
Yeah, I kinda figured when the truck convoy started out there you guys had your own problems.
And it hates us ❤️
Now watch the effects ripple through the world. Now that a guy like him can be elected, politicians around the world will take note and use the same playbook. And it will probably work.
We already felt it in France with the 2016 US election, I can’t imagine what the next decade will be like…
I see everyone pointing the finger at the wrong place. We have two corrupt privately run parties. First past the Post literally puts us here. Places like Sweden won’t have this problem because they allow their politics to represent nuance rather than two corporate parties.
We’re getting it in Canada soon. Or in what’s left of Canada once fascist USA has finished with us. We have the most extreme, reactionary, hateful Conservative leader ever, who openly panders to fascists, and he’s some 20 points ahead of anyone else in the polls. My worst fear was him coming to power with Trump over the border, but that looks like what’s going to happen. I do not understand people.
As a Canadian who has watched our politics slowly try to mimic America’s, I’m terrfieid. As it is our conservative provincial premier is ripping out bike lanes on city streets that have apartments being built right now that offers significantly more bike parking than car parking. Its backwards progress, a signifcant amount of the lanes were just built and now we gotta spend more money ripping them out because some fat conservative feels offended he is too unfit to cycle.
I’m fearful for my trans family and friends. Poilievre and Trump is a terrible combination. We are going to need real grassroots political organizing to protect each other and civil disobedience in large numbers to slow the fascists in their persecution and environmental damage. Of course this will be harder than ever but we need to stop waiting for electoral politics to fix things and take action together.
We are going to need real grassroots political organizing to protect each other and civil disobedience in large numbers to slow the fascists in their persecution and environmental damage. Of course this will be harder than ever but we need to stop waiting for electoral politics to fix things and take action together.
The fact that I am not the only one thinking this is encouraging. The fact that I had to scroll this far to see such a correct comment is very discouraging and worrisome.
First it was ontario is open for business, under pierre all of Canada will be “open for business”. They would sell every ounce of Canadian fresh water to just to watch a dozen people get rich.
So as someone from Hungary, we’ve been speedrunning this shit, and the way out seems to be that you need to absolutely publicly destroy the current Democratic party, and get something, anything, that promises positive change as an alternative to fascism. I’m not saying necessarily third party, but at least an internal revolution in the DNC with the new people publicly disclaiming the current people and the status quo.
Trust me, you don’t want 15 years of Trump like we had.
Germany will follow suit and we will get a conservative hardliner (and sexist boomer) with CDU’s Merz who once voted to keep rape in a marriage legal. He will pave the way for the real fascists from the AfD, who will feel a lot more emboldened now.
I’m pretty sure it’s going to feel a lot like the 1940s.
Watch as Australia votes in a corrupt copper next year for prime minister. Making the same bullshit promises.
Qld just shit the bed with the state election, that was bad enough, federal will be a shitshow :(
Canada has one lined up too.
I swear to god if bolsonaro is elected again here I’m gonna blackout drink for the first time in a decade
America is a country full of stupid people.
This is happening all over the world. The USA are just a little further ahead compared to Europe.
That’s true, but whataboutism doesn’t help much in a thread about the US election. Besides, in hardly any other democratic country in the world is the far-right or fascist candidate so obviously completely unsuitable: Trump has already been president and has previously made policies contrary to the interests of the idiots who voted for him; he has a criminal record for fraud and has been found guilty in various proceedings for many other crimes, such as sexual harassment, defamation and fraud amounting to millions. It doesn’t get any more obvious than that.
Errr… México says hi, we elected the fascist one by a huge landslide and it’s been doing fascist things since day 1 so… Even when it’s extremely obvious, people will still pick the worst one if it has enough astrosurfing behind them.
We’re doing shit about it too, still acting as if the fascists party would listen to reason and not as their cult leader tells them to.I’m from Germany and here, too, the fascists are unfortunately on the rise again - despite our terrible past. I realize, of course, that you can’t talk sense to them because they simply ignore arguments and cling uncritically to the lies of their leaders. Nevertheless, I think the situation in the USA is somewhat different, because Trump was already president in pretty much everyone’s lifetime and has only made policy for the super-rich; he has also been convicted of fraud several times and has also enriched himself from the general public (the list goes on). You would think that those who are not die-hard fascists, of which there are probably many, would take this as an opportunity to see through his lies about a better life for the little people. But unfortunately that didn’t happen, I can’t for the life of me understand why not. I mean if you understand stupidity as the inability to learn from mistakes, it seems extremely stupid to me to vote for Trump even a second time.
You think people go around understanding and learning, trying to be better or to prevent others from suffering the same fate… but you are wrong, most humans are resentful assholes, who only care about themselves and are happy with all the astrosurfing and the chance to be assholes to others, I suffered because of X, so you have to suffer through Y while I laugh at you.
The same thing happened here in México, the puppet’s campaign was empty, just promising to keep doing what the expresident told her to… and that was enough to win, nobody cared for anything else, just the promise to bribe the lowest class and force the rest into lowering their life quality.
I’ve been saying this for a while, but they abuse that decent people try to be tolerant of them, not to make them angry or insult them, trying to be the reasonable ones… if we keep this way they are going to keep going with nobody standing up to them.
I don’t really want to accept it, but you’re probably right.
Yeah but so many people here didn’t vote for him and are just as appalled, so when we’re lumped in with the people who did vote for him that’s gonna make people pretty defensive
Yes, I get that of course. I’m sorry for you and every other US citizen that did not vote for him. I’m from Europe and still posted some anti-Trump stuff because I despise him and everything he stands for. I think he is a threat for the whole world.
It’s not whataboutism when OC was the one saying it is a US specific issue
OC said America was full of stupid people. I can’t see how that means that the US would be the only country full of stupid people. Of course there are lots and lots of stupid people elsewhere. Pointing that out in the context of the US election sure sounds like whataboutism to me. My only point is that it does not make things any better just because there are other countries with similar issues. But I see what you mean and think you are right: maybe other countries can learn something from this debacle - I don’t have much hope anymore in that regard but we will see.
But the original comment, calling us all morons, is helpful?
No, of course not. It’s just that even people from other countries are pissed because the US elected Trump a second time. Now we have to deal with his horrible policies again. I personally think the man is a threat for the whole democratic world and because of his horrible positions on climate change and other issues even for the whole world.
And you’re right about all this, but calling us all idiots specifically is not helpful. Millions of Americans are incredibly upset by this. It will be disastrous and there’s not a fucking thing we can do. We voted and it didn’t matter.
I’m sorry if you took my comment that way. I’m really the very last person who wants to lump an entire country together. My point was simply that this election has once again shown that there are significant problems in the US (education, racism, corruption, inequality, etc.) that have allowed Trump to deceive the population yet again. To relativize now by pointing out that things are just as bad or even worse elsewhere in the world only distracts from the real issue in my opinion. Nevertheless, I wish you all the best and very much hope that you can somehow put a stop to Trump’s greed and his terrible ideology.
Way further ahead. Dude literally says he wants to be a dictator.
Only on day 1 haha. Gonna be something interesting to see happen. We should get bingo cards going for day 1
You go ahead and make bingo cards, I’ll be prepping for the civil war.
Thanks for trying to make us feel better, but…
That is simply not true. The extremely varied political landscape of Europe is not comparable to the US…
Wow almost like people are getting sick of being told what to do and how to think by the woke ideology.
Did we huwt youw feewings?
No. You acted as though u had the right to tell me what to do and that i was a bad for how i was born. U judged me by the colour of my skin not the quality if my charecter, and i dont like that.
Sorry you took our opposition to colonialism and white supremacy personally. Maybe you should think about why. That’s clearly not the intention.
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Oh okay, so removed are your thing… whatever, colonialism and white supremacy were examples. You can say whatever you want, dude, and you clearly have on any number of occasions. Don’t mistake us calling you out for your bullshit for suppression of your free speech. As a self-proclaimed removed, I’m guessing you probably don’t fully understand the issues you’re talking about. I’d be more likely to call you ignorant, which is fine, because ignorance can be cured.
If that’s what you think equity looks like then I’d say any judgement of your character was likely spot on.
Whats wrong with my understanding of equallity? Please elaborate
Waste of time since your ability to read seems low. Equality ≠ equity
If you’re not a queer person of color this comment is so insanely ironic.
Why must i be a queer person of colour? Sounds like ur saying im not allowed to think or say this without being a queer person of colour. Did u just prove my point?
No you troglodyte, I’m saying you’re proving theirs.
All we can see here is the quality of your character. And guess what
Was i talking about u (as in u personaly) or u as in ur ideology and its advocates i interact with irl?
U u u ur.
Learn how to spell.
Can you define exactly what woke ideology is?
Woke ideology is a social and philosophical movement that prioritizes identity politics, cultural Marxism, and social constructivism.
It emphasises:
- The importance of group identity over individual identity
- The existence of systemic oppression and power imbalances
- The need to challenge and dismantle these systems
Basicly
- Language policing
- Cancel culture
- Moral absolutism
- Compliance and conformity
This then meads to:
- Intellectual suppression
- Censorship
- Social conformity
- Divisiveness
You can apply all of this to the Trump conservative movement, except that systemic oppression and power imbalances are treated as natural, and thus (at best) not something we need to be concerned about.
Really lets try it:
“The Trump conservative movement is a social and philosophical movement that prioritizes identity politics, cultural Marxism, and social constructivism.” - some guy on lemmy
I mean, Trump conservatism is clearly influenced and informed by post-modernist philosophy. Social constructivism is there in spades. Identity politics predate all of this and have been used by both sides extensively over time. Cultural Marxism… I’m not even sure what it is - sort of an amalgam of critical theory and (((them)))? Okay, you got me on that one.
Reads the term “Cultural Marxism”… stops reading.
And block the fucker too.
I hear what you’re saying, but… I’m no blocker.
I guess u cant see this but enjoy ur echo chamber. Its been proven echo chambers make people more extremist.
Hey it’s uh like when you grow a beard that seems like Marx would like it.
Why u gonna engage with the ideas or just sit their brooding with a disapproving look?
Imagine I was hungry and you kindly served up a platter of exotic and mysterious food but right in the middle of it there was a festering lump of rotten meat… suddenly I wouldn’t be so hungry. That’s how I feel whenever I encounter that term. There’s no great bogeyman controlling things - it’s just that humanity is slowly moving away from its obsession with invisible sky men telling everyone how to live.
Lmao did you just make that up yourself?
No i asked my uncensored ai
At least you admit you actually can’t think for yourself
Holy fuck, haha.
You are literally defining conservatives everywhere. Do you not fucking get it?
Get what?
And yeah the left and right of the political spectrum as well as the top and bottom are conjoined. Effectively the political spectrum is topologically a torus.
Somehow vague and semi specific at the same time. Just dressed up crybaby bullshit for “I can’t insult minorities with impunity anymore!”
Mkre bad faith insults really?
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One thing I have noticed is that conservatives everywhere absolutely want to tell everyone else what to do, while crying like little snowflakes about ‘wokeism’ (and none of them can answer what it is).
Projection and all that.
If u could read u would see my definition in responce to the guy who asked. I really wouldnt consider myself a conservative either but since im not with you i must be your enemy.
Just thought I’d drop this little tidbit… I tagged you a while ago “likes the R word a lot”. People are so predictable.
Predictability doesnt make me wrong.
But being a bigot sure as shit does
Welp i havnt done that.
You argued in favor of using the R word after using it. It’s not really debatable.
51% of voters at least.
Whatever helps you cope.
To be fair, isn’t everywhere? Yeah I get it we have some real morons but the uneducated fucks that voted for Trump don’t define us
Sorry, we live in a democracy and the majority rules.
What point do you think you’re making?
That we are defined by them because we are a democracy, and pretending America is somehow good doesn’t change that.
I didn’t pretend America is good. It’s quite clearly a piece of shit. I won’t humor anymore snide bullshit because my point was very self evident
Yes, and I disagree with it. The uneducated fucks who voted for Trump most certainly define us.
Coming soon to a neighborhood near you. 😭
We have lost, democracy has lost, today the American people have lost to tyranny. All the Americans can do now is collect themselves and reorganize, the next four years will be the toughest years in American history and its effects will ripple across the world.
Is there a lemmy community similar to this one that allows discussion posts? This community only allows link sharing.
