I don’t like memes like this.
It makes them look like they are too stupid to understand what they are doing.This is not the case. They know EXACTLY what they are doing and count on the rest of the country to shake their head and point fingers laughing.
Instead of stopping them.The typical FOX News watcher assumes that criminals are bad guys by character, are caught red-handed and identified by a perfect means of detection, and still dress like The Hamburglar.
So no, they do not understand that a robust due process is the right of any given suspect before they are even fined (though a one-year sentence is usually the bar for a mandated jury trial, depending on the state / county), and this is a controversy in the US because a lot of people are not afforded their full rights, or are often coerced into surrendering rights by law enforcement who is more interested in putting a warm (brown-skinned) body in jail than actually seeing justice done.
In this era, no one is asking exactly whom CECOT is supposed to be imprisoning. Here in the US, our death row inmates are treated better, and US prisons are notoriously squalid for industrialized nations. CECOT is Edgar Allen Poe caliber cruel-and-unusual incarceration for tens of thousands who are allegedly worse than the people the US would execute.
Mara Salvatrucha members don’t deserve CECOT incarceration. Tren de Aragua members don’t deserve CECOT incarceration. So who was thinking what when the CECOT facility was built?
And then we’re sending people there for life who have mere visa infractions – a grossly disproportionate sentence – and the US is skipping the hearing before a judge.
So yeah, congratulations, United States, you’ve become one of the worst offenders of human atrocity… again.
The politicians know what they’re doing.
This is directed at the voters parroting what the tv told them to
it’s okay to me because it helps with some phrasing on how to explain it. lots of fellas don’t get it. I usually tell the homeless guys I talk to due process/habeas corpus means you deserve your day in court, no matter what you done or didn’t
You should watch newer political debaters that invite average trump supports up on livestreams to argue on issues like this. A majority of them dont even understand due process.
Legislators? Sure. Constituents? Probably not.
I agree that they know exactly what they’re doing but the argument they put forward is a simple one for likes and thumbs up:
Do you want an MS13 gang member in the country?
And the answer has to be:
Are you sure they’re an MS13 member? Let’s be sure because that’s important or innocent people will suffer.
Otherwise, any political opponent is subject to deportation without examination. That means you.
Otherwise you’re just kidnapping people you don’t like
Now you’re gettin it
And “they” are fine with this.
They aren’t just fine with this; it’s their goal.
kidnapping people you don’t like
…feels like that’s the point
It is the point. And they also know that -probably- no one will stop them from doing it.
The democrats are too slow, or corrupt. Or showboating.
Or all of the above.
And the populace are too lazy and complacent.The hilarious thing for me looking from the outside is that the us has been overtaken by a failed reality TV star. Who is a convicted felon. Who is a rapist, with a record of over 20 different women accusing him of assault, then there’s also the many visits to convicted paedo Epsteins island to think about. Who also bankrupted many casinos. Who paints himself orange!!
Then there’s the decades of blatant racism. The cherry on top is the -very obvious- treasonous documents scandal…a fax machine next to boxes of stolen top secret documents? Yeah, that’s perfectly normal in this day and age…Christ on a penny farthing, if I wrote a novel about any one of these things 15 to 20 years ago I’d have been crucified. Now it’s just one person doing it all, and being cheered on.
It’s comically terrifying. And I wish some people would do something about him and his cronies.
It’s not hilarious at all. It’s fucking sad.
Habeas corpus interferes with the president’s ability to do his job is therefore habeas corpus is woke and anyone supporting it is a radical left terrorist who hates Jews.
anyone supporting it is a radical left terrorist who hates Jews, conservatives, babies, God, America, and the constitution*
FTFY
But God is the one in the screenshot…
I always heard “innocent until proven guilty” but I have not really seen it actually used in practice that much.
Yeah, I used to explain it to people by having them imagine watching someone rob a bank, and ask them if that person is guilty. They’d always say yes, and I’d explain that they’re actually not: doing the crime isn’t how someone becomes guilty, being found guilty in the court of law is how someone becomes guilty. That often got people to at least understand what the phrase “innocent until proven guilty” really meant, which I thought was enough. Turns out I should’ve also explained why that’s actually a good thing, because now they’re supporting just bypassing the court of law altogether.
Ooh, I like your example tho, how would you continue it if you were to explain why “innocent until proven guilty” is a good thing?
It’s a bit tougher, which is why I usually didn’t bother. I’d start by accusing them of robbing a bank, and when they would inevitably say they didn’t, I’d point out that my made-up testimony alone is just as verifiable as their legitimate one alone. Then I’d explain how being able to convince a jury of people - who weren’t present at the time of the crime - that a specific person is guilty is a good way to make sure there’s actually enough verifiable evidence to ensure it happened, and isn’t just a setup by someone lying to get them in trouble.
If the crime was so blatant that people obviously saw it happen, there would ideally be enough physical evidence that the crime happened, and if there isn’t, then it would still be preferable to let a criminal walk free rather than make an innocent person go to jail because they couldn’t prove they didn’t do what someone else said they did.
The tough thing is that some people have too large of an ego, and will just ignore that entire point, thinking that the people they “know” to be criminals should just be locked up because “it’s obvious,” and then we get to the situation happening now.
Relevant quote from Anathem (2008) by Neal Stephenson:
“You say of course there are criminals, but if you look at a particular person, how do you know whether or not he is a criminal? Are criminals branded? Tattooed? Locked up? Who decides who is and isn’t a criminal? Does a woman with shaved eyebrows say ‘you are a criminal’ and ring a silver bell? Or is it rather a man in a wig who strikes a block of wood with a hammer? Do you thrust the accused through a doughnut-shaped magnet? Or use a forked stick that twitches when it is brought near evil? Does an Emperor hand down the decision from his throne written in vermilion ink and sealed with black wax, or is it rather that the accused must walk barefoot across a griddle? Perhaps there is ubiquitous moving picture [technology]—what you’d call [video cameras]—that know all, but their secrets may only be unlocked by a court of eunuchs each of whom has memorized part of a long number. Or perhaps a mob shows up and throws rocks at the suspect until he’s dead.”
Only for the wealthy
Which is why anyone who fears deportation should be armed and just start blasting away at the fuckers. It’s a fight for life no matter what so better to take them with you.
It is getting dangerous even if you are a citizen.
I saw videos where people (not immigrants) were harassing ICE. They usually get high on power, so make them hate their jobs.
Isn’t this the reason why the second amendment exists? To protect from tyranny.
Yes, but apparently kidnapping “foreigners” and some citizens isn’t crossing the line yet.
…then they came for the socialists and the trade unionists and I did not speak for I was not one of them…and then they came for the Jews…
It’s how anyone should act when they see ICE, TBH.
I’m usually against any kind of violence, but your reason is hard to counter point.
Without due process, we are all illegal.
We’re already terrorists and child predators when you ask the right pundit. It’s a short step to just assuming someone is criminal by fiat and then to purging them, either to mass prisons or mass graves.
kidnappinghuman traffickingThem: you could tell they were guilty by the way they are
That’s pretty neat!
This also assumes that due process existed prior to trump, which it really did not.
Its only for white people
