They’re attempting to astroturf a Holocaust. People aren’t on board but the rich goombas are.

Opinions outside of Israel have largely shifted against it even in the US.

Not in Congress. Not on Wall Street. No where the power congeals. We’re hitting the end-stage of the War on Terror. Western states are not going to be happy until the entire Muslim world is cowed or exterminated.

People who vote for nazis/murderers are complicit. Politicians are elected, so the “constituents” do not get to wash the blood from their hands. They are just as guilty.

Yeah, the debates seems to be mostly people questioning if it is war crimes or genocide, different experts and different organizations have different conclusions, although it seems more conclusions are shifting towards genocide.

“even the US” bro they have been feeding their people milk and cheese tobacco and lies for decades because it’s how you get rich, it’s literally a country where you can be a politician, decide to give you money, there’s nothing over there that has ever represented what actual people want for 50 years, they’re having a civil class war and the rich won long ago, megacorps decide what the people want

That may be; I know nothing. But somebody just posted something like “Jews of lemmy, how is your family on Israel / Gaza?” And most said their families were all very pro Israeli government / Zionist. It sounded a lot like most were complicit.

Here it is, and it is a bit better than when I saw it first, but still…

Who said that the government represent all jews? Governments set up country policies. When we say israel of course we mean israeli governments Israel since it’s creation policies was to oppress, steal land kill and rape palestinians.

The fact that you choose tocsay this bs comment instead of those activists risk to die from israel terrorism show how tou don’t care about those people and the activists

No one implied otherwise here, and speaking of here, you’re rather preaching to the choir, don’t you think?

Indeed, while Israel is indeed a Jewish country, it does not represent all Jews, nor do all Jews agree with the way the Israeli behave. Condemning Israel is justified, hating all Jews because of Israel is not.

That is completely true and also unlikely to matter.

I was born 3 decades after the end of WWII. By that point Germany and Austria had gone through great lengths to repudiate the policies of the Nazis. They had paid massive reparations. They had issued numerous official and unofficial apologies. The monuments of the Nazis were torn down in favor of memorials for their victims. That didn’t stop other kids from calling me a Nazi as soon as they found out I spoke German. To this day people are comfortable making Nazi jokes about random Germans (see Oliver Zeidler).

Similarly, we have evidence that the vast majority of sexual assaults are committed by a small number of repeat offenders. That doesn’t stop the repeated mantra of, “Not all men but always a man.”

Many people, particularly in Asia, are offended that the Nazis turned the Swastika into a symbol of hatred. Most people are aware that the Nazis stole the symbol but you really can’t wear one without risking a fight, even if you have the little dots in it.

It doesn’t matter if they should or shouldn’t be assumed to be complicit; they will. People around the world will see the Star of David as a symbol of death and destruction for generations.

Yeah, no shit.

Then why are all the governments collectively punishing people for speaking out? I’m sure there is some astroturfing, but I know a number of people who have some weird opinions on this bcz they get their news from conservative sources.

Yeah. People misunderstand your comment’s viewpoint, but it’s accurate.

The allies have retconned their WWII history as brave defenders of modern society and freedom when in reality they did not intervene for anyone’s sake but their own. Least of all the Jews’. Tons of advocates for eugenics and phrenology along vocal fascists like Henry Ford in the US, imperialist ambitions towards non-western countries, the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact…

If you do a holocaust then you’re not one of the good guys. It’s pretty simple.