I mean, Israel is just the USA’s preferred method of conducting proxy wars in the region… Not that the Zios aren’t also happy to massacre their neighbours, of course.
I think I can finally relate. I just had a Civilisation VI game last night where I was trying to win by the domination method (I’m still pretty tame, waiting for a casus belli to start a war), but suddenly three civs got way ahead in culture, science and military, so if I still wanted to win by dominating, I had no other choice but to just surprise buttfuck all three at the same time. The aztecs had been working on the space race already.
…so yeah, I guess Israel just realised that they need to chop chop before Iran builds the Mars base.
(obvious /s, it’s disgusting how such aggressors can just get away like that)
I used to play Civ III a lot and one of my favorite strategies was to borrow a bunch of money from a neighbor and then attack and destroy him, which would of course wipe away the debt with the only consequence being that everybody else hated you. It was amusing to learn that this was actually Hitler’s strategy with his invasion of the Soviet Union (minus the “destroy him” part, of course). Part of the nonaggression treaties between Germany and the USSR was actually a massive loan to Hitler, adding to the debt that Hitler had already racked up to achieve his “economic miracle”.
I don’t know how they did it, but Israel has made America its personal removed. Everything they do, America just comes and help them wagging its tail and half of Americans will just nod and follow behind like pups.
AIPAC, it funds politicians on both sides. Our gov’t is set up like a mafia payout, and the Zionist are running the show.
I don’t know how they did it
This is one of the dangers of having a corrupt government in the modern world that is openly for sale. Conservatives might think it’s fine that money can and should influence politicians, but they’re dead quiet about the fact that the money doesn’t have to only come from American sources.
You don’t know how they did it? I thought it was obvious, Israel lobbies all of the US politicians: https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/summary?cycle=All&ind=Q05&recipdetail=S
AIPAC - that’s how.
I believe the Russians refer to it as “kompromat”
And Iran and Russia are a close second.
I wonder: would that region of the world have reached some sort of equilibrium if the rest of the world didn’t constantly fuck with them, or would it just be a different kind of shitshow?
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The area has a deep and rich history, but also a violent one. Countless of peoples have been actually genocided (as in: nothing remains of them) there several centuries before rest of the world had civilization and therefore any means of manipulating them.
European colonialism lasted roughly during years 1400-2000. A significant time, but also significantly shorter than the history of Middle East.
Why do you act like it was aliens coming from space? It was just humans doing what they’ve always done. Do you think they didnt know what war was? They had been warring for millennia with other people from Europe, Asia and Africa.
I wouldn’t think of it as somehow absolving people in the region from wanting to make this stuff happen, but without the resources and support from outside, they might be a bit more restrained by necessity/unable to inflict quite the scale of disasters.
Like how North Korea would have probably started some shit but they can’t because they don’t have anyone willing to boost their military capability to the requisite level. Meanwhile every player in the middle east has some bigger country happy to pump up their military resources while simultaneously tending to distance themselves from the result because a proxy war is safer than direct conflict.
Almost certainly the former. Same with Africa.
Almost all major conflicts and broken political situations can be traced back to colonialism and/or organized religion.
Almost all major conflicts and broken political situations can be traced back to colonialism and/or organized religion.
The world was a peaceful paradise before colonialism
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As with other regions, the wars between neighbouring(ish) countries subside with cultural & economic development - if the countries (ever) get to that point (cross several big thresholds). And we don’t even have enough data to verify if this is even actually true.
But like Europe, constant warring for millennia up until 19th century, then sure, two really big wars, but you could already see how culture & economy of the masses shifted & favoured peace over war (“even with the stinking neighbours who we are racist towards”), it became harder to entice wars and/or to convince people we need a war with a neighbour.
I feel like this sort of rule of majority (in practice) & low scarcity is the natural equilibrium where huge efforts for maintaining peace aren’t required.
(Even both WW were because of this equilibrium shifted massively into huge inequalities.)African countries (so lower industrial development & big inequalities even on small scales bcs scarcity for basics, like food & life opportunities, exaggerates those) see constant proper wars (1 on 1 skirmishes between two countries or even regions), but since mass starvation became a thing of the past, so did the fighting become less intense.
(Africa is huge tho, generalisations like this aren’t representative of actual issues.)With that I think Middle East would definitely be a much more peaceful place without massive colonialist fuckery over the centuries, or at least without Russia & USA (which covers establishing Israel). Longer lasting stable culture & increasing trade dependency & prosperity + no foreigners financing radical terrorist groups (which comparatively quickly become the dominant power by sheer asset value), yes, I think it would be a much better place & wars a lot shorter.
Now, imagine that Middle East but if the world was already off of fossil fuels for the last century (so less inequality between countries).
Maybe a great (and accessible) active cultural hub between Europe & India?I feel like without oil the middle East would be like northern Africa. No real natural resources to kickstart an economy leading to seemingly perpetual poverty.
Africa already had significant ancient civilisations before, the last century or so (when even advanced countries finally mostly ditch what we would see as poverty, like England) it was perpetually fubared by European nations, like literal atrocities we still don’t talk about.
Also Africa is very rich in resources. After all, that’s why every advanced nation with two extra cents invaded & pillaged it.
Northern African countries are among the most developed on the continent, what are you talking about?
Also Algeria had to fight a century and the last two decades of it in a genocidal war waged against it by the french colonial empire that did the same settler colonial shit Israel is doing now.
Everything improving for the better is part of that “equilibrium.” Peace and stability improves education which just makes everything better over time.
When Taliban first took over Afghanistan they had banned women from attending highschool. They later opened up “training courses” with same curricilum as highschools that women are allowed to attend.
Progress is slow, but the many economic sanctions placed on the country doesn’t help.
Overall situation is still extremely bad there but the reason Taliban got to run that country in the first place is two centuries of imperialism (The British) so more of it isn’t gonna help.
Mmm - I think for a particular definition of equilibrium, yes. That definition might be pretty horrible though. And it’s a moot point either way.
I don’t have an answer to how to handle the region, it’s beyond me. The Israel state sucks ass and it’s committing genocide.
But the Iranian state are also extremist and I don’t doubt for a millisecond would do terrible things if it had the support Israel has.
two things can be bad at the same time
But certainly three things cannot be bad.
no, that’s heresy. four thing though, that can be bad
What do you mean would? They already contribute massively to destabilising the region. They dont just attack isreal either.
And you don’t think it would be worse when an air force and nukes?
Its already maximally bad. Both sides have been doing everything in their power to destroy the other. From isreal it looked like they weren’t doing anything to Iran directly but we can see now they were setting up for this operation for the past 4 years at least. So yeah it can’t any worse unless isreal uses its nukes, Iran develops and uses a nuke or another major power joins the fray which are all very unlikely (us is already involved another major power would be russia, China, India, Pakistan)
I think this can lead to a good outcome. If Iran has a democratic election and elects a leader who isnt a religious extremist they can liberalise. If that happens isreal would also need to make massive concessions and chill the fuck out. The end needs to be a Palestinian state.
Last time Iran tried to become a liberal and democratic country the UK and US organized a coup to replace the government with a more dictatorial one, which is how they ended up like this. Is more violent foreign intervention the solution? We’re about to find out!
Looking at their track record there’s no reason to believe Isreal would give an occupied Iran any rights or do anything good for them. More likely it’s just more territory to be ethnically cleansed and repopulated after they’re done with Palestine.
Who owns the US Congress?
I S R A E L
I believe Russia and Israel are currently enjoying joint custody of the US, though Israel has the majority of custodial rights.
Russia during official events and gatherings, Israel the rest of the time.
Russia owns the majority through the MAGA/Evangelical wingnut lobby and ExxonMobil/BP/Shell in other cases. Israel covers all bases.
Hey, you can’t just rebrand literal propaganda as satire!
I mean, it is satiric & very funny, but it’s on the same level of fuckery as The Onion reporting regular news - unbelievable, sounding sarcastic, fucked up, & funny (until you realise it’s just true :D).
(This is a joke comment ofc, the standoffishness is faked for lame comedic purposes.)
The message of this post is spot on but im weirdly annoyed that the meme format has been used wrong lol.
while Israel has nukes, and is subject to MAD, there’s a ton of debate and uncertainty about how much Iran cares for MAD when they finish their nukes
thats most of the reason why people are worried about them rn if you cant tell
It’s a good thing that Israel and the US did everything they could to get Iran to decide not to make nukes instead of antagonizing the poop out of them… Oh wait.
The government of Iran supports terrorism across the Middle East, including the Triple-H of terrorism which they term the “Axis of Resistance”. Hezbolla, Houthis, and of course Hamas, which brutally massacred over a thousand people and took hundreds hostage forcing a ground war in a densely populated area so they could make genocide propaganda. Hezbollah was plotting to do something similar and the Hotuthis would if they had the capability. Also Iran has people regularly chanting “death to Israel, death to America” and that kind of rhetoric is spreading into the west, and we’ve already seen all of this result in violence in cities like Boulder, CO. So that regime starts enriching enriching uranium in the amounts needed to build a nuclear device, according to the UN. And they publicly announce they’re going to start testing missiles capable of delivering a nuclear warhead to Israel.
But sure, that’s not antagonizing at all!
It’s the internet posts that’s REALLY antagonizing!
I never said Iran was good. Just that, if your concerned about them getting nukes, the US and Israel made the wrong move multiple times. Guaranteeing either they get nukes or war with Iran. A war that only Netanyahu wants so he can stay in power.
This will further destabilize the area and will probably result in Iran getting many allies.
Big cost, no gain for the west.
Hamas killed about 400 Israeli occupation soldiers on Oct. 7 for which it has the right as every people has the right to resist illegal occupation. That doesn’t justify attacks on Civilians or taking them hostage ofc. Hamas immediately thought to negotiate a hostage swap to free some of the about ten thousand Palestinians held hostage by Israel in so called “administrative detention” aka. no charge no access to legal defense and torture and abuse.
What Hamas miscalculated was how completely genocidal Israel is and how it is supported in that by the West and Israels regional allies, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Jordan…
Blaming the genocide waged by Israel on Hamas is peak cynicism.
Also if Hezbollah and Houthis would have wanted to do something similar, they would have went in full force on Oct. 7 too. Instead all that Hezbollah did for months was send some symbolic rockets and mortar fire.
Hamas immediately thought to negotiate a hostage swap
what do you think how they took them hostage in the first place? which country in this world would just sit back after what hamas did to their citizens? War has been declared, and it’s the consequences of their own, and palestinians ain’t innocent, they were very cheerful of the killing and taking hostages of Israelis. Which later turned into victims for some reason. And just fyi, hamas was democratically elected as govt of gaza. So it’s a govt against another govt conflict, aka war
War has not been declared, as Palestine is under illegal occupation. Read the ICJ ruling of last year.
What you are saying is like claiming Ukraine declared war on Russia for resisting the Crimea occupation and the green men in Donetzk.
Also just entertaining your logic for a moment. Israel murdered more than 200 Palestinians in 2023 before Oct. 7. Add to that hundreds every year before that. Add to that all the hostages Israel is taking sinced decades.
Your logic is again based on ignoring everything that Israel is doing all the time, until something happens and they cry victim.
It’s a theocracy that ritualistically chants “death to America, death to Israel.”
Nuclear proliferation is never a good thing. But a regime like that getting nukes is a major crisis.
Because the US and Israel have been killing tens of thousands if not millions of Iranians directly and indirectly over the past century.
Israel and the US helped the Shah build his intelligence forces, which murdered, tortured and dissappeared tens of thousands of people. Then the US lead Saddam Hussein to invade Iran, killing a milliom Iranians over the course of 8 years. How much Israel was involved in that is unclear.
Imagine Poland would have adopted the slogan “death to Germany” after WWII. Would you consider Poland a major crisis? What about Ukrainian sentiment towards Russia since the invasion? If Ukraine would seek nukes in 30 years, would you also see that as major crisis?
My eyes did a little dance as they purused those crispy edges.
If they all just died there would be peace, duh /sarcasm/
Well, exterminating the entire human species would be a working and simple way to achieve peace
Once Israel expanded into all these countries, there will be a whole bunch of new “threats” neighboring it.
The funny thing about this that nobody here cared when Iran was bombing these places and treating Palestinians like human refuse for decades. Post 9/11 Americans literally think they own the Middle East and treat it like their playground and want it to bend to its will.
Fix your own dumpster fire Americans, i know it’s easier to just criticize other countries though.
Nobody is saying that the Iranian government isn’t evil. We’re saying the Israeli government is evil. Iran too, USA too Russia too, and I can go on for a bit but you get the picture.
Right right now, the Israeli government is committing genocide and if you have a problem with people calling this out then you can go fuck an umbrella. Kindly.
The evil genocidal empires like America don’t get to lead the pack against genocide and imperialism. They cheapen the cause . Fuck Americans
Division over strength amirite
The dividers and invader Americans don’t get to complain about division and invasions
Nobody is saying that the Iranian government isn’t evil.
nobody here is saying they are btw, its just glossed over and ignored and too many people here think Iran is in the right
Iran is in the right not to want to have a foreign airforce invade and bomb everything.
Especially after the West unilaterally broke the JCPOA and now is piling onto Iran with lies about a nuclear weapon being close, despite even the CIA denying that. We are roped into another Iraq style invasion, which btw. muredered about half a million to a million Iraqis.
Iran is in the right to oppose that shit and the US and Israel are in the wrong for doing that.
Doesnt mean Iran is “good”.
Ah yes, the people (Iran) doing this are TOTALLY NOT a threat to peace
At least in those cases the Iranian state didn’t use their military to conduct the acid attacks. The Iranian government paid reparations to the victims on behalf of the fact the perpetrators were not caught.
I am willing to risk suggesting the damage causes by Israeli bombings has outstripped the acid attacks already. They’re completely different orders of magnitude.
People are doing this in other parts of the world too. Maybe we should consider everyone a threat to peace.
So when your neighbour hits his wife, you think it’s justified to just straight up murder them both?
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