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    Or another way to look at it- cutting nearly 75% of scientists. Can’t have climate change if there’s no one working! Watch them find some money to give to ExxonMobile to ‘study’ the impacts of fossil fuels. Wonder what that report will say! /s

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      No need for the /s I fully expect that is what will happen. Also a great firewall, so yanks can’t access unapproved information from over seas

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    Never played a conquest game where you stop researchers from giving your empire a tech advantage over others.

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      It’s a popular strategy for Fascists.

      the Nazis and the OG Fascists did it, and so did the communist Chinese.

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        China currently churns out more college graduates than any other country, and the rate is increasing.

        And they had a hell of a way to go given that it was less than 1% when they took over.

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          China currently is not communist either.

          They stopped killing academics at around the same time they stopped being communist.

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        What makes you think that? Nazi Germany was very interested in science and engineering, at least in the disciplines that develop weapons.

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          They ousted all Jewish and all politically non-compliant scientists. They were interested in science, that’s true, and according to their world view, eliminating “inferior” scientist should have enhanced the quality of the science done by “superior pure blooded Aryan Übermenschen”.

          While still being pro-science, they did cripple their scientific community on ideologic grounds. The communist regimes did the same.

          MAGA being outright anti-science, the effect will be far more devastating.

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        But so deliberately? In what world does a half intelligent person believe this to be a good long term strategy?

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          Most of the US believes in this, or is just unaware. That’s how its been for most of history around the world.

          …The remarkable issue here is the elites/rules we handed the reigns now drink their own kool-aid. The very top of most authoritarian regimes are at least cognisant of some hypocrisy, even if ideology eats them some.

          The other is that people are more ‘connected’ than ever, but to disinformation streams. I feel like a lot of the world (especially the US fancies) themselves as super smart on shit they know nothing about because of something they saw on Facebook or YouTube.

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            No, most of the US does not believe in this. This admin got less than half of the people who even voted in the election. Which is only like half the voting population anyway. You’re looking at less than a quarter who chose this, and many of those didn’t even understand what they were voting for.

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          It’s called a coup. The same thing our government orchestrated in other countries.

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      Yes, many times. Historically, it seems like the very strong empires first defeated themselves and once they were sufficiently weakened for outside forces to be able to threaten them … they still kept being self sabotaged by their own elite who prioritized maneuvering against each other for temporary power/wealth grabs over working together to face the outside threats.

      The late Roman empire has a bunch of good examples: blatant corruption, over taxation of the poor, many assassinations, sabotaging their peers that were trying to improve the situation, constant civil war, the battle that destroyed the military backbone of the western Roman empire was fought between romans, … And all that while the empire was being torn apart by outside invasions.

      Or a more recent example: the polish Lithuanian commonwealth had a paralyzed government thanks to corrupt elites with veto powers in their parliament of nobles (sejm) and only once the nation was mostly destroyed and the nation on the cusp of final destruction, did the sejm introduce some sensible new laws, but it was too late.

      With smaller regional powers you can have cases like “they were in a golden age and had never been as powerful, but then the mongols appeared”, but with hegemon empires the failure of their inner workings is always going to be instrumental in their own demise.

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    Hey Europe and Canada, anyone still looking for a scientist that just wants to do lab work? I prefer chemistry, but am happy with micro too. Just let me interpret data, please. I’m stuck somewhere where titrations are the most complex process.

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      If you have an Irish grandparent you can get a passport. Lots of work here and Americans are welcome.

      Otherwise work visas that turn into residency aren’t difficult to come by with sponsorship and it’s not the kind of sponsorship that makes you a slave.

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        How about a great grandparent. My grandma was born in NYC but great grandad came from Ireland into Ellis island.

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          Mmmm. I’m not sure tbh but I don’t think so. If your grandmother had an Irish passport though that might work. Worth checking if you’re considering it.

          My sister lives in the UK a long time now and all her kids have an Irish passport. It’s actually a great passport to have for travel. EU is obviously wide open but most places accept it without much (or zero) effort.

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      The pharma industry is currently booming in Denmark (Novo and others are expanding like crazy), so perhaps you could try and look into that

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    If you can get out, now’s the time.

    If not, now’s the time to buy guns and ammo.

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      It was time for that like 25 years ago. Fuck… I just realized 9/11 was 24 years ago.

      And honesty it might be time watch all these 1st world nations like they aren’t quite right.

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        You’ll get by just fine everywhere on english, but it’ll be hard to integrate and make local friends without learning the language

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        If you’re willing to learn at any pace, and can do at least some “skilled work” as they call it, then just about everywhere. Usually you have 5 to 10 years to learn the language if you want to stay permanently. You can get by with English in most of europe.
        Usually, if there is not a lot of jobs you can do speaking English, it means that the region isn’t exactly rich and/or accommodating anyway.

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        Almost anywhere in Europe is the answer. My son did his masters in Denmark and never learned Danish. He lives in Germany now and speaks fuck all German.

        Once in the Netherlands, after losing my glasses I asked an optician if he could speak English and he was thoroughly insulted.

        Britain and Ireland are both native English.

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        in research? English is enough in most countries I think, I have friends here (France) who just start learning french after 10 years living here 😅 they just didn’t need it before

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        As others said, you’ll get by with just speaking English - if you’re serious think of what would matter aside from language: a life in Italy will be very different than a life in German, not only the weather but also the work culture. Also think of which countries ‘match’ your education, being somewhere with loads of jobs in your expertise will make things a lot easier. I’d advise anyone able to move from US to Europe to take a leap of faith - if it doesn’t work out and the US has by then returned to normal you can just move back and if it doesn’t work out and america didn’t return to normal you’ll likely be happy at least you got out before it got real bad.

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      I got out to,the UK, but England is full of wannabe Americans that couldn’t get into the US to live if they wanted to. But they’re intent on turning the UK into an American territory. These idiots are fully prepared to privatize the NHS and their infrastructure because their white buddies across the pond are somehow a great example of how to advance a country.

      Lots of Ameriboos over here with no shame. They’d lick trump’s dirty ass if they could become the 51st state.

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      This is something I think a lot of people don’t realize; It’s a cascading failure. It’s not just that some competent people will leave the country. The rest of their teams will have to bear the extra burden and be demoralized. They will then feel compelled to leave as well.

      It’s happened numerous times in both the public and private sectors. Now they’re deliberately trying to do this shit on a national scale. If we ever recover from this, it’s going to take decades…

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    A healthy, broadly educated population, which feels safe and secure, are incompatible with, and toxic to, conservative and authoritarian ideologies.

    They need you to be sick, stupid, and scared.

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        As an outsider, I honestly and sincerely invite anyone to explain how any of what’s going on in the US today isn’t as American as apple pie and school shootings?

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        America is still slightly ahead of Russia there, due to the legacy of the USSR. Not that Russia’s billionaires aren’t doing their best to privatize education and keep it out of reach of the peasantry since the fall of communism.

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          the oligarchs of russia sends thier children to elite or standard western colleges, russian is a shithole even for them for education.

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            Yeah, and a lot of the 56% college grad rate is boomers who were educated before the fall and are now dying off. We will see it drop precipitously in the next 20 years or so, and the quality of the education of the newly graduated decline.

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    As non-american I’m becoming increasingly convinced republicans are actually lead by traitors wanting to destroy the US.

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          putin have pouring into the gop for a long time, and almost all the right wing governments elsewhere, why do you think the sudden rise of right wing govt all at once, plus they also fund alt-right groups like racial supremcy groups. isreal is similar, just by the USA (which is the most right wing western country even before trump)

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      I dont think that’s it.

      It’s an overwhelming case of “got mine”.

      Like sanders said, being a GOP member just means staying in line.

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      Wanting? No. But they see the impending collapse and rip the copper out of the walls.

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        Explain why you would intentionaly get rid of cost saving EV’s? Either they are a total cult, of actively trying to make America as miserable place to live as possible.

        GOP’s decisions only make sense if they are in it for the sadistic thrill of torturing and killing millions.

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      So do the Democrats…

      I hope they fix their system, but I have no idea how they could.

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      You jest, but even though I hate a lot about the Trump regime, I’m glad that it is eating out its own military capacity like this. It’s like when you’re incredibly sick in bed, and then it gets a little better for a while.

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    That’s only the half of it. Look at the rest of the policies, look how they want to cut Medicare and food stamps and other safety net programs.

    Make no mistake, this administration wants to see people die.

    This is the end game the technocrats have been working towards, this is how they’re enacting their eugenics. They want poor people, disabled people, disadvantaged people, to die. They believe they are culling the weak members of the herd for the sake of the betterment of “their” kind (rich, white, “healthy”, etc).

    These policies aren’t stupid or ineffective, they are cruel and insidious by design

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      The whole conspiracy theory of the new world order feels more real every year. Make everyone suffer so they have no choice but to submit to the oligarchs.

      People are already having trouble finding jobs. Cutting food stamps and Medicaid feels like pieces of making people suffer in a bigger plan.

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      I still don’t understand their end goal. If everyone exept for them is poor and dying who are they going to sell their stuff to? What will they exploit the people for if they can sell nothing because only they can afford it? Are they banking on becomming the new china and sell everything to the rest of the world? Wouldn’t killing half of your population bite that plan in the ass as a fuck ton of manpower is gone? And if they want to use machines as a replacement wouldn’t removing all the smart people be extremely unhelpful?

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        They goal is to get rich, they are mostly old, thinking I’m death in 10 years and fuck the next generations. If the country crashed, well then I can continue living in a Mansion in Dubai with an coctail in the hand. Plunder policy.

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        I still don’t understand their end goal. If everyone exept for them is poor and dying who are they going to sell their stuff to?

        I’m increasingly believing that they don’t actually care about anyone other then themselves.

        Their only goals are self-serving greed.

        And the methods they intend to use to serve that narrow goal are extremely short sighted and lacking any peripheral vision.

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        It is not hard to understand if you think that money is just a number, practically is just used to obtain power and influence, and they’re using it for that. Once everyone is a slave, what do you need to sell

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      Make no mistake, this administration wants to see people die.

      They want to see people suffer before they die.