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That sounds like a threat
If an AI bubble pops, no one is getting out clean.
He means the taxpayers.
Privatize the profits, socialize the losses
“We should privatise service X so it’s more efficient” X collapses “We can’t afford to let X fail despite the fact that it ran at massive profits all the way to it’s collapse so we’ll bail it out” THEN WHAT WAS THE POINT OF PRIVATISING IT IN THE FIRST PLACE?!
You can take on the burden of running the thing and therefore the cost of making it public, or you can allow it to be private with the caveat that they must pay a substantial (enough for the government to not be at a net loss) tax as a kind of insurance in the event a bailout is needed, but don’t take on the worst of both worlds where the profits are private and the losses are public.
Let the taxpayers prop up failing companies. Corpo welfare is the good kind of welfare even though most of the money gets sucked up by the Executives and share buy backs.
At least China is right about not bailing out their companies when their own property bubble collapsed.
The bar can’t be “not as corrupt as America”. That’s not a bar, that’s the ground. They can and should do better.
Oh I’m not trying to defend or exalt China. I’m saying that we should be like China when it comes to dealing with billionaires. Or even better, be like Vietnam, when the court ordered a billionaire who defrauded thousands to pay in time or be executed.
Agreed.
The amount of bailing out should be inversely proportionate to the amount of people fired during record profits.
Oh, that’s where he’s wrong. I think a great many of us will enjoy it.
Translation: we juiced the bubble so good trying to make a trillion dollars that when it pops, the world economy is coming down with it.
More like we juiced the bubble so good trying to make a trillion dollars that you (world governments) better not let it pop.
Any company not using AI for anything will be pretty unaffected when this bubble pops.
Even if they don’t use AI, they probably trade with a company that does.
except their employee benefits package is guaranteed to touch companies impacted by it.
Good luck finding that in any large or even mid-size company. If you think you found one, good chance you probably just found one with a lot of Shadow IT and poor visibility.
Too big to fail is too big to exist. Break them up.
You speak the truth. These idiots sank trillions into a technology that people are very meh about. If it all comes crumbling down, they really, really have nobody to blame but their own greed.
They forced massive shifts across the economy and wasted massive resources chasing a speculative technology all for power. We all suffer because of this and the government refuses to deal with it because we elect business friendly, ambitious liars.
Too big to not let fail.
That was lesson.
I’m sure we managed to avoid learning it.
We all learned the lesson but the people who could implement the lesson refuse to because it isn’t to their personal advantage. We all know what the wise thing to do is but that would disempower some very rich and influential people who should never have been allowed to grow to be so influential over the state, aka us, that we can’t stop them from forcing us to pay for their speculative risk taking.
you’re kidding right?
those billionaites that gambled the US economy on an executive borwnosing machine will get a bailout paid by those who lost healthcare and can’t afford food. 2008 all over again.
We should improve society somewhat.
that sounds like antiameticamism and therefore legally making you a terrorist
I believe the French had a nice invention for that. And it’s not the ‘pain au chocolat’…
tbf the 40 years after the french revolution were called “the terror”
didn’t they ended up with an emperor?
we learned that violent revoluts without unity and theory will succeed in creating another unfair system.
Organise, join local groups, join those groups with other groups.
It makes more sense if you read it as a threat.
Well now you know why Warren Buffet cashed out. He’s going to buy all the tech companies on a fire sale.
Due to the sheer number of articles surrounding the AI bubble popping; I’m coming to the conclusion that this has already started.
Was that a threat?
And I hope he wasn’t threatening everyone who participates in the global economy.
Lol that’s how I read it, or at least trying to suggest they’re in a Mutually Assured Destruction scenario.
“No bail-out, no economy” basically.
Was that a threat?
“Google might break! Please be careful!” - the threat of a good time.
What part of that article read like a threat to you lol
Make no mistake. Just like the housing bubble of 2007 and 2008 there are people poised and ready to make tons of money off of the deflation of the AI bubble.
Jacked to the tits…
The money to be made is on predicting when, not it it’s going to burst. Otherwise we’d all be betting the house on it.
Actually it’s more about the how. The people betting against the housing market put their chips down as early as 2005. They just had to find a way to profit from it.
Interesting. And what was the how back then?
“I’m gonna take you all down with me!”
Then I’ll ask for a sweet socialist bailout while the rest of you enjoy rugged capitalism.
This is a threat. They know that they’re using the stock market to find their greed and that anyone with saving tied up there (Retirement funds that are invested in the market) will be on the hook. Plus the tax payer money they’re going to ask for because they’re “too big to fail”.
I was opposed to the bailouts in 08’, and I’m severely against any of these fuckers getting more resources to attack me. It’s absurd. What’s more absurd is that both aisles will support it, but Americans healthcare will be at 5k a month 😂〽️
Cleptocracy much?
Wall Street didn’t learn from past events and is doomed to repeat history?
Shocking… /s
Oh, they learned. We thought them that no one will be accountable and that the greediest will be bailed out and continue to get richer and richer. We are keeping jackals in our house, and we are giving them a pat on the head and a tasty treat every time they bite our children.
Why are we so stupid?
It feels like we’re being ruled by think tanks.
All reasoning must crumble before one prime directive: The richest can only get richer. No matter the cost.
They learn how to profit the next time.
they profit from every crisis already. can’t let a good one go to waste.
until the US regulates it’s financial markets for the common good like most of the rest, it will forever remain the country of shortsighted degenerate gamblers
They’ve learned they can get away with it.
Don’t worry, I’m sure there will be a huge government bailout that the people have no say in. Remember 2008? I don’t remember voting to give away piles of money to the bankers.
You know what Iceland did when there was suspicious investing and they had bank failures? They put the bankers in jail! What did we do? We gave them a bonus!
God bless America, because we’ll need it!
America is really bizarro world compared to other countries and how they handle things like this.
It just seems like in America, you can fail upwards, con people and still get out filthy rich.
you can fail upwards, con people and still get out filthy rich.
Only if you con the poors. If you con someone who’s rich or “powerful”, then you get punished.
It’s only bizarre until you realize this isn’t a failure of the system. This is a success for the people getting the payout. They have lobbied and deeply infiltrated the government. The US government doesn’t serve the citizenry anymore. It serves the rich and powerful. The rest of us are just useful as consumers to funnel money to the corporations.
Nah, most of Europe did exactly the same thing as America last time around. Hell the EU went out of its way to make sure bankers didn’t lose money (how do you think Greek Debt which was entirely in private hands ended up in the hands of the EU, which then turned around and forced Austerity of Greece “to avoid losses of money of EU taxpayers”) - the Corruption was just as bad on this side of the pond as it was on the other.
Iceland stands out because they were almost unique in the West in making the bankers pay for their shenanigans.
