At least 18 people died in France, including two children left in a hot car, as a heat wave gripped Europe and smashed temperature records in several cities Monday.
As schools in France closed or modified their schedules, forecasters in Britain predicted temperatures could break June records this week.
The temperature in Bordeaux in France’s western wine country rose to 41.9 C, breaking a record set last August. In Poitiers, in central France, it reached 41.2 C, surpassing a previous high set in 1947.
including two children left in a hot car
I mean that’s just the parents fault. They would be dead even with regular heat.
40 drowned in france that were escaping the heat too.
41.2c -> 106.16F
Damn the society of Greed is killing us all.
I’m waiting for all the “it’s supposed to be hot in the summer” comments.
And boomers wonder why Gen Z and millennials aren’t having kids.
My parents are understanding very well while reading on the one hand comments from Gen Z - like you - and alike that it is all the boomer’s fault and on the other hand asking themselves how they will pay that month the health bills and other costs from their little pension .
They aren’t having kids because France doesn’t use air conditioners or hasn’t typically in the past? It isn’t a money thing, it’s a “we don’t need them and never have” thing and now they do. It’s like buying a dryer in south east Asia, they don’t use them and they’re incredibly hard to even find one to buy.
- You can’t just negate a heat wave with AC, most people actually need to be outside sometimes.
- AC mitigates the symptom, not the root. Actually, it contributes to the root issue massively, especially with wide-scale use. And it will not be enough when the heatwaves will reach 10, 20 °C higher.
They aren’t having kids because this weather is not normal: climate change is bringing extreme weather that is already causing big problems and will only become worse in the future.
Don’t be an idiot and pretend you didn’t know that’s what they meant.
I mean, it’s pretty funny that you would say gen z aren’t having kids because of climate change like it’s a settled single-source issue. There are many reasons, climate change is one of them
You are aware that the AC doesn’t do much when you’re outside?
That and the fact that salaries are very low in France. I see americans talking about $200k a year for software engineers, where in France you get $50k a year on average if you’re a senior.
That is because for a long time software developers were paid way higher than anyone else in the tech industry. There are very very few engineers in the Midwest that get paid that.
If you compare CoL in silicon valley to France, it is literally 4x+ in many cases.
I moved from the Midwest (low CoL) to Belgium and my CoL went significantly down, like 40%.
Okay counter point, I can live minimum wage comfortably ish in France. You don’t need 200k to live here.
Also, I don’t think comparing the top 1% crack engineers is a good representation of salaries compared to cost of living.
You took 2 extremes, but even without that, consider that the french have retirement and health included
Sure, but an American making 50k probably doesn’t. The French absolutely does
Extremes is true and also very location dependent, but anyone making 200k in the u.s. also has insurance and a retirement package.
There’s no way those numbers are true as an American who’s in the industry. Like maybe super high end for USA and super low for France as outliers but you basically have to be a genius wizard to be making 200k a year as a software engineer anywhere in the USA. Even then it’ll only be in a super high cost of living place, no software dev in the Midwest is pulling 200k.
I definitely know software devs in the Midwest making more than 200k
Well good for them, I haven’t met any - I think we could at least agree that’s very rare.
Also this ignores that 50k goes a lot further in France than in the US. In my experience cost of living is around 1.5x in the US when you account for everything than it is in France.
I definitely know developers in France making more than twice that.
The cost to the global economy of dealing with fossil fuel dependency is going to be huge. So instead we are going to faaaaaall down and worship at the Moloch of the Capitalism with annual human sacrifices. India is ahead of the game with 40k levels of human sacrifice (about 3500 per day!), so the other countries need to step up their game, because only 18 people in France, those are rookie numbers.
Without this “fossil fuel dependency” there wouldn’t be 8 billion people and we’d be at an early 19th century economy. You know, when they had 100% renewable energy?
What a ridiculous thing to say, what a bullshit argument.
There has existed a scientific consensus about the dangers of climate change due to CO2 emissions since the late 1980s. The first IPCC report came out in 1990. That’s 36 years ago. MORE THAN THREE FUCKING DECADES that our leaders have had the knowledge that humanity needs to change course. MORE THAN THREE DECADES of lost opportunity to actually change the structure of our economies and the inputs/outputs of industrial base.
So give me a fucking break from the bullshit.
In fairness three decades isn’t actually that long of a time.
Wtf?
Dinosaurs were 100 million years ago etc etc. 36 years is not even a blip in time.
We’re talking human economic policy bro. 36 years is an era.
Slavery took about 100 years of gradual policy reform and a civil war to change.
Sounds good to me.
Up to 40 now :(
How long do y’all think it will take yanks to start talking about how in X part of the US it’s much hotter and us “pansy Europeans” should just “learn to deal with it”?
I knew a girl from texas, we sometimes played video games together. She kept telling me that it’s not even that hot, it’s way hotter in texas. I asked her how they even deal with that heat, because it’s 10 degrees cooler here and i almost die until i reach the forrest when i go outside. She was like: tsss, we don’t go outside, we are at home with the AC running, AC in the car and go to the AC mall. Oh, so you deal with tye problem by not dealimg with it.
And when Texans experience a proper winter they all freeze to death in their rinky dink stick and paper homes.
So fun fact I moved to New England from Texas (Denton) and let me tell u the HOT HUMID shitty parts of August imo felt worse in new england than the 100° dry heat in Texas! Yes sometimes in Texas it got muggy too then it was hell and u parked ur ass inside but I was surprised with the humid heat in the northeast! France is seeing 105-106 f heat now, which if dry as Arizona isn’t too bad here and there but if their acompanied by any humidity too your sweat cannot cool u off and u just fucking fry!
Nobody can understand ur weird units, u are on the Internet, where the majority uses Celsius.
and by increasing the problem
Too hot outside, better sit inside and run a machine that moves heat from inside to outside while also producing waste heat as well!
Yes. The alternative is suffering.
Personally when it gets that hot I take a ride to one of my local swimming holes, most are fed by mountain streams and are CHILLY no matter how hot it is outside! But yea not much alternative some days
Skipping the insults, these kind of heat stroke deaths are undeniably a policy failure. Building codes must be updated to match the new reality. Public cooling centers must be mandated. Learn from our experience and success.
As a Californian yank who has spent a combined 2 years living in East Sussex, England and León, Spain; let me just say this:
There’s dumbasses, highly ignorant chads and plenty of wankers on both sides of the pond who will readily make stupid comments.
Any comments about the US being hotter than the EU really comes down to a lack of basic knowledge that most Europeans don’t have Air Conditioning and are therefore unprepared to deal with prolonged heatwaves.
Sure, we Californians for example endure entire months of continuous 33’C weather, but we’re prepared for it here. We expect to have two seasons here: Summer and Spring for fucks sake.
Europeans however don’t expect that and the only criticism you all are entitled to here is that this isn’t going to go away. All you Europeans need to be pushing for infrastructure now instead of fucking talking and talking and talking some more about it.
It’s also the buildings.
I live in Sweden. My flat was built in the 60s, and it’s made to retain heat. It was part of the million programme and is incredibly sturdy. I half joke it’d survive a nuclear bomb, but it very well might. There’s even a shelter.
Past few days we’ve had temps going up to around 27. That’s not too bad if you’re outside. In my flat however the temps easily rise to 32, and has even hit 35. Opening a window helps a little, but the entire building heats up and retains this heat.
While it gets cooler outside during the night, the building is still radiating heat, and it doesn’t fully dissipate come morning. I have a portable AC, and while it works well, the moment you turn it off the heat that remains in the walls, ceiling, and floor quickly radiates out and completely nullifies the efforts of the AC.
Many places in the U.S. has the complete opposite problem. Like this example.
It’s not about people being wimps, it’s about the climate changing in fairly chaotic and extreme ways, and our adaptations to protect against the weather simply not keeping up.
That sounds like a nightmare. I live in Australia and used to work in a 2nd floor office with very weak vented AC. In summer afternoons the sun would beat down on the one exterior wall, and it would heat up like a radiator. On hot days the wall and window glass became too hot to touch from the inside. You could feel the radiated heat when you walked in the room, like walking past a pizza oven.
Modem building codes require some sort of weird looking air-gapped cladding on the sunward side of buildings, steel, aluminium or concrete panels suspended 100mm away from the wall on pegs, and gridded awnings over windows so that the sunlight isn’t beating directly against the wall, otherwise the buildings are basically unsurvivable.
Technology Connections did a video on awnings and how much they were useful before AC, and how they’ve fallen out of fashion despite being needed more than ever
Yeah, that sounds similar to my situation. I have blackout curtains, but they don’t really help since they like you say, just heat up and radiate that out into the room. The best room is the living room/office since there’s a fully enclosed balcony that kind of acts as an airgap. I can just close the balcony door and it’ll trap most of the heat outside.
I’ve seen the TC video in question. My old workplace actually had awnings. It was fantastic, since they were cloth we could adjust them as needed. It still got really warm because the building was flat and so the roof also absorbed a lot of heat that then made it into the building, but despite that the awnings made a noticeable difference.
Honestly, given how the Australian sun is, I couldn’t imagine dealing with this over there. I’d actually just pop off from heatstroke.
Same goes for Northernrs making fun of the south shutting down due to snow.
It just doesn’t make sense to maintain a fleet of salt trucks for the one day every 3 years it ices badly.
I’m in Italy and we get it all, snowstorms, heatwaves, dry, humid, whatever. We lack a desert, but we do have lots of very dry areas.
People foreignsplaining how to deal with any of these never fail to exasperate me.
Yep. It’s all about infrastructure and change.
I do wonder if they’ll get everything hooked up to AC right as the AMOC collapses and send the UK and europe into a mini-ice-age.
Well where i live we have year round 36 so check mate
/s
But seriously that’s our miserable weather
how long did it take you until you made this about America?
don’t you “europeons” always complain that there’s too many posts about America? the one time a post is entirely about Europe, and you somehow find a way to make it about America.
They may actually ignore this one, as they do not understand what 41C is and at the same time are too lazy to check.
If they could read they would be very upset >:(
41°? That’s the temp of my fridge! Pussies! /s
That’s too warm for a fridge.
It’s broken :(
They’re too busy responding to all the Europeans’ comments on US housing construction materials at the moment.
USian here. Construction is garbage.
Luckily, I’m not going out.
