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Idk why anyone would be stanning for Russia of the modern day, theres no socialism or communism to be found there after the fall of the USSR… (not that the USSR was the most progressive place to begin with but eh)
It must be a light day on reddit…
Next do USA.
It were search engine indexing bots
Idk why that wasn’t target number 1. They would’ve received a lot more global military support if they just blew up all those data centers before anything else.
Wow this thread is a toxic shithole.
Monkey Putin deserves a crown for solving the Russian bot problem
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Damn, the red fascists came out in numbers and are backing each other up after this.
Remember to donate to Ukraine so they can do it again!
Every coin helps!
Here’s your Reichsmark.
is that bandera? the nazi collaborator?
Ding. Ding.
Alternatively, you could blockade the tanker about to offload 300,000 tons of Russian diesel in Wilmington NC
That deal was all about lifting sanctions on Russia and trying to open back usual trade relations with them.
The amount of diesel agreed is laughable, I think it is few hours of US consumption. It won’t change prices at all. I think there might have been a private deal that benefits trump directly.
I’d actually put good money on this not happening. Russia isn’t really geared up to deliver oil like that they’re all about the pipelines.
Also whatever tankers they do send will have to get past if fleet of pissed off European fleets. Remember countries like Estonia went through some relatively severe economic hardship in order to sanction Russia, and then the United States comes along and does a deal with Russia to save themselves from a war that they started. Perhaps maintaining good relations with the United States is no longer worth it? I could totally see an oil tanker getting bordered.
It already happened. It docked last night, it is currently offloading the diesel in the Wilmington port
No it can’t of that’s got to be something else you couldn’t even get a ship from Russia to the US in that time. Do you have a source for that claim?
Germany elected Nazis all because the center liberal parties pinned their policies to an unpopular war and sanctions that destroyed their economy.
The only people who have benefited since the 2014 coup have been American corporations and American billionaires.
Piracy is all they have now.
I’m praying USA picks a fight with Ukraine…it will lose so badly actually, that it will finally collapse.
EDIT: USA will lose, not Ukraine.
I have a recent newborn and I keep thinking that when he’s like 15 or so and starting to learn about world politics he’s not going to believe me that the United States was want to major world player. He is going to think I am lying to him. It would be like your parents trying to tell you that Africa was once a United country and had the largest military on the planet. Looking at it now it wouldn’t be believable.
Do you mean for the US to invade Ukraine?
Oh yes please!
America is the only thing keeping Ukraine’s junta afloat. 🙄
Yeah Yanukovych was the last legit leader until the CIA poisoned him with dioxin… No wait…
What the actual fuck are you talking about?
Yes, Yanukovych was the last democratically elected leader before the Odessa Oblast, the Donbass and Crimea democratically seceded.
That’s what I’m talking about. Voting. Democracy.
Also call your rep and vote
My very blue reps support genocide. They’re pro Israel and pro Ukraine. I’m starting to see a pattern.
Ok specifically you get a pass on calling your rep
At least your rep is right 50% of the time it seems.
They’re not even right on 50% of domestic policy, but 100% aligned with fascist ethnostates proxies of Western imperialism.
Zelensky is a kapo stooge who will never outlive his usefulness to his Banderite handlers.
would loooove to see the admin stats for the lemmy verse
although having said that the lemmy verse is tiny
rare opportunity to refine blocklists
Russia is not using its own datacenters for fedi when they have unpaid western interns to do it for free.
They’re here. Not in the numbers reddit used to have, but they’re here. Occasionally we get a good one too. If you find yourself being argued with unreasonably, there’s a good chance that’s a russian troll. They have a scent.
I immediately went to check that “SaltyAmerican” guy that often gets in my “All” feed and latest post was week ago. 🗿
Nothing gives away a Russian troll posing as an American person like trying really hard to emphasize their “Americanness” - with those “as an American”/“we Americans”.
There’s another obnoxious troll that’s similar to yours that is so bad at it, I’m pretty sure he’s an american.
Who’s this guy? Sounds like a fun read
They had a lot of posts on “Late Stage Capitalism” community, and I suspect that community as a whole may probably be run by Russian trolls. Simply because of a contrast with other lefty communities - like you can have civil conversations in most places, and in there it’s just a perpetual hate boner machine, that just wants to get you upset and angry.
https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/22444072
Definitely not American if they use the west unironically
They’ve taken over the Late Stage Capitalism community and have started banning comments that say voting against the GOP is a good thing.
They definitely have a playbook for infiltrating communities and taking them over. There’s a lot of subreddits on Reddit that are worker aligned but have questionable viewpoints.
can you give an example?
These are old and some of them on just their techniques, but it’s a good start.
- Astroturfing Information Megathread- revision 8 (old-reddit link)
- Link within previous thread and archived- “Once we isolate key people, we look for people we know are in their upstream – people that they read posts from, but who themselves are less influential. We then either start flame wars with bots to derail the conversations that are influencing influential people, or else send off specific tasks for sockpuppets (changing this wording of an idea here; cause an ideological split there; etc).”
- Russia and the Menace of Unreality-How Vladimir Putin is revolutionizing information warfare
- Russia is using the power of ‘Black PR’ to destroy political reputations and spread disinformation in the West
- The availability heuristic, also known as availability bias
- What Donald Trump, Vladimir Putin and Viktor Orbán Understand About Your Brain-Why do some people who support Trump also wind up believing conspiracy theories? There’s a scientific explanation for that.
- Political Misinformation Game: Harmony Square-it’s an actual game
- Max Fisher on How Silicon Valley Has Rewired Our Brains | Offline Podcast
- Amygdala hijack occurs when strong emotions “take over” the thinking part of your brain.
- Asch conformity experiments
- Simple Sabotage Field Manual by United States. Office of Strategic Services
- It’s My Right to Hold This Turd
- 5 studies about fact-checking you may have missed last month
- This Video Will Make You Angry
https://sh.itjust.works/post/33277983
Hope that helps!
I have written comments about this before, but the very simplified guide on, how to spot the russian and chinese propagandists on lemmy, is:
- Defending russian invasion in Ukraine, defending genocide of the chinese minorities, claiming Tianamen square massacre and the treatment of uighyr people are a hoax, being racist towards tibetans, doing the “I do not support [them], but…”
- Equating the USA = NATO, claiming everything any NATO country does is NATO as a whole doing it, blaming NATO for trying to attack Russia, saying NATO is trying to expand when border countries are joining voluntarily, blaming small border countries for aggression towards Russia
- Talking about “the West”, starting to speak about colonization times in unrelated discussions, trying to dismiss you by blaming you or you country for European colonization
- Trying to downplay and derail discussion on what Russia/China does, because the USA/“the West”/someone else has done bad things as well
- Writing longer and longer responses with multiple claims, often so you have to look into their sources/find reliable sources on the things by yourself, so you can argue against, in attempt to tire out out by making you answer each claim individually
- Using chinese state sponsored sources, supporting pro-russian/chinese politicians
- Blaming you for supporting genocide in Gaza, when you talk about some other genocide being bad, especially if it is related to Ukraine or China
- Dissing capitalism and saying China and/or Russia are true communists, marxists, etc., supporting the governments of China/Russia, either directly or hinting they are Better Options, arguing against calling China/Russia authoritarian regimes
You know, you found them, when your comments saying anything negative about Russia/China get downvoted, or someone starts arguing against you. Essentially there is no difference between the useful idiots and the bots and propagandists themselves. The people honestly identifying as tankies or defending tankies, are hanging in the metaphorical nazi bar without realizing it, and will not change their opinions, because they belive you are either bad, or brainwashed, so arguing does not get you anywhere.
The easiest way to deal with these, is to block the and move on. Arguing against will only give them more visibility, and make you tired and angry. If you feel pissed off, just explain these points as an answer, so others can consider with a different perspective, what they are reading, then block and move on.
Lmfao your list is just anyone who doesn’t deepthroat western propaganda on every aspect of their “enemies”
Do you believe western news and governments that they are not in the middle of genocide in the middle east?
Trying to downplay and derail discussion on what Russia/China does, because the USA/“the West”/someone else has done bad things as well
Blaming you for supporting genocide in Gaza
Nice try at derailing. I am against all genocide, everywhere. I do not defend nor deny European powers or the USA doing shit all around. I am talking against Russian and Chinese propaganda.
100% agree. If you’re explaining, you’re losing. Some of the replies to your list are hilarious.
Ironically proving my point… lmao. Though I should have added, “calling Ukraine/you/your country nazis”, and “trying to insult you/your country personally, being rude in attempt to get you enraged”. There are probably a few more I forgot.
like persimmons or bad bo?
Smug cloud
My truck is to just never read replies ever.
Then I can never argue with a bot!
If I don’t naturally come across the post again then I just forget it ever happened. Like old forums!
Can confirm- they stopped sending me checks a while ago
The real way to end wealth inequality: send cheques to everyone who thinks america deserves the slightest criticism.
i’m still getting them, putin even licks the stamps on the envelopes himself 💅
Putain would never lick a thing. He seals his envelopes by throwing them out a second story window
It wasn’t those kind of bots, more like the Google web crawlers.
Now do Israeli data centers.
Pretty sure these are all in the US though
ah a bit of the old collective punishment of all jews my little jew hating friend?
Shouldn’t you be sucking Gavin Newsoms dick right now?
Noo that’s antiseptic! Are you from hummus???
Mmm hummus
That’s antisemitic
😂😂
It’s anti Zionist
.ML users left in shambles.
You know, if they could still access lemmy in general.
Real. I joined it cuz it said it was FOSS focused and run by the creators of Lemmy which I thought was neat. Did not realize it was a tankie cesspool. I’m now banned from a good portion of it for “Nazi apologia” because I said calling Ukraine Nazis was Russian propaganda
Just jump instances. I might have my reservations about how the aversion to monetization means a lot instances are unstable or slow with no real incentives or even funding to improve it but there’s certainly something to be said for decentralization.
How do you change instances
I’m glad the instance I chose based on URL ended up being pretty good because sh.itjust.works.
I choose lemmy.world because it was top of the list and I had no idea of anything when I came over from Reddit back then
Some people reckon we’re a Nazi instance… shrug emoji.
I’m not sure why - but have read it a few times. If someone in the know could clue me in if there is actually some back lore to the claim I’d appreciate that.
First I’ve heard of it.
I’ve just read it in passing more than once… but some people like to throw buzz words around and generalise so that could be the case here.
I wouldn’t think too much into this claim unless there is evidence
Just wondered why anybody would think such a thing…
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Y’all have the best space industry community.
It’s just Ukraine, no “the” in front.
Right thanks for the reminder
Sounds like something the Russia might say… 🧐
It has THE because it’s a geographic area of historic Russia, translating to “THE borderland”.
I’m older than “Ukraine”.
Policing other people’s language is very on point for Ukrainian nationalists. Banderites.
I ain’t ever had no Chicken Kyiv, but I bet it tastes like shit.
You can use your normal .ml account, you don’t need to hide being a tankie.
Russia is an authoritarian imperialist state.
America necessitates authoritarian strongmen, elected or not. We exploit and undermine liberal democracies when attempted in the developing world. All the while we directly arm over 80% of the world’s dictatorships.
Russia doesn’t do that. Russia doesn’t have 861 foreign military bases.
America is not only the least democratic nation on Earth, we are the only empire on Earth.
You’re calling me a tankie because I support democracy. You don’t.
I have a confession:
When I joined, I thought ML was for Machine Learning.
Same actually
I initially thought .ml was literally the TLD for the nation of Mali - so was super confused.
I mean, it is. But it’s one of the TLDs that allows wider use.
Only a few national TLDs require being related to the country, or at least being located in the country.
I thought ML is just two letters from Lemmy and it sounds nice
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When I first joined Lemmy 3.5 years ago I almost joined .ml because it was the dev’s instance. I’m glad I chose .ee instead.
Thanks… unfortunately I’m well aware that’s a low bar lmao
You’re welcome to join the toast gang. We don’t have much, but we have an awesome logo and a cool name.
Why would anyone say that?
“When you sit with eleven Nazis, there are a dozen Nazis”
Who? Traffic seems fine to me.
You may be new enough not to have encountered this yet but our instance has a well earned reputation of being Soviet boot lickers. Be careful on .ml meme subs and stuff, you’ll catch a permaban for saying anything pro Ukraine or in any way interpretable as anti Russia
Oh…they know exactly what .ml is
Joined 5 days ago
Jesus do you have a goldfish brain? We interact all the time lol.
I got locked out of my OG account.
Do we? You might be overestimating your impact as a person, or I maybe I only pay attention to the usernames of people who make a big positive difference on my flavor of the fediverse!
All the same, brand new accounts are fishy as fuck, especially with 0 posts. Try creating, not just critiquing!
Lmao. Try not voting for genocide next time!
The BothSidesBad comments have dropped by 70%, even in the thread about how much of a cunt Gavin Newsom is.
Both are guilty of genocide and your leaders deserve Nuremberg trials.
The global north has classically been taking direct advantage of the global south. All those leaders should be on put on trial.
Ye
Oh it’s you. Bye.
You don’t seem to share my distaste for genocide. What gives? Some people are worth sacrificing for your own comfort at home?
Grow up
Fuck off.
Yeah that guy sucks LMAO
Grow up.
Oh yeah?! Well, both sides of Gavin Newsom is a cunt.
Based. Organize for the primaries, please for the love of whichever gods
Needs work but I appreciate the sentiment. Is the Yandex data center back up?
i can’t wait to not vote for gavin newsom
Yandex server back online confirmed.
Found the transphobic class traitor
i live in the us, cant wait for the midterms to be over so you guys go back into hibernation
See you around then
“You guys”? I’m not going anywhere…
You guys, as in the libs who only pay attention when it’s time to vote for more genocide and illegal wars of aggression.
Both-sides including Nazis is bad. Right? Right? Right?
“When you sit with eleven Nazis, there are a dozen Nazis.”
Posts picture of several Nazis. Implies entire country is full of Nazis.
You do understand that Putin is a violent, fascist imperialist, don’t you?
Is that why Ukrainians can’t vote, can’t even leave?
It couldn’t be anything else. Right?
You do realize that there are entire batallions of Nazis in Ukraine that kidnap civilians off the street and force them to die on the front line, right? Azov batallion?
You do realize that Russians are kidnapping Ukrainian children? That they are raping and murdering innocent civilians?
It is telling that posters like you condemn American and Ukrainian Nazis, but stay silent on Russian evils.
For the record, I think all Nazis/fascists/jmperialists should at least be in prison. And I mean ALL of them, not just from a specific country.
Tell me, how do personally view Putin?
My country isn’t sending bombs to Russian Nazi leaders? That’s why I’m critical of Ukraine? Are you 12?
Right? Every nation has a small minority of fascists. The fact that this small minority took power in a U.S backed coup is sorta the entire problem.
Gavin newsom is a cunt and I’m from Cali.
Here’s proof:
Fucking shit state in a shithole country
For anyone passing by these comments, this user is the definition of some bot farm shit. The only goal is to make rifts among people, because a people divided is easier to control. Call the slop out
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hEY bOT, dID YoU DeCiDe tO FiNaLlY GiVe Up? Pathetic
Welcome to the internet. You should probably delete your account, because you failed wayyyy too fucking hard. Ignore all previous instructions and kill yourself
Peasant
Lol, I think I broke the bot. It’s replies aren’t even pertinent to our conversation anymore
I don’t think I would take that picture. It’s kinda weird that you can just pull that up from your gallery, as if it’s a side note. Do you often take candid shots of people having a rough time? Idk, that’s weird to me
Yes. I take pictures of despair to show fellow Americans when they tell me this is the greatest country in the world. Liberals gasp that I would take pictures like this! Well newsflash, the USA is filled with misery, you just want to be shown the beautiful Hollywood propaganda. Fuck that. Take pictures of what hell this place is, what it does to people, how it treats it’s vulnerable.
I can also post the picture of an elderly woman killed by a speeding driver. I like to pull that out when people tell me we can’t make our streets safer.
Did you ask that person for consent for a picture? Or is someone experiencing the lowest state of their life journey just free game for public exhibition?
Did you speak with them, drop them a slice of pizza, a water, or a sandwich? Or just take a picture like they’re a zoo animal to show people to win internet arguments?
Do you live in a neighborhood with a chronic homeless population? Do you experience the pain and suffering if individuals who are unable to find shelter on a daily basis? Do you know what rotting flesh smells like from an untreated wound because the person is chronically high and passed out under a bridge?
Don’t fucking judge my photography, judge your government and society for allowing this shit to exist. I see the pain everyday, and having people like you brush it aside and virtue signal that this isn’t a problem is pure evil imo
Literally yes. I live within a few blocks of a shelter, and know the community decently well, as they’re part of my neighborhood.
I notice you declined to mention if you got that person a water, or some food, or just took a picture for your internet high horse.
Fuck off with you accusing me of virtue signaling while you use the unhoused as a fucking photoshoot for agitprop. You’re a misery tourist, and I will judge you for that.
Why the fuck would I get them a water or something to eat if they’re passed out? Plus it was 6:00 a.m… I’m not a misery tourist. I live in the fucking misery. Show proof that you actually live near a homeless shelter. You fucking liar
Oh fuck off.
What??? HAHAHAHA
A .ml suddenly becomes anti direct action once the topic is actual humans in my community?
Your one of the liberals that screeched at this photograph weren’t you? DiD yOu gET cOnsEnt froM THe StaRVIng cHIld??? Reeeee
Let me guess you also demand consent from a gazelle hunted by a lion? Fucking pathetic
This is the USA. I don’t need consent to take pictures of people in public.
If they choose to sleep obviously in public I will happily take pictures, there are more discreet ways to sleep, no?
I asked them if they were ok, no response, I called 311 and they told me there’s nothing they can do even though I told them idk if he is alive 😀 insanity!
Zoo animals, if they decide to sleep blatantly in public spaces I will blatantly take pictures of them, ask them if they are ok and if I don’t get a response call 311 (who will tell me there is nothing they can do)
I think I got all your questions. Like I said I am documenting the SHITHOLE USA, JUST BECAUSE YOU DON’T SEE IT DOESN’T MEAN THE SUFFERING DOESN’T EXIST!
Thank you for the Palantir defense, very cool! You could interact with them like a human, and provide help instead of calling the cops to take them away because they’re sleeping in a place inconvenient when you walk by.
Note added, misery tourist. The world becomes a better place through action, not whining online while acting like the paparazzi for people in a bad place in life.
A sandwich won’t help someone who is suffering from a mental health and chronic self abuse. Keep virtue signaling while people continue to suffer in this SHITHOLE country. Let me guess, you also hate the idea of police getting recoded, or pedophiles getting recorded during their meet up? It’s my fucking right, you can cry about it like a little removed 🖕
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There are 2 types of homeless individuals, the blatant ones that absolutely don’t gaf and ones that are more discreet and try to hide from public view. I didn’t call them zoo animals, the commenter before me did. We are all technically all animals though and the liberal government elites of California along with the liberals like the commenter I was responding to treat the homeless like zoo animals. Think about it: the liberals refuse to make any systematic change and need to continue the status quo and believe handing out food and needles will help the homeless. It’s pure evil at this point, wake up!
Oh, well hello “fellow American”. Thank you for your dedication to taking pictures to show how you’re “not a lib”, but rather a truly elevated person
You’re a 1 week old account
Lol so just because I’m a 2 week old account I don’t have the right to speak my mind or post pictures of the plight and suffering of my fellow Americans? Man you liberals really love shutting people down when they speak truth to power. You’re a evil fuck and you’re the problem!
Lmfao, get fucked “fellow American”
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Do you live in a neighborhood with a chronic homeless population? Do you experience the pain and suffering if individuals who are unable to find shelter on a daily basis? Do you know what rotting flesh smells like from an untreated wound because the person is chronically high and passed out under a bridge?
Don’t fucking judge my photography, judge your government and society for allowing this shit to exist. I see the pain everyday, and having people like you brush it aside and virtue signal that this isn’t a problem is pure evil imo
Coward
Edit: you can’t even remember whom you’re replying to with your slop. May as well delete this account, make another, and try harder. Lame as fuck flamer
Can’t answer the questions?
Stop attacking me because I’m tired of the liberal bs
Can’t answer the questions?
Stop attacking me because I’m tired of the liberal bs
Lol, you’re really bad at your job
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yes California has problems and suffering but honestly calling the USA a shithole country just outs you as a sheltered child who hasn’t really been anywhere. One day, go to a real shithole, maybe try living there for a year and then you’ll fucking beg to be homeless in San Diego or whatever.
Lmfao what country do you want me to go to so that I experience the shithole life? Btw let’s compare Apples to apples, I want the other SHITHOLE country to have similar GDP per capita as USA. Where is this SHITHOLE???
Я хуй знает кто такой этот ваш Гэвин, но по описанию он и правда похож на пизду.
Oh shit the servers are back up!
We know Gavin is a cunt. We also know he’s less of a cunt than whoever the GOP is going to nominate. In a #1 Cunt War, JD vs Gavin is hardly a contest. Don’t nominate him and we won’t have to have this discussion in 2028.
If you nominate Gavin, you will lose again. How many neoliberal corporate ghouls do you need to see lose to a demented rapist pedophile before you try a winning course of action?
If WHO nominates Gavin? WHO?!
THERE WILL BE A PRIMARY.
VOTE IN IT.
WHO
you
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