• Seth Taylor@lemmy.world
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    24 minutes ago

    I’ll preface this by saying I’m not American

    Both of these men have had several moments in the last few years when I thought they mean well, and it’s quite wholesome to see grampa Schumer get all enthusiastic about fighting fire with fire every now and then

    But the fact of the matter is that Schumer is too old for this sort of rough water and that neither of these are the loudest voice in their party and not even in their respective chambers. I think AOC speaks up easily ten more often than Jeffries, for example. I hardly hear anything from him.

    What complicates matters here is the oddity of having the House and Senate leaders quit when their party just won so decisively. The Dems being such a big tent makes it hard for an uninformed person to see that while the Dems won, the style and direction of Schumer and Jeffries did not, and that they’re not suitable leaders in a time of crysis. Things need to be fixed without relying on bipartisanship or the mercy of your opponent, because the GOP, from where I see it, never gives an inch. But I assume the Dems don’t want to make it look like there’s already instability within their party, fresh after a win, which is ironic, because Schumer and Jeffries not quitting on their own terms may lead to a nasty leadership challenge.

    I don’t know if Jeffries, but certainly Schumer, much like Biden, seems to be melancholic for the better days of the pre-Trump era, when the worst of the worst did very much exist in the GOP but were less dominant or less prone to breaking the law to impose their awful views. I do frequently see Americans online say they’d rather have Bush, Romney or McCain back than have Trump. I agree. Those were… tolerable. They were certainly less corrupt.

    Older senators like Schumer seem to yearn for news headlines of unity and pride. But that’s just not possible right now. These next few years are not the time for unity. They’re a time for justice, reform and securing democracy.

    Most GOP members simply don’t even belong in politics, to state the obvious (Hegseth…) and have only bad intentions. In my own country I tend to think of seats that are occupied by the far-right opposition as vacant, because they’re simply impossible to reason with

    • Cherries@lemmy.world
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      7 minutes ago

      There is always a way to spin anything. Chuck could easily step aside while saying, “It’s time for me to pass the torch to the younger generation.” Jeffries could step aside while saying, “I have helped lead the Dem party where it is today and I’m excited to see where it will go from here.” You are correct in that the Dem voter base is screaming for new leadership, so thr best way to show solidarity is for these two AIPAC stooges to step aside willingly.

      Because of the threat of MAGA and how poorly Dem leadership has been combating that threat, unity and compromise are no longer tenable. Schumer and Jeffries have shown they are conciliatory to fascists and the voter base is extremely unhappy about that. The best thing for the party right now is for the Progressive wing to loudly distinguish themselves from the unpopular Centrist wing or else the pendulum will swing back and we’ll get the Fourth Reich.

  • CptOblivius@lemmy.world
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    2 hours ago

    I would like to limit AIPAC’s control of the US please. Out schools, bridges, services need repairs too. I would like my tax dollars to stay here, thank you.

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      58 minutes ago

      Now that conservatives are OK with tariffs, we should impose a massive tariff on Israel, and outright prohibit their political donations. IRS audit every congressperson annually.

  • BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today
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    2 hours ago

    The MAGA comedy act of Schmuck & Jeffries has been onstage long enough, and they were never funny in the first place. Time to give them the hook, and drag them off-stage.

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    5 hours ago

    For Schumer, definitely. For Jeffries, probably. Jeffries has only been leader since 2024. Before that it was Pelosi we have to ‘thank’.

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      3 hours ago

      Talarico was also Schumers pick.

      At the Wildflower retreat, James Talarico, a youthful-looking state legislator in Texas, had delivered a five-minute speech for the assembled crowd on the importance of storytelling in campaigns. Mr. Schumer was smitten. He told at least two attendees afterward that he wanted to get Mr. Talarico to run for the Senate.

      Horrible NYT link

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        That’s nice, he also HATES Progressives more that MAGAs. He kneecapped Angi Nixon’s senate campaign, or she could have been another flip.

        And we should never forget that he destroyed Al Franken’s career:

        The Case of Al Franken

      • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        3 hours ago

        Oh fuck, well in that case he should be Senate Majority Leader for the rest of his life. Good point.

  • MalReynolds@piefed.social
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    7 hours ago

    You know who protects against fascism? People, educated people like democracy needs, the 1% will always promote fascism.

  • Hikermick@lemmy.world
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    3 hours ago

    The “both sides” crowd that doesn’t show up to vote and enables the fascists blames the people they couldn’t be bothered to vote for

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      44 minutes ago

      When we listened to pro-corporate centrists, they voted Republican instead.

      When we listened to the left, we had a fantastic midterm.

      So yeah it was both sides. The corporate centrists are ass and nobody actually wants them. We see exactly how to keep winning. So if the DNC decides to fuck around as usual in two years, I hope you realize that it’s on purpose. This is me campaigning to you right now, so you can’t say we waited until election season.

      Democrats can represent us for a bit longer until we get ranked choice voting. And if they don’t support it, then you’ll know it’s because they’re for sale. It’s as obvious to them as it is to you.

  • ol_capt_joe@piefed.social
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    11 hours ago

    Remember this?

    They could have chucked those things across the room, wiped their feet on them, sat on them, but they chose to sit obediently and allow themselves to be photographed with them.

    These are not the men for the job.

    • BurntWits@sh.itjust.works
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      2 hours ago

      Side note, one of my favourite movies. My wife and I were trying to decide what to watch just before Halloween (other than the usual Halloween movies) and narrowed it down to Kill Bill or the first two Mummy movies. We decided on the latter but now I want to rewatch Kill Bill again.