I know a few people like this. They see everything through a political lens. It’s exhausting.
Sorry your dad has no chill. Mine was much the same way. Maybe call it to his attention in a funny way. “You know dad, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.”
He doesn’t like people because they aren’t conservative and he’s projecting that same feeling onto others and treats them as he thinks they would treat him. With hostility.
The catch here is that I don’t like people who try to destroy my friends’ lives. Since the conservative platform is to destroy many of my friends’ lives, I don’t like people who follow the conservative platform. Conservatives like to treat this as bigotry when it actually isn’t. It’s intolerance of intolerance, which is not just acceptable, but necessary.
The claim is that the platform is based on wanting to destroy lives. Are you saying that the “clear” anti-LGBTQ+ stance is such that they are seeking to destroy the lives of those people?
I’ve never once heard anyone on the right declare a desire to destroy anyone’s lives. I’m open to being proven wrong, but that would require a link to such a declaration.
This feels like a bad faith hair-splitting argument. But just in case you’re not being deliberately obtuse, the conservative platform views LGBTQ+ rights, minority voting rights, women’s bodily rights, and many other important matters of human freedom and livelihood as invalid. Just because they don’t explicitly say “our platform is specifically to maliciously destroy the lives of these people”, doesn’t mean the de facto platform is not destructive of those lives.
the conservative platform views LGBTQ+ rights, minority voting rights, women’s bodily rights, and many other important matters of human freedom and livelihood as invalid
Yes, I’m very familiar with this image of conservatives.
The difference is I’m asking you to link to a conservative individual or organization taking this stance.
What you consider “bad faith” is me issuing a challenge that I don’t think you’re going to be able to meet. It’s a rhetorical method where you’re supposed to try and then realize you can’t, and then have the presence of mind to realize that it’s significant that you can’t find this thing you claim exists.
Unless for some reason the only valid rhetorical claim is for there to be a recognized conservative leadership organization explicitly codifying in its charter that trans people should die, you’re wasting my time with your willful ignorance.
Also just like more generally if you take “conservative” to mean “keep things the way they are” and accept the way things are is pretty bad for a lot of people, it becomes difficult to ethically support a conservative stance.
Well it’s clear you get all your information about conservativism from non-conservatives.
When you make up hyperbolic claims to justify why you don’t like X group of people, it’s easy to see right through that to the fact you just don’t like X group of people.
Someone who says “Jews drink blood and that’s why I don’t like them” may seem on the surface that they’re declaring a very natural and healthy dislike of people who drink blood.
But by caricaturing a people with that horrible claim which they know damn well isn’t true, they’re actually justifying their own hatred.
If you vote for a party whose platform is revoking the rights of others, and whose leadership is full of traitors trying to destroy our democracy, you’re a bad person. Full stop.
Also, you should be ashamed for your antisemitic strawman.
Yeah there usually not much you can do but hope for a change. Mine had drinking problems and was much like this. Went sober finally and he still is similar politically just not insufferable and can take a joke so it’s far more pleasant to be around him.
I get where you’re coming from, but it’s possible to have pleasant meaningful conversations without getting into politics. Politics are important, but learning to connect outside of that context is an important life skill, too.
My problem is not that, but those that demand that every interaction must be free of politics because the cannot deign to care about the world or other people.
Like, you can look at everything through the lens of subatomic physics. And you can look through other lenses too. The existence of the other lenses does not imply the lack of existence or even ubiquity of the subatomic realm.
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I know a few people like this. They see everything through a political lens. It’s exhausting.
Sorry your dad has no chill. Mine was much the same way. Maybe call it to his attention in a funny way. “You know dad, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.”
Thanks.
Trust me, we’ve all mentioned it to him. He’s convinced nobody likes him because he’s a conservative.
That’s projection.
He doesn’t like people because they aren’t conservative and he’s projecting that same feeling onto others and treats them as he thinks they would treat him. With hostility.
To be fair he might not like some people because they are black, trans, or little people regardless of if they are conservative or not.
I wonder how many trans conservatives there are, the only one I can think of is Caitlyn Jenner.
Another instance where conservative is synonymous with opportunist.
I can’t find any indication a black, trans little person exists.
The catch here is that I don’t like people who try to destroy my friends’ lives. Since the conservative platform is to destroy many of my friends’ lives, I don’t like people who follow the conservative platform. Conservatives like to treat this as bigotry when it actually isn’t. It’s intolerance of intolerance, which is not just acceptable, but necessary.
I’m sorry what? Can you substantiate what you said about the conservative platform?
The clear anti-LGBTQ+ conservative stance is no secret. Same with the white supremacy and Christian nationalism.
The claim is that the platform is based on wanting to destroy lives. Are you saying that the “clear” anti-LGBTQ+ stance is such that they are seeking to destroy the lives of those people?
I’ve never once heard anyone on the right declare a desire to destroy anyone’s lives. I’m open to being proven wrong, but that would require a link to such a declaration.
This feels like a bad faith hair-splitting argument. But just in case you’re not being deliberately obtuse, the conservative platform views LGBTQ+ rights, minority voting rights, women’s bodily rights, and many other important matters of human freedom and livelihood as invalid. Just because they don’t explicitly say “our platform is specifically to maliciously destroy the lives of these people”, doesn’t mean the de facto platform is not destructive of those lives.
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Yes, I’m very familiar with this image of conservatives.
The difference is I’m asking you to link to a conservative individual or organization taking this stance.
What you consider “bad faith” is me issuing a challenge that I don’t think you’re going to be able to meet. It’s a rhetorical method where you’re supposed to try and then realize you can’t, and then have the presence of mind to realize that it’s significant that you can’t find this thing you claim exists.
Are you fucking kidding me? It took all of two seconds to find a catalog of the conservative scion himself actively stripping LGBTQ+ rights: https://projects.propublica.org/graphics/lgbtq-rights-rollback
Unless for some reason the only valid rhetorical claim is for there to be a recognized conservative leadership organization explicitly codifying in its charter that trans people should die, you’re wasting my time with your willful ignorance.
I mean, just look at literally anything they’ve done in the past few decades.
That probably works well for convincing people who already agree with you.
When someone claims “A” and I say “I’m skeptical of this A”, a rejoinder like “Well A is obvious if you look at things” isn’t very convincing.
Also just like more generally if you take “conservative” to mean “keep things the way they are” and accept the way things are is pretty bad for a lot of people, it becomes difficult to ethically support a conservative stance.
Nobody likes him because he’s an asshole.
The two do tend to go together though.
They do. Ever wonder what happens to a person’s personality when they are ostracized?
Self doubt? Questioning why it might’ve happened?
And for some people that would be true. Conservatism seems to carry some intrinsically hideous notions.
It doesn’t seem to, their entire platform is based on wanting everyone who isn’t a rich white male to suffer.
At this point, if you vote conservative, you’re automatically a bad person.
Well it’s clear you get all your information about conservativism from non-conservatives.
When you make up hyperbolic claims to justify why you don’t like X group of people, it’s easy to see right through that to the fact you just don’t like X group of people.
Someone who says “Jews drink blood and that’s why I don’t like them” may seem on the surface that they’re declaring a very natural and healthy dislike of people who drink blood.
But by caricaturing a people with that horrible claim which they know damn well isn’t true, they’re actually justifying their own hatred.
If you vote for a party whose platform is revoking the rights of others, and whose leadership is full of traitors trying to destroy our democracy, you’re a bad person. Full stop.
Also, you should be ashamed for your antisemitic strawman.
“No dad, it’s because you’re a conservative asshole….”
Boy I’m glad my immediate family isn’t like this. Distant cousins on the other hand? There’s a reason I’m not on Facebook.
That’s the brainwashing speaking.
Yeah there usually not much you can do but hope for a change. Mine had drinking problems and was much like this. Went sober finally and he still is similar politically just not insufferable and can take a joke so it’s far more pleasant to be around him.
Good luck…
So if he were polite and conservative, you’d have no problem?
Yes? I have friends with all sorts of political beliefs.
IMO everything is, in fact, political.
The problem is seeing everything to an irrational and wrong political lens.
I get where you’re coming from, but it’s possible to have pleasant meaningful conversations without getting into politics. Politics are important, but learning to connect outside of that context is an important life skill, too.
My problem is not that, but those that demand that every interaction must be free of politics because the cannot deign to care about the world or other people.
Oh my god dude look up what “lens” means.
Like, you can look at everything through the lens of subatomic physics. And you can look through other lenses too. The existence of the other lenses does not imply the lack of existence or even ubiquity of the subatomic realm.
The “lens” that considers certain people less than human or devoid of rights is not a valid viewpoint, is antisocial and it doesn’t deserve respect.
If everything is political then nothing is political.
you realize that doesn’t magically become true because you state so, right?
That idiom only works with relative terms.
“When everyone is rich, then no one will be”
Not “When everyone is blond, then no one will be”
Son…are you telling me you are gay. I mean…I guess that’s OK, just don’t go spreading that around, or ever mention it again.
Was forced to watch fox news at my grandma’s house last night… I have a suspicion where these geniuses are getting their info
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